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Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

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AllForADeuce

Guest
I am a non-radio employee that is into terrestrial radio and enjoy peering into some inside information as well as station news otherwise not covered by local newspapers, so I apologize to all the radio employees/insiders that know this info already...

That aside, I heard about the tsumani Hot97 incident through listening to Opie & Anthony on my XM radio. They were interested since their names were dragged into it since former Hot97 producer Rick Delgado worked for O&A during the Sex for Sam tirade. They followed the story talking how all the wrong people were getting thrown under the bus. Todd aired his side as well as cleared some misconceptions O&A had about the incident.

According to Todd (and I am quoting as well as I can):
Todd was hired to be the antagonist, edgy, hated and push the envelope. Delgado was hired because he performed over the top. All stations have a Program dir., Music dir and GM that knows what goes on inside the station. The GM told Todd that Rick was hired for his over-the-top attitude and as long as he didn't break any FCC rules, it was all good..that no one was getting fired for the song. Todd said that management told him that the Michael Jackson trial will start soon and superceed this in the press, it will blow over. What they didn't expect was all the Asian groups. They lost upwards of 4 million dollars in advertising revenue and that is when Todd saw the end and the corporate wagons circled around.

The media focused on his comment about shooting Asians. Todd said they failed to metion that his "shooting ________ (insert race here)" comments were a tag line he used CONSTANTLY on the show. It was a tag line he came up with to play with the on-air perception that the crew all didn't get along. A "gag quote" as he put it. He talked about how with his race and size, he gets racism imposed on him all the time. He admits that he oblivious to racism against others because he focused on the racism he goes through personally.

As he put it, he made 100K a year, but they were still forced to push for numbers. ONE spot typically sold for 100K but number get that advert revenue size. So when the millions of revenue being lost by the station was put up against his salary, it was no contest. they were being bombarded by several organizations and management changed thier tune...they were caught with their pants down.

On station personalities, he was fired becasue he was labelled responsible, yet people just as responsible as him still work for the station. (i.e. the MD has his own shift). Regarding Miss Jones, she was not on the song because she was finishing maternity leave at the time the song was recorded. Todd said Miss Jones questioned the song asking "should we paly this", but Delgado said it was approved by upper management. Jones said if it approved, then she'll go with it. He said that Miss Jones apology came across odd because she felt like she was also apologizing for Miss Info. Regarding Miss Info, Todd claims that they were building a "firing portfolio" against Miss Info and that Miss Info was going to be let go in "a week". Todd said Miss Info had issues with Miss Jones and it was known by management. Miss Info was on the firing block and was always saying things behind the scene. Miss Ibfo knew of her demise and played "the race card" and played it well.

After the song aired, the GM told him that the song was sick, but that is what they needed to move the needle, empassion people and gain listeners. That is when Todd questioned about Delgado and was told as long as FCC rules were not broken, it was ok. Todd said that the PD came in and gave them the thumbs up after the airing. Todd offered to apologize and resign his post because he didn't want to screw the things up he had going on outside the station, but upper management wanted to shift responsibility to people who acted in part and protect their own jobs. The other people on the song were little guys in the game and that when your boss tells you to play ok'd material, you play it no questions asked.

In the aftermath, Todd has the same lawyer as Miss Info and was told the lawyer cleared 70K on her lawsuit. So Todd estimates that at a 10% fee, Miss Info received upwards of 750K and still has her weekend shift. Todd commented that she "played the race card and played it well". Meanwhile, Todd has suffered a lot of work loss, especially in voiceover work. On top of that, hiphopmusic.com (which Todd credits with bringing Entercom down to its knees) put his personal information on the website (name, home address, etc.). Jim Norton said he saw Todd recently and he was still on stage apologizing.

O&A threw in that during the Sex for Sam bit, that it had FULL approval by management. Not only was it approved, but they had sponsorship through Sam Adams Brewery. They had a meeting with mel karmazin (sp.) and was told that as DJs they were to push the envelope as hard as they could and never to worry about backlash because there was a system in place to protect the staff in case of fallout.

What they should have said was to protect management in case of fall out.

