THE TIME IS NOW TO GET DANCE RADIO STATION IN NYC

[Hamp]

You still don't get it.

For a dance music oriented venue, this is amazing. Dance acts never sell out the Garden, let alone be involved in an MSG in the first place. Things are moving WAY up and it's a shame that, for your perspective that many hip-hop, rhythmic acts are coming over to our side.

Keep doubting, when we get a dance station above 92 and the first numbers come out, you'll eat what you said

Even if, based on a single act selling out the Garden, ignoring the possibility that the sell out could just be the effect of scalpers who saw the tickets' price points and decided to get in on the action, you are right about the ratings potential being above a 1 share. How do you sell it? Who listens to house music at 11am on a Tuesday, and, more importantly, who wants to advertise to someone who does?

As a lifestyle format I just don't see the potential. At least with hip-hop you can throw in a little R&B and with Rock you can throw in some pop. What do you mix with dance? R&B?

The catalogue of artists is too small and the daytime audience is undesirable.

And this problem has cause every other dance station ever introduced in New York City to fail or become CHR. New Yorkers love the nightlife, they love to go clubbing, and dance music has never gone out of fashion in this City. The format just doesn't work.

You Can't mix R&B with House/Dance music???? Are you Kidding??? I don't know how DJ's Mix records in NYC, but in the "Chi", the DJ's blend R&B and House Music very well. If you have an excellent DJ, you can mix hip-hop, R&B, dance, rock and house in one set and STILL rock the house. BrooklynDon, maybe you need to come to the Chi and see how they roll. For you to even say that these genres cannot be blended obviously means you haven't heard REAL MIXING!!

Oh and yes, people DO listen to House Music at 11 in the morning!!!! If they do it in Chicago (i.e., B-96, even on V-103 and Kiss 103.5), I KNOW they certainly do it in NYC!!! It CAN also be sold to advertisers.

 

[TonySantiago]

Jeffrey,

I'll go as far to say it's because a lot of gays and women like this music. For those that are homophobic (FOR THE RECORD, NOT SAYING THAT ANYONE HERE IS) or misogynistic feeling that those cultures are "weak", it just makes an easy target.

Actually, the gay community isn't quite a monoculture. I'm gay and, as everyone on this board probably gets by now, I can't stand the dance culture!!! I do listen to some dance music on my I-Pod (especially the music of the early '90s), butI really, really can't stand the dance culture! I'm too much of a political person to identify with a culture so consumed with self-indulgence. As a prominent music critic once put it, at least the acid heads of the 1960s were aware of the Vietnam War. Are the dance fanatics, like the people engaged in the Occupy Wall Street protests, aware of the world around them?

Hey MarcR, Tony DIDN'T say ALL gays and ALL women like dance music, first off. He was just expressing that was a large chunk of the audience share. I think he realizes not all gay people are into the dance "scene." Just like everyone else on the planet gays are just as diverse as everyone else around the world. Also, all straights don't loathe dance music either. I don't know where you are from, but living and visting Chicago for many years, dance music (specifically House Music) was AND IS part of the culture, gay AND straight!!!
But isn't it also bad to assume that those who are into dance music AREN'T aware what is going on in the world??? I have been a "Househead" (also into other genres of music as well) since 1987-1988. I LOVE my House Music, BUT I also watch the local news, CNN, MSNBC, read various online newspapers, magazines, etc. I am concerned about the recession, unemployment, civil rights, etc. To say that dance fans as a whole don't have a clue is just ludicrous as well as insulting!!!

Thank you Hamp!

If anything, referring back to MarcR, to stereotype gays just being into dance is wrong. MarcR, you're gay and you HATE dance. There are gays that love jazz, classical, rock, hip-hop, country music, etc. I take particular offense in part to Pride Radio because all they play for the most part is dance and gays are into a variety of music. But then again, it permeates into a stereotype.

I also take offense to this following statement about dance fans.....quoting MarcR from an earlier post.

"The dance culture has, whether fairly or not, been equated with hedonism, narcissism and even solipsism, while Rock music has seemingly dominated during times of social tumult and political activism."

