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The VERY EARLY STAGES of BAD NEWS for the DANCE Trend...

I hate to say it, but I think it's now time that I be the first to break this news. I officially believe we have now reached the VERY EARLY stages of seeing the very beginning signs of this dance style trend coming to an end. HOWEVER, whether this is bad news or not cannot yet be detected because one of three things will most likely happen if and when this phase ends.. which I'll get to later on.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, you can see how many r&b, hip hop, and pop artists have jumped on this (electro-pop / dance) sound and how it all, along with the auto-tune, is beginning to sound very much alike. Well, all I can say is that based on past experience, EVERY SINGLE TIME this happened during a musical phase, whatever trend was taking place at the time in music did reach a peak and begin to fall as it all began to sound alike. Unlike most trends in music, his entire trend did have a very slow and unusually long start to it, which was beneficial in many ways, and as more people started jumping on the faster beats, there was a very noticeable difference in style between many of the artists and producers doing it. For example: Black Eyed Peas "My Humps" did not sound like Rihanna's SOS, which did not sound like Missy's "lose control", then Ciara released "get up" which didn't sound like Justin's "Sexy Back"...etc and Nelly Furtado's "man eater" did not sound too much like any of those (although it did share some beat arrangements of "sos" in some ways). Then when we got to Hilary Duff and Fergie and Gwen doing some electro / breaks type stuff, same thing. It all had it's own sound for the most part. NOW, we've recently had a HUGE FLOOD of people suddenly decide to jump on this electro-pop / dance sound, including many r&b and some hip hop artists, who like to take one element someone has successfully used and then it leads to a whole bunch of different songs from various artists with that same similar sound or element in it. It is usually when this starts happening, the very early signs of the death of a phase are on its way of making itself present. Yes, we have a few like Britney, Lady GaGa, Katy Perry, Flo Rida and others overseas who are helping to influence and push a new, similar but different sound and keep a noticeable difference and variety within the trend, but I'm beginning to hear that same house styled beat with the lack of a hi hat and a synthetic rhythmic pattern along with the auto-tune voice on a lot of tracks now, and very soon, this will all begin to sound the same. Watch, give it ten years, and you'll notice how this time period now will all sound alike, similar to how all the "Planet Rock Don't Stop" songs from the 80's with the electronic voices sound to us now. I notice the people today using the breakbeat style of electro-pop are mostly choosing to not all share the same beat and sound, but the house / r&b style side of things just may be the thing to mess it up - IF this does not stop before it's too late.

So with that being said, the extreme early edge of the signs are present, similar to when a weather forecaster begins to predict the early signs of a tropical storm that MAY develop, BUT, this doesn't mean events and circumstances wont change and disrupt this event from taking place.

ALSO: Lets just say the dance style phase does come to an end. Well, you still have to remember that when a phase ends, it always leads or evolves or makes way for something else, and in this case, we have three large possibilites:

1. It leads to the full return of "real" underground dance music back in the mainstream that remains present and sticks around, while another genre tops the charts, so in the end we have real dance mixed with the new pop, like it was done in the 80's and 90's.

2. It evolves into an even newer generation and sound of chart topping dance hits (along with what is still being considered underground today), or a new genre associated with dance, or something we would never imagine happening today.

3. It just dies again and a completely different genre takes over and we must wait for the entire cycle and process to regenerate itself.

So as you can see, the possibility of bad news for this trend is beginning to become evident, but the results may not necessarily be as bad as people would think, based on past experience. Who knows - remember when reggaeton blew up? Who knew that would happen? Imagine if this happened again in a different way - for instance, latin house blows up out of no where and leads into something else! It sure is possible with Pitbull around leaving the doors wide open for people... There are so many possibilities right now that it's almost unimaginable. The odds of dance to seemingly completely die out again are very low because this new style is what the new generation of kids growing up today are seeing as the "new, normal, and futuristic" sound. The only scary thing is seeing how much hip hop has suddenly changed - we went from all these meaningless, dumb lyric songs, to a bunch of creatively done hip hop songs with decent lyrics, and if someone just happens to do the right record at the right time and make that really takes off as a trend, it does leave that (very slight, but existing) possibility of hip hop bouncing back to the top of the charts and pushing pop and dance to the side. Lets just hope that people don't start making dumb dance hits.. And don't get me wrong, the improvement of lyrics in hip hop surely does help out the dance community. The less gangsta and more meaningful hip hop and hip hop influence pop and r&b and all the stuff topping the charts today become, the more meaningful everyone could be and still feel they can make it to radio without worrying. If people see others making quality material as an attempt to make it in the business, what do you think the people looking up to them will start to do?

With that being said, there is no doubt that eventually this trend will end, but when it comes to how it will affect the long run of things, the possibility of bigger and brighter things to come far exceeds the possibilities of the bad news when it comes to the future of dance. As a matter of fact, we have more proof that global warming is taking place than we do about the very early stages of bad news in the dance trend.

O'Neal McKnight ft Ron Browz - "Champagne Red Lights" was the song that inspired me to write this. Take a listen and you will realize how many (house influenced electro-pop) songs are beginning to sound quite alike.
 
I don't think it sounds alike now. September's Cry For You sounds nothing like Lady GaGa's Just Dance, and both sound nothing like Britney's If You Seek Amy. Flo Rida's Right Round samples an old dance song, but sounds nothing like it. Katy Perry's Hot And Cold sounds similar to Right Round. Chris Brown killed his career in music, but Forever was also unique. When people think of our style of dance, they think of Cascada and September. I remember Reggaeton went up the charts suddenly with Daddy Yankee's Oye Mi Canto and Gasolina, but that was it for reggaeton on the CHR charts. Reggaeton is still alive, you'd hear it on the Spanish stations. Dance's biggest hits were Everytime We Touch and Cry For You. The closest to dance that's on the CHR charts now is Lady Gaga - Poker Face, Just Dance, Veronicas - Untouched, and Pussycat Dolls - Jai Ho.
 