I don't perceive that I am the only avid radio listener who is a purveyor of this site. Just figured it would be a nice little tid bit to us who are out there that stations try to play the theater of mind games on. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by AllForADeuce on 07/14/05 08:14 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> I am a non-radio employee that is into terrestrial radio and
> enjoy peering into some inside information as well as
> station news otherwise not covered by local newspapers, so I
> apologize to all the radio employees/insiders that know this
> info already...
>
> That aside, I heard about the tsumani Hot97 incident through
> listening to Opie & Anthony on my XM radio. They were
> interested since their names were dragged into it since
> former Hot97 producer Rick Delgado worked for O&A during the
> Sex for Sam tirade. They followed the story talking how all
> the wrong people were getting thrown under the bus. Todd
> aired his side as well as cleared some misconceptions O&A
> had about the incident.
>
> According to Todd (and I am quoting as well as I can):
> Todd was hired to be the antagonist, edgy, hated and push
> the envelope. Delgado was hired because he performed over
> the top. All stations have a Program dir., Music dir and GM
> that knows what goes on inside the station. The GM told
> Todd that Rick was hired for his over-the-top attitude and
> as long as he didn't break any FCC rules, it was all
> good..that no one was getting fired for the song. Todd said
> that management told him that the Michael Jackson trial will
> start soon and superceed this in the press, it will blow
> over. What they didn't expect was all the Asian groups.
> They lost upwards of 4 million dollars in advertising
> revenue and that is when Todd saw the end and the corporate
> wagons circled around.
>
> The media focused on his comment about shooting Asians.
> Todd said they failed to metion that his "shooting ________
> (insert race here)" comments were a tag line he used
> CONSTANTLY on the show. It was a tag line he came up with
> to play with the on-air perception that the crew all didn't
> get along. A "gag quote" as he put it. He talked about how
> with his race and size, he gets racism imposed on him all
> the time. He admits that he oblivious to racism against
> others because he focused on the racism he goes through
> personally.
>
> As he put it, he made 100K a year, but they were still
> forced to push for numbers. ONE spot typically sold for 100K
> but number get that advert revenue size. So when the
> millions of revenue being lost by the station was put up
> against his salary, it was no contest. they were being
> bombarded by several organizations and management changed
> thier tune...they were caught with their pants down.
>
> On station personalities, he was fired becasue he was
> labelled responsible, yet people just as responsible as him
> still work for the station. (i.e. the MD has his own
> shift). Regarding Miss Jones, she was not on the song
> because she was finishing maternity leave at the time the
> song was recorded. Todd said Miss Jones questioned the song
> asking "should we paly this", but Delgado said it was
> approved by upper management. Jones said if it approved,
> then she'll go with it. He said that Miss Jones apology
> came across odd because she felt like she was also
> apologizing for Miss Info. Regarding Miss Info, Todd claims
> that they were building a "firing portfolio" against Miss
> Info and that Miss Info was going to be let go in "a week".
> Todd said Miss Info had issues with Miss Jones and it was
> known by management. Miss Info was on the firing block and
> was always saying things behind the scene. Miss Ibfo knew
> of her demise and played "the race card" and played it well.
>
>
> After the song aired, the GM told him that the song was
> sick, but that is what they needed to move the needle,
> empassion people and gain listeners. That is when Todd
> questioned about Delgado and was told as long as FCC rules
> were not broken, it was ok. Todd said that the PD came in
> and gave them the thumbs up after the airing. Todd offered
> to apologize and resign his post because he didn't want to
> screw the things up he had going on outside the station, but
> upper management wanted to shift responsibility to people
> who acted in part and protect their own jobs. The other
> people on the song were little guys in the game and that
> when your boss tells you to play ok'd material, you play it
> no questions asked.
>
> In the aftermath, Todd has the same lawyer as Miss Info and
> was told the lawyer cleared 70K on her lawsuit. So Todd
> estimates that at a 10% fee, Miss Info received upwards of
> 750K and still has her weekend shift. Todd commented that
> she "played the race card and played it well". Meanwhile,
> Todd has suffered a lot of work loss, especially in
> voiceover work. On top of that, hiphopmusic.com (which Todd
> credits with bringing Entercom down to its knees) put his
> personal information on the website (name, home address,
> etc.). Jim Norton said he saw Todd recently and he was still
> on stage apologizing.
>
> O&A threw in that during the Sex for Sam bit, that it had
> FULL approval by management. Not only was it approved, but
> they had sponsorship through Sam Adams Brewery. They had a
> meeting with mel karmazin (sp.) and was told that as DJs
> they were to push the envelope as hard as they could and
> never to worry about backlash because there was a system in
> place to protect the staff in case of fallout.
>
> What they should have said was to protect management in case
> of fall out.
>
> I don't perceive that I am the only avid radio listener who
> is a purveyor of this site. Just figured it would be a nice
> little tid bit to us who are out there that stations try to
> play the theater of mind games on.
>
These revelations from O and A are months late and neither topical or even interesting at this point. My guess is that this interview had more to do with screwing Rick Delgado than exploring the hot story that was Tsunami song. I dont blame them for wanting to Screw Delgado given the fact that after they were off air he apparantly went to Phillly with Preston and steve and essentially recreated the O and A show as preston and steve's producer.
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> These revelations from O and A are months late and neither
> topical or even interesting at this point. My guess is that
> this interview had more to do with screwing Rick Delgado
> than exploring the hot story that was Tsunami song. I dont
> blame them for wanting to Screw Delgado given the fact that
> after they were off air he apparantly went to Phillly with
> Preston and steve and essentially recreated the O and A show
> as preston and steve's producer.
>