I have been particularly in tune with what is going on with these "Occupy" movements (and they have gone BEYOND Wall Street). I have paid attention to what has been happening in Afghanistan, Iraq and other parts of the world. I could get all political on you if need be and perhaps shrink you to size, but then again this is radio-info and not a political board. Y

es, dance music deals with happiness as well as a "brand" that may not appeal to everyone (being "beautiful", looking good, etc.). But to say every dance fan is like this is wrong. Rock fans can be stereotyped too but I don't stoop to that sort of thinking.

PAY ATTENTION HERE MarcR...THIS IS IMPORTANT:
Music is relative to whoever listens to it.

Just because I may not like a certain sound, doesn't mean that I'm going to knock those folks that are. Rock has its stereotypes. Hip-hop/R&B has their stereotypes. Country music does too. But I'm not going to knock anyone down here. If anything if there is something about a genre of a music that I am wrong about, I would want for someone to educate me and set me straight. I don't know all of the answers but at least I can open my mind to hear all viewpoints.

The ONLY reason why I do get mad on these forums isn't because someone disagrees with me. It's because they come off ignorant and hateful. And I do my best to throw cold water on that.

Thanks again Hamp! Househead since 1985 and was, for awhile, the ONLY person in Upstate NY listening to Chicago House .

 

[Hamp]

Jeffrey,

I'll go as far to say it's because a lot of gays and women like this music. For those that are homophobic (FOR THE RECORD, NOT SAYING THAT ANYONE HERE IS) or misogynistic feeling that those cultures are "weak", it just makes an easy target.

Actually, the gay community isn't quite a monoculture. I'm gay and, as everyone on this board probably gets by now, I can't stand the dance culture!!! I do listen to some dance music on my I-Pod (especially the music of the early '90s), butI really, really can't stand the dance culture! I'm too much of a political person to identify with a culture so consumed with self-indulgence. As a prominent music critic once put it, at least the acid heads of the 1960s were aware of the Vietnam War. Are the dance fanatics, like the people engaged in the Occupy Wall Street protests, aware of the world around them?

Hey MarcR, Tony DIDN'T say ALL gays and ALL women like dance music, first off. He was just expressing that was a large chunk of the audience share. I think he realizes not all gay people are into the dance "scene." Just like everyone else on the planet gays are just as diverse as everyone else around the world. Also, all straights don't loathe dance music either. I don't know where you are from, but living and visting Chicago for many years, dance music (specifically House Music) was AND IS part of the culture, gay AND straight!!!
But isn't it also bad to assume that those who are into dance music AREN'T aware what is going on in the world??? I have been a "Househead" (also into other genres of music as well) since 1987-1988. I LOVE my House Music, BUT I also watch the local news, CNN, MSNBC, read various online newspapers, magazines, etc. I am concerned about the recession, unemployment, civil rights, etc. To say that dance fans as a whole don't have a clue is just ludicrous as well as insulting!!!

Thank you Hamp!

If anything, referring back to MarcR, to stereotype gays just being into dance is wrong. MarcR, you're gay and you HATE dance. There are gays that love jazz, classical, rock, hip-hop, country music, etc. I take particular offense in part to Pride Radio because all they play for the most part is dance and gays are into a variety of music. But then again, it permeates into a stereotype.

I also take offense to this following statement about dance fans.....quoting MarcR from an earlier post.

"The dance culture has, whether fairly or not, been equated with hedonism, narcissism and even solipsism, while Rock music has seemingly dominated during times of social tumult and political activism."

I have been particularly in tune with what is going on with these "Occupy" movements (and they have gone BEYOND Wall Street). I have paid attention to what has been happening in Afghanistan, Iraq and other parts of the world. I could get all political on you if need be and perhaps shrink you to size, but then again this is radio-info and not a political board. Y

es, dance music deals with happiness as well as a "brand" that may not appeal to everyone (being "beautiful", looking good, etc.). But to say every dance fan is like this is wrong. Rock fans can be stereotyped too but I don't stoop to that sort of thinking.

PAY ATTENTION HERE MarcR...THIS IS IMPORTANT:
Music is relative to whoever listens to it.

Just because I may not like a certain sound, doesn't mean that I'm going to knock those folks that are. Rock has its stereotypes. Hip-hop/R&B has their stereotypes. Country music does too. But I'm not going to knock anyone down here. If anything if there is something about a genre of a music that I am wrong about, I would want for someone to educate me and set me straight. I don't know all of the answers but at least I can open my mind to hear all viewpoints.