I'm talking strictly about the rhythmic r&b dance style, and the r&b (and some hip hop artists) that are jumping on the electro-pop / dance trend and the things that are (and may soon be) topping the rhythmic top 40 charts. Not the artists that are already pop or dance to begin with, or most of the people who dropped hits pre summer 2008. I also revised a more updated and specific version of this post (since this site only allows you to edit and make changes up to a limited amount of time), which can be viewed here: http://freestyleremix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12407&p=46426#p46426

Same thing, but a bit clearer and more specific.

The Pop and dance artists are doing fine. Some of the R&B and a few R&B crossover POP artists are beginning to use that same house style beat with no hi hat and the same trancey sounding element in their r&b/dance styled hits. Maybe I posted this too soon, as many of those songs I'm talking of haven't made it to radio yet, but B96 is playing some of them during their mixshows from time to time. I cannot really give any better description than that without actually playing them, but the types of songs I'm talking about are either out there or on their way. If you take certain sounds from "yeah" by Usher ft Lil Jon and throw them in a song with a "disturbia" type beat then place an r&b/hip hop singer using auto-tune in the track, it's sort of an example of what I'm referring to.

That same empty "light feeling house-like beat" with what seems to be a watered down a bit melody and no ticks or tsst's and an auto-tune on every song can get old quick. This "lack in wholeness" feel to mainstream urban crossover dance styled music as compared to past dance and pop hits from ten years and earlier may most likely kill the urban dance trend, which we don't want happening too soon if we want the entire dance community to benefit and rise up first...
 
Actually, disregard this entire topic for now - still way too early for this, even though I have a strong feeling that next year at this time I'll be wanting to put this topic back into effect. I'm currently listening to the Champagne Red Lights song now and seeing things a bit differently the second time around. Yes, people are continuing to be unique with their rhythmic sounds, yet the auto-tune, certain lyrics, and certain elements are beginning to seemingly almost all sound alike in ways when it comes to the r&b/hip hop dance sound. Busta Rhymes definitely helped out a lot by being part of this song. Probably would've been much better off just being him and a female singer or someone else to do the hook.
 
WNOU is very friendly to those cutting edge electro sounding tracks.... While WNOU Indianapolis seems to avoid playing any actual Pure Dance per say, other then September-Cry for you, and Cascada.. They have all the songs like 3 oh 3, Flo rida, Lady gaga, Brittney, the new Kelly Clarkson-my life would suck is very dancy too, and Hillary Duffs Reach Out that samples Depeche Mode-Personal Jesus,, and of course 75th brazil street-Either version could cross over to CHR... WNOU is an excellent Active Hits station, always on whats hot and new, breaking new hits,,, Rhythmic Leaning,, but doesnt ignore any quality Rock Product either... Another thing im noticing,,, this is for CHR, not Dance, but im seeing the return of more Pop Ballads like Neyos-Mad.... Great R&B Ballad and probably has Dance mixes too,, the new David Archiletta-SPELLING??? and the new Pop ballad by Miley Cirrus.... It seems the return of the true Hit music sound is returning, im seeing stations that used to be all Rhythmic adding these new Ballads,,, Modern Rock, and Electro POP spaced out amoung the Hip Hop.... Check out WSNX in Grand Rapids,,,, Not nearly as rhythmic as it was 2 yrs ago... I expect Channel 95.5 in Detroit will add more NON Rhythmic product too, since not only is DRQ no longer the Play all the Hits station, and 95.5 was the Rhythmic One, and when DRQ was Dance, Channel 95.5,,, then called Q-95.5 was a conservative Adult top 40. Im glad I dont live somewhere with Conservative CHRs like Atlanta,. and most Cumulous stations, or over rhythmic leaning CHRs like WKSC Chicago or Channel 95.5 in Detroit.... CHR is supposed to play all the hits,,, this should include Rock,,, Dance,, and Pure POP and R&B Ballads.
 
With the amount of times I hear Ne-yo's "mad" throughout a day, I would think there would be a dance or bass remix of it somewhere. I've been silently thinking this for some time now, and still I haven't heard or found one (that I really like). I did hear one play during a station mix show, but I wasn't too fond of that version.
 
Ive heard some Bootleg breaks versions on youtube, but they are just done by average people that dont know how to produce and properly blend the beats and lyrics... there are sooo many horrible remixes and cover versions and Mashups on youtube, its unreal.
 
Yes I am aware of some of those dumb things on YouTube. Some of the dumbest things you can find are when people turn up the bass in a song and then call it a bass remix, or like this hard rock song someone threw a dirty south beat (with the lyrics included) over it and called it a bass remix! The beats were even off a lot, too! There used to be people who would put things up like that back when Kazaa was big. I remember when I first started out, I did some dumb remixes of my own, but at least whatever I did was always at least halfway decent, even though I wouldn't dare use any of that stuff today. It's ok to not be "perfect" when you're doing a remix live (throwing another beat over the original song) during a live mix show, but if you're doing it privately and personally to record for later use, it should be as close to perfect as possible. I hear some people on the radio where you can completely tell they created and recorded the remix on their own time to play back during a live mix show, and yet it was horribly done. Then on top of this, they'll play it within their set just about every time they do a mix show. The worst thing of all, is when dj's on the radio don't know how to mix right according to bpm. They'll play a set like "i'm in miami" by LMFAO, followed by "get up" by Ciara, then try to throw in the regular version of "Just dance" by Lady GaGa, then play "closer" by neyo or something after "right now (na na na)". I hate when people do this. That deserves a a new topic subject post of it's own, in another portion of this forum.
 
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