It never came across as a "screw Rick" situation. Todd was just telling his point of view. O&A trashed Miss Jones and the song, they talked about it because their name was being dragged into it. From the beginning they said that Rick did this, keep them out of it, it has NOTHING to do with O&A. Jim Norton personally invited Todd on-air. Jim said he had seen Todd's act and saw he was STILL apologizing on-stage.

This was about the Tsunami song and the aftermath.

On top of that, I have listened to O&A almost since they joined XM and they have never (to my recollection) brought up Preston & Steve. In the beginning, I listened to the original air and all the replays for a number of months...I do not remember any mention of them.

Delgado is now out in San Fran
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by AllForADeuce on 07/14/05 10:36 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

This is directly more at Todd Lynn and not at the original poster of this thread.

No one cares about this anymore Todd Lynn. This is so yesterday. People are focusing on London right now.
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> > These revelations from O and A are months late and neither
>
> > topical or even interesting at this point. My guess is
> that
> > this interview had more to do with screwing Rick Delgado
> > than exploring the hot story that was Tsunami song. I dont
>
> > blame them for wanting to Screw Delgado given the fact
> that
> > after they were off air he apparantly went to Phillly with
>
> > Preston and steve and essentially recreated the O and A
> show
> > as preston and steve's producer.
> >
>
> It never came across as a "screw Rick" situation. Todd was
> just telling his point of view. O&A trashed Miss Jones and
> the song, they talked about it because their name was being
> dragged into it. From the beginning they said that Rick did
> this, keep them out of it, it has NOTHING to do with O&A.
> Jim Norton personally invited Todd on-air. Jim said he had
> seen Todd's act and saw he was STILL apologizing on-stage.
>
>
> This was about the Tsunami song and the aftermath.
>
> On top of that, I have listened to O&A almost since they
> joined XM and they have never (to my recollection) brought
> up Preston & Steve. In the beginning, I listened to the
> original air and all the replays for a number of months...I
> do not remember any mention of them.
>
> Delgado is now out in San Fran
>
Right "Rick did this blah blah blah" dont be fooled, o and a never hate to see their names dragged into anything especially now that they have gone to Xm and essentially dropped off of everyone's radar. Be a fan but dont be a dumb fan, their fans tend to swallow everything they say word for word. There is no such thing as bad press you've heard that expression? well it's true... especially in their case because that is the only kind that they get, it is the nature of being shcoking. So dont be fooled by the "leave our names out of it" rap. They light up whenever their names are in it whatever it is, especially now that they're so out of it by being on XM.
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> These revelations from O and A are months late and neither
> topical or even interesting at this point. My guess is that
> this interview had more to do with screwing Rick Delgado
> than exploring the hot story that was Tsunami song. I dont
> blame them for wanting to Screw Delgado given the fact that
> after they were off air he apparantly went to Phillly with
> Preston and steve and essentially recreated the O and A show
> as preston and steve's producer.
>

There are so many things wrong with this statement I don't even know where to begin.

You do realize, up until August 2004, that the only Delgado getting screwed was Rick's sister, by Opie.

There has NEVER EVER EVER been bad blood between the O&A show that's been heard on-air concerning Rick.

Rick did NOT have the long-term contract that O&A had. In fact, Rick, Stinky, and Ben Sparks were all fired from Infinity about 6-10 months after Sex For Sam III and had to find other work because there was no money coming in.