The ONLY reason why I do get mad on these forums isn't because someone disagrees with me. It's because they come off ignorant and hateful. And I do my best to throw cold water on that.

Thanks again Hamp! Househead since 1985 and was, for awhile, the ONLY person in Upstate NY listening to Chicago House .

no problem.

 

[nd2023]

The dance music culture is now stereotyped as the Jersey Shore cast. Italians living on the Jersey shore wearing too much hair gel pumping their fists to anything with a beat.

I've been to D'Jais in Belmar before the Jersey Shore show aired, and that stereotype wasn't prevalent (then again, Pulse 87 was hosting so their crowd was there). But one thing that does stick out is everybody pumping their fists in unison to Guru Josh Project - Infinity and Carefree - Broken Strings. Fast forward to this past summer with DJ Lil Cee and 92.3 Now hosting at D'Jais in Belmar, and it looks more like what you'd see on the TV show.

That stereotype didn't exist before the show aired, Jersey Shore made people want to imitate those characters. On one hand, I like that people think that people from Jersey like to fist pump. But I hate those characters forming a stereotype that dance music fans and New Jersey residents are all like them. I was in Syracuse 2 weeks ago for the Rutgers/Syracuse football game, and someone came up to my tailgate before the game and said "show us how to fist pump". After the game when Rutgers beat Syracuse, someone said to me "go back to the Jersey shore and get an STD from Snooki". Those comments were funny, but it's sad that those stereotypes are ingrained in people now.

 

[d21ofnj]

Here's one thing I am going to clarify, and it's those who keep mentioning about dance music being for clubs only.  You also hear hip-hop, rock, top 40 in clubs and bars too.  Heck, I had it on Power 105.1 and DJ Envy broke out a new track and said on air that "it is fresh and hot in the clubs."  WRAT, which is a ROCK station has a residency at the Headliner in Neptune, which is also a nightclub.  Jenks, a club in Pt. Pleasant, not only has DJ's but you also see live rock bands perform.  Recently, with Thunder 106 on the rise, you see some venues who do "Country Night," so yes, Country is being played in clubs now!  Should I also mention how many clubs La Mega and X96.3 broadcast from?  So for those who still believe clubs only play dance music, you really need to go out more often. 

 

[Wildstyle K]

they should simulcast "HOT 107.9" out of ATLANTA. Dance isn't the answer, rap is the answer. After eight years of doing nothing, rap is so due to hit in 2012. Dance is so overexposed. Its a mature product, about to enter the decline phase. It just can't get any bigger. A new wave of rap is due to hit, and if I ran the world, I'd leverage my existing competencies to a failing station. The best way to do so is to simulcast a successful urban station and see if it hits. If not, I'd simulcast another of my hundreds of stations and streams. Something will hit. ;D

 

[TonySantiago]

they should simulcast "HOT 107.9" out of ATLANTA. Dance isn't the answer, rap is the answer. After eight years of doing nothing, rap is so due to hit in 2012. Dance is so overexposed. Its a mature product, about to enter the decline phase. It just can't get any bigger. A new wave of rap is due to hit, and if I ran the world, I'd leverage my existing competencies to a failing station. The best way to do so is to simulcast a successful urban station and see if it hits. If not, I'd simulcast another of my hundreds of stations and streams. Something will hit. ;D

Umm.....KDM.....is this you? If not, you'd better keep the person who typed that away from your computer! BTW, from my job I did deal with Hot 107.9 because we had the feeds for "Dish Nation" (a short lived TMZ style show) and we did have Rickey Smiley and the morning crew on there.

 

[TonySantiago]

Here's one thing I am going to clarify, and it's those who keep mentioning about dance music being for clubs only. You also hear hip-hop, rock, top 40 in clubs and bars too. Heck, I had it on Power 105.1 and DJ Envy broke out a new track and said on air that "it is fresh and hot in the clubs." WRAT, which is a ROCK station has a residency at the Headliner in Neptune, which is also a nightclub. Jenks, a club in Pt. Pleasant, not only has DJ's but you also see live rock bands perform. Recently, with Thunder 106 on the rise, you see some venues who do "Country Night," so yes, Country is being played in clubs now! Should I also mention how many clubs La Mega and X96.3 broadcast from? So for those who still believe clubs only play dance music, you really need to go out more often.

Let me bring this over to the New York City side.

Go up and down Bleecker Street in Greenwich Village...or better yet, go pick up a Village Voice and you see TONS of ads from rock clubs promoting venues. If my recollections come through, Marquee (10th Avenue near 26th St) has hip-hop nights. Go to the back room area for that. Jazz clubs, blues clubs...where do we begin! The closest I can find to a country music bar is Rodeo Bar. It may cover the honky-tonk aspect and not serve as a "traditional club" per se but here's their list of venues..

http://www.rodeobar.com/html/calendar.php

BTW, as I was browsing, I found this interesting link

http://licma.org/ - Long Island Country Music Association. Seems somewhat similar to what I do, although at least in Suffolk you do have WJVC. But they do have dances going on and I would think it's at a venue somewhere.

So basically, ALL music has a club affiliation to it Even if the "club" is an opera hall such as the New York Philharmonic at the Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center

 

[Brooklyndon]

You Can't mix R&B with House/Dance music????  Are you Kidding???  I don't know how DJ's Mix records in NYC, but in the "Chi", the DJ's blend R&B and House Music very well.  If you have an excellent DJ, you can mix hip-hop, R&B, dance, rock and house in one set and STILL rock the house.  BrooklynDon, maybe you need to come to the Chi and see how they roll.  For you to even say that these genres cannot be blended obviously means you haven't heard REAL MIXING!!

Oh and yes, people DO listen to House Music at 11 in the morning!!!!  If they do it in Chicago (i.e., B-96, even on V-103 and Kiss 103.5), I KNOW they certainly do it in NYC!!!  It CAN also be sold to advertisers.

Chicago House, from what I understand, is a defunct genre analagous to and synchronous with the era of Latin Freestlye and Italodisco.  And the station that promoted the genre, WBMX, has been off the air for over 20 years.

Furthermore, modern house is irrelevant to what is crossing over right now.  The "pure dance" artists that members of their board seem to champion are all clear decendants of Italodisco, but the "crossover" artists music derives more directly from Electrofunk.  What it all comes down to is that house music is an extension of Italodisco and Italodisco has always been goofy and will always be lame.

 

[TonySantiago]

What it all comes down to is that house music is an extension of Italodisco and Italodisco has always been goofy and will always be lame.

Revised....

PAY ATTENTION HERE MarcR & Brooklyndon...THIS IS IMPORTANT:
Music is relative to whoever listens to it.

I DID live during the days of breakbeats and tracks such as "Planet Rock". I also grew up in the disco era. I may have been too young to go into Studio 54 but the fact that disco was such a strong force at the time, it certainly molded everything else along the way. That's the heritage of dance music.

Sure, Italodisco was a heavy influence in the early days of house music. But the tracks that were generated back then in Chicago are still as powerful to house music lovers today as freestyle is to those that loved the music then and still has a following in NYC albeit nothing new has really caught legs, especially to those of the older generation that knock it.

Kinda like what you're doing here Don. Knocking dance music.

 

[DToTheJ]

...Recently, with Thunder 106 on the rise, you see some venues who do "Country Night," so yes, Country is being played in clubs now!...

Cue MarcB with an obligatory plug for Illusions Danceclub... :

 

[Jeffrey]

I've been listening to Pulse 87 online today. I haven't actually listened to the station online since they signed off of 87.7.
I have to say that since they've been off 87.7 the sound of chr has drastically changed. There are so many similarities to what Pulse is and what stations like 92.3 NOW are now playing.

 

[Barry]

This can't be good news for those pushing for a contemporary dance station in New York-
According to Radio Insight, Party 105 on Long Island has stopped playing current dance songs, and has switched to a "Gold based rhythmic A/C" format. The linked article has a sample of the songs the station is now airing. They are apparently mostly mainstream pop tunes, rather than dance music.
Party was one of the few commercial stations in the country emphasizing contemporary dance music. Apparently they have completely droppedit.