Rick went to produce Preston and Steve, Stinky and Ben went to work at Sirius.

Did you hear the interview? No. It was great radio, and had very little to do with trying to "screw Rick".

I really think you should keep your opinions to yourself if they are as uninformed as the above statement considering that you didn't hear the show.
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> Right "Rick did this blah blah blah" dont be fooled, o and a
> never hate to see their names dragged into anything
> especially now that they have gone to Xm and essentially
> dropped off of everyone's radar. Be a fan but dont be a dumb
> fan, their fans tend to swallow everything they say word
> for word. There is no such thing as bad press you've heard
> that expression? well it's true... especially in their case
> because that is the only kind that they get, it is the
> nature of being shcoking. So dont be fooled by the "leave
> our names out of it" rap. They light up whenever their names
> are in it whatever it is, especially now that they're so out
> of it by being on XM.
>

One question for you.

Considering XM's growth in the last year... and the projected growth for XM in the coming year... Can you truly and willfully admit that O&A are "out of it" and "off the radar"?
 
Maybe if XM advertised them...

> One question for you.
>
> Considering XM's growth in the last year... and the
> projected growth for XM in the coming year... Can you truly
> and willfully admit that O&A are "out of it" and "off the
> radar"?

Maybe if XM advertised them a bit they wouldn't be "off the radar" as much as they are. Many people outside this business who used to listen on 102.7 still don't know they're back. If they're XM's weapon against Stern they better ramp up the marketing quick.
 
"Dillon!"

> There has NEVER EVER EVER been bad blood between the O&A
> show that's been heard on-air concerning Rick.

Rick was blamed for "stealing" the sound FX and other clips, which is why on Oct. 4th the only clip they had was "Dillon!" Granted they should have had more ready before then, but that's who got the blame.
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> > These revelations from O and A are months late and neither
>
> > topical or even interesting at this point. My guess is
> that
> > this interview had more to do with screwing Rick Delgado
> > than exploring the hot story that was Tsunami song. I dont
>
> > blame them for wanting to Screw Delgado given the fact
> that
> > after they were off air he apparantly went to Phillly with
>
> > Preston and steve and essentially recreated the O and A
> show
> > as preston and steve's producer.
> >
>
> There are so many things wrong with this statement I don't
> even know where to begin.
>
> You do realize, up until August 2004, that the only Delgado
> getting screwed was Rick's sister, by Opie.
>
> There has NEVER EVER EVER been bad blood between the O&A
> show that's been heard on-air concerning Rick.
>
> Rick did NOT have the long-term contract that O&A had. In
> fact, Rick, Stinky, and Ben Sparks were all fired from
> Infinity about 6-10 months after Sex For Sam III and had to
> find other work because there was no money coming in.
>
> Rick went to produce Preston and Steve, Stinky and Ben went
> to work at Sirius.
>
> Did you hear the interview? No. It was great radio, and
> had very little to do with trying to "screw Rick".
>
> I really think you should keep your opinions to yourself if
> they are as uninformed as the above statement considering
> that you didn't hear the show.
>
Starscream I appreciate your obvious passion but you dont know what YOU are talking about. Yes I know that Rick is Opie's squeeze's brother, yes I also know that they have not made any on air anti Rick tirades, I do however know that they hate Rick for what he did when he went to Philly,by stealing many of the O and a show bits, I dont mean the ideas I mean the actual recorded bits etc..... that is not up for debate, it is fact. In fact I know more than you know, becuase I know all involved.

So you may disagree with whhatever you like, but let's not call statements mis-informed just becasue they do not gel with your persoanl understanding of things, trust me, I may be a lot of things but mis informed is never one.
 
Xm's growth, ok

> > Right "Rick did this blah blah blah" dont be fooled, o and
> a
> > never hate to see their names dragged into anything
> > especially now that they have gone to Xm and essentially
> > dropped off of everyone's radar. Be a fan but dont be a
> dumb
> > fan, their fans tend to swallow everything they say word
> > for word. There is no such thing as bad press you've heard
>
> > that expression? well it's true... especially in their
> case
> > because that is the only kind that they get, it is the
> > nature of being shcoking. So dont be fooled by the "leave
> > our names out of it" rap. They light up whenever their
> names
> > are in it whatever it is, especially now that they're so
> out
> > of it by being on XM.
> >
>
> One question for you.
>
> Considering XM's growth in the last year... and the
> projected growth for XM in the coming year... Can you truly
> and willfully admit that O&A are "out of it" and "off the
> radar"?
>
SLOOOOOWWW DOWN!.