Party 105 Moves In a Different Direction: http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/53922/an-older-party-on-long-island/#.Tp4foZsg_UA

 

[pjc1961]

Party 105 Listen Live links (all 32 K, 22 kHz, Mono):

http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/WPTYFM.pls OR http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/asx/WPTYFM.asx

Website link: http://www.partymusicleader.com and flash player link: http://partymusicleader.com/player2.html

Playlog songs played link: http://websvc.bdsrealtime.com/nbds.consumer.tempo/npgenlog.aspx?uid=ServiceWPTY&stnid=7398&lang=

Pulse 87 NY online Listen Live links:

http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/asx/pulse87.asx 64 K, 22 kHz, Stereo OR

http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/pulse87.pls 64 K, 22 kHz, Stereo

http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/pulse87aac.pls 32 K, 44.1 kHz, Stereo

Website link: http://pulse87ny.com/

and flash player link: http://www.3592.com/onlinedb/pulsfm/docs/steamnormal.htm 32 K, 44.1 kHz, Stereo

and songs played list link: http://pulse87ny.tunegenie.com/

 

[TonySantiago]

This can't be good news for those pushing for a contemporary dance station in New York-
According to Radio Insight, Party 105 on Long Island has stopped playing current dance songs, and has switched to a "Gold based rhythmic A/C" format. The linked article has a sample of the songs the station is now airing. They are apparently mostly mainstream pop tunes, rather than dance music.
Party was one of the few commercial stations in the country emphasizing contemporary dance music. Apparently they have completely droppedit.

Party 105 Moves In a Different Direction: http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/53922/an-older-party-on-long-island/#.Tp4foZsg_UA

I know about this. And in a rare moment out of me regarding this.....no comment. It's not that I don't believe in the dance format, I just have no comment on Party 105.

 

[Hardrocker9]

I'll say this, about 3 months ago Party 105 sounded fantastic, best I've ever heard soo much new dance and a lot of late 90's and early 2K club tracks. I thought they had finally found their ticket in the crowded CHR dial of LI. Couldn't stop listening to them at that time. Then about a month and a half ago I noticed that they seemed to be a carbon copy of 101.7 with some more hip-hop tracks thrown in, which was ok, but the dance was scaled back quite a bit. Now this, I gotta say I didn't see this coming. I can't say i approve especially since they seem to play the same tired dance songs over and over. How about playing some rare songs only known to be played by Party 105 when they came out, like Jennifer McCrae, or Lustra or SM Traxx? I'm not saying I won't listen cause i do still love freestyle but I'm turned off by the 70's music being played so much. Guess its Pulse87ny for new dance music.

 

[radiojomo]

But seriously, dance music is slowly but surely on the rise. You have a lot more CHR stations that have become "dance friendly" over the past year, especially during the summer months.

Absolutely agree! I would say that dance music or rhythmic tempo music is surely on the rise. Just look at the last five songs on KAMP in Los Angeles at the time of this post:

Rihanna - We Found Love (w/ Calvin Harris)
Lil Wayne - How To Love
Alexandra Stan - Mr. Saxobeat
Trey Songz - Bottoms Up (w/ Nicki Minaj)
Cobra Starship - You Make Me Feel... (w/ Sabi)

3/5 of the songs would probably end up being played on a dance station. It's just a matter of replacing the hip-hop product with more straight up dance music or Top 40 remixes. If I was challenging a big wig Top 40 station, I really think that now is the time for dance.

 

[erwin33]

Party 105 Listen Live links (all 32 K, 22 kHz, Mono):

http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/WPTYFM.pls OR http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/asx/WPTYFM.asx

Website link: http://www.partymusicleader.com and flash player link: http://partymusicleader.com/player2.html

Pff, how bad can a stream sound, in mono 32 kbps ???. I thought we living in a broadband internet generation and not in a dailup modem generation..?

 

[TonySantiago]

Now this, I gotta say I didn't see this coming.

In a way I did. This, after the turnout of Beatstock and all of the drama that ensued in the past couple of days prior to that event.

It is what it is......

 

[Barry]

Now this, I gotta say I didn't see this coming.

In a way I did. This, after the turnout of Beatstock and all of the drama that ensued in the past couple of days prior to that event.

It is what it is......

Tony, for those of us not into the dance music scene, can you please explain your comment, and tie it into the demise of contemporary dance on Party 105?