Are you really trying to credit O and A for XM's recent subscriber growth?. Let's examine some stuff:

A) They are really good no doubt, but the only place you see O and A ads is literally in toilets/rest rooms of NYC bars, I have seen them all around the city, in toilets, in bars.

B) Xm's entire TV campaign revolves around major league baseball, "our national pass time" and is heavily aired in major markets. The spots make no mention of O and A, just baseball and 100% commercial free music

C) Their cume in NYC is apparantly less than their cume was when they were on WNEW, meaning as of a few months ago their cume in NYC was in the neighborhood of 600,000, which for NYC is really nothing, and that would be the one place that one would figure that it would be highest.

In other words, yeah they're good but liek Smoke said they're not advertising them, their names are not top of mind in the media anymore except for when something like the tseunami song happens an dthen their name gets "dragged" into it, and you really think they are against that?. yeah it's safe to say that tthey are pretty much off the radar, whenever you hear talk about sat radio it's always Howard's move to Sirius, you know that. Hey im a fan of O and A too but I also live in the real world.
 
Re: "Dillon!"

> > There has NEVER EVER EVER been bad blood between the O&A
> > show that's been heard on-air concerning Rick.
>
> Rick was blamed for "stealing" the sound FX and other clips,
> which is why on Oct. 4th the only clip they had was
> "Dillon!" Granted they should have had more ready before
> then, but that's who got the blame.
>

Oh come on, don't you think that was just a bit for the show? O&A had 3 months of prep they could have done for the show, from the XM signing to start of the show. You're telling me that Ben and Erik and Steve did NOTHING in those three months trying to get all the bits back together? I mean, there's only a huge archive of them on Foundry and OAVirus - and they've been there FOREVER.

Rick was a scapegoat, but that was three months before the Tsunami thing, and it was perhaps an explanation for listeners "not in the know" why Rick wasn't back with the show.
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> >
> Starscream I appreciate your obvious passion but you dont
> know what YOU are talking about. Yes I know that Rick is
> Opie's squeeze's brother, yes I also know that they have not
> made any on air anti Rick tirades, I do however know that
> they hate Rick for what he did when he went to Philly,by
> stealing many of the O and a show bits, I dont mean the
> ideas I mean the actual recorded bits etc..... that is not
> up for debate, it is fact. In fact I know more than you
> know, becuase I know all involved.

"Stealing" the bits? They're all on Foundry and OAVirus! One of the reasons Erik was hired in the first place was his meticulous archiving of O&A show material.

And BTW, it's "ex-squeeze". So much for you being in the know.

> So you may disagree with whhatever you like, but let's not
> call statements mis-informed just becasue they do not gel
> with your persoanl understanding of things, trust me, I may
> be a lot of things but mis informed is never one.

You still didn't listen to the interview, judging from your posts, which makes your entire opinion on this matter pointless.
 
Re: Xm's growth, ok

> > One question for you.
> >
> > Considering XM's growth in the last year... and the
> > projected growth for XM in the coming year... Can you
> truly
> > and willfully admit that O&A are "out of it" and "off the
> > radar"?
> >
> SLOOOOOWWW DOWN!.
>
> Are you really trying to credit O and A for XM's recent
> subscriber growth?.

No no. Not at all. However, I will say this. A lot of older, little known movies are gaining a lot more popularity and notoreity because of their replay value on DVDs.

One shining example is the first Austin Powers. It didn't do so great in the theatre on its first run, but it's popularity on DVD is what led to two more huge sequels.

Another example would be Family Guy.

I know it's not a TRUE parallel, but you can use the huge jumps in numbers in XM's sub base of POTENTIAL people tuning into O&A and, as it were, "spread the virus". People say that O&A are out of it because they are on satellite - it's not like they were sent to a city with 40,000 people and nobody can hear them. It's kind of like they are broadcasting in a market whose audience population is continually growing.

>
> A) They are really good no doubt, but the only place you see
> O and A ads is literally in toilets/rest rooms of NYC bars,
> I have seen them all around the city, in toilets, in bars.

Well, to be honest? At least it's better than the promotion that WNEW was giving them. I mean, it's not great by a long shot, but it's a start.

> B) Xm's entire TV campaign revolves around major league
> baseball, "our national pass time" and is heavily aired in
> major markets. The spots make no mention of O and A, just
> baseball and 100% commercial free music

However, I will point out here that all of the baseball channels are up in the high-100's (170's, 180's), so if Opie's lament that being on 202 is keeping them "hidden" from the rest of the platform, it's akin them being "hidden" in a great neighborhood.

> it's safe to say that tthey are pretty much off the radar,
> whenever you hear talk about sat radio it's always Howard's
> move to Sirius, you know that.

OK, but here's a stupid question - why haven't Sirius' sub numbers popped as much as XM's on the same growth curve? Even AFTER the price hike, XM had a spike.

If Sirius doesn't have a spike in numbers when they report quarterlies after Q1 2006, they are in BIG trouble.
 
Re: "Dillon!"

> Oh come on, don't you think that was just a bit for the
> show? O&A had 3 months of prep they could have done for the
> show, from the XM signing to start of the show. You're
> telling me that Ben and Erik and Steve did NOTHING in those
> three months trying to get all the bits back together? I
> mean, there's only a huge archive of them on Foundry and
> OAVirus - and they've been there FOREVER.
>
> Rick was a scapegoat, but that was three months before the
> Tsunami thing, and it was perhaps an explanation for
> listeners "not in the know" why Rick wasn't back with the
> show.

There's a huge quality difference between 24kbps MP3s online and the carts themselves that Rick has/had.
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> "Stealing" the bits? They're all on Foundry and OAVirus!
> One of the reasons Erik was hired in the first place was his
> meticulous archiving of O&A show material.
>
> And BTW, it's "ex-squeeze". So much for you being in the
> know.

Erik didn't archive a damn thing, hell, Opie has the DATS from WNEW and Erik cockblocked their Internet release. Again, the stuff on FM and OAvirus is of low quality.
 
Re: Xm's growth, ok

> > > One question for you.
> > >
> > > Considering XM's growth in the last year... and the
> > > projected growth for XM in the coming year... Can you
> > truly
> > > and willfully admit that O&A are "out of it" and "off
> the
> > > radar"?
> > >
> > SLOOOOOWWW DOWN!.
> >
> > Are you really trying to credit O and A for XM's recent
> > subscriber growth?.
>
> No no. Not at all. However, I will say this. A lot of
> older, little known movies are gaining a lot more popularity
> and notoreity because of their replay value on DVDs.

Of course that is what you were saying, read your above sentence, you said that given their growth last year and their projected 06 growth that O and A were not out of it or off the radar, you gave them credit for the growth entirely, and that is just incorrect.
>
> One shining example is the first Austin Powers. It didn't
> do so great in the theatre on its first run, but it's
> popularity on DVD is what led to two more huge sequels.
>
> Another example would be Family Guy.
>
> I know it's not a TRUE parallel, but you can use the huge
> jumps in numbers in XM's sub base of POTENTIAL people tuning
> into O&A and, as it were, "spread the virus". People say
> that O&A are out of it because they are on satellite - it's
> not like they were sent to a city with 40,000 people and
> nobody can hear them. It's kind of like they are
> broadcasting in a market whose audience population is
> continually growing.

That analogy is not only false it is completely unrealted, sorry.
>
> >
> > A) They are really good no doubt, but the only place you
> see
> > O and A ads is literally in toilets/rest rooms of NYC
> bars,
> > I have seen them all around the city, in toilets, in bars.
>
>
> Well, to be honest? At least it's better than the promotion
> that WNEW was giving them. I mean, it's not great by a long
> shot, but it's a start.

THE WHOLE STATION (WNEW) had no promotion, it wasnt as if they were singled out and not promoted, that's crap. When they went into syndication they were promoted heavily so be serious.
>
> > B) Xm's entire TV campaign revolves around major league
> > baseball, "our national pass time" and is heavily aired in
>
> > major markets. The spots make no mention of O and A, just
> > baseball and 100% commercial free music
>
> However, I will point out here that all of the baseball
> channels are up in the high-100's (170's, 180's), so if
> Opie's lament that being on 202 is keeping them "hidden"
> from the rest of the platform, it's akin them being "hidden"
> in a great neighborhood.

That's BS, anyone who has Xm knows that they're there, their placement on the Xm dial is no excuse. The problem was that for the first year there was an additional charge for the show and many people that I know who had Xm and were even fans objected to the idea of paying an extra charge just to hear them, and obviously they did not have enough growth as you want to think they did, if they had, XM would still be charging for the show and not giving it away to subscribers when they could not get enough people to pay extra for it. That is pretty obvious.
>
> > it's safe to say that tthey are pretty much off the radar,
>
> > whenever you hear talk about sat radio it's always
> Howard's
> > move to Sirius, you know that.
>
> OK, but here's a stupid question - why haven't Sirius' sub
> numbers popped as much as XM's on the same growth curve?
> Even AFTER the price hike, XM had a spike.
>
> If Sirius doesn't have a spike in numbers when they report
> quarterlies after Q1 2006, they are in BIG trouble.

Well it IS a stupid question, and believe what you will but I have just proven that the Xm subscriber numbers are not soley due to O and A. why hasn't sirius caught them yet? I dont know other than the fact that XM had almost a year head start to sirius, XM was launching their second Sattelite when Sirius was launching their first, XM's promotion has been better and more abundant. You have been seeing Xm tv commercials for a few years and consistently, from the snoop dog and Bowie spots to the baseball spots today, they also saturated the terrestrial airwaves with commercials for their service as far back as four years ago, sirius has been much less aggressive and much less effective in their advertising, I will give you that for sure. Of course their 06 growth will boom, Howard is going there in 06 and many people are just waiting for him to go before signing up, you will see in the holiday season what they do, it's still free now so why would you pay for it until you have to?. Trust me Im not bad mouthing XM I have stock in both Xm and Sirius.
 
Re: "Dillon!"

>
> There's a huge quality difference between 24kbps MP3s online
> and the carts themselves that Rick has/had.
>

"Carts"? There were no carts. All of the drops were in an Instant Replay. I know this for a fact because I've seen Ant use it when they were at WNEW, and I know Ant uses a similar device at XM because he's commented on-air "Where's my templates?"

So you're telling me that Steve, Ben, and Erik couldn't go out and rent "American Psycho" to get "Don't Just Stare at It, Eat It", or any of the caddyshack drops? Godfather? Kindergarten Cop? Come on. All of these were staples.

Granted a lot of the drops they had were from the WNEW days (OK terrific, Sandy Kane, etc) but I always thought when they didn't use it was more of a legal thing with infinity rather than "Rick Stole the bits"

And another thing - Martini Steve was the only person who was related to the O&A show that survived the entire fiasco. He was WNEW's production director up until last year.

You mean to tell me that with all the tape/audio that Steve had access to, Rick made out with the ONLY high-quality copies of material that were available? Hell, all Steve had to do was dump audio from the vault or whatever onto DVD before he left WNEW.


For the most part, O&A's commentary towards Rick has been akin to "F'n Rick" when talking about how over the top he goes. They never pulled a "hoo hoo he's ripping us off" when talking about Preston and Steve and/or Hot 97.
 
Re: Xm's growth, ok

> > > > Considering XM's growth in the last year... and the
> > > > projected growth for XM in the coming year... Can you
> > > truly
> > > > and willfully admit that O&A are "out of it" and "off
>
> Of course that is what you were saying, read your above
> sentence, you said that given their growth last year and
> their projected 06 growth that O and A were not out of it or
> off the radar, you gave them credit for the growth entirely,
> and that is just incorrect.

Re-read my sentence again. I'm NOT giving O&A credit for XM's growth. I'm saying that someone is comparing where O&A is to Siberia, where in reality, the potential audience for new O&A listeners is growing exponentially. Not actual listeners - the POTENTIAL AUDIENCE. That to me doesn't say "out of it".

If O&A were stuck in Market 214 with 40,000, that to me is "out of it" and "off the radar". They're on a national platform, streamed worldwide, with a TOTAL subscriber base that's growing by the day. That's the point I'm trying to make.

XM's sub base right now is comparable to Market #7. By the end of the year, it'll be bigger than Market #6.

My defense was for XM on a whole, and where O&A are.
 
Re: Todd formerly of Hot97 & Tsunami song fame appeared on Opie & Anthony's XM show today

> > "Stealing" the bits? They're all on Foundry and OAVirus!
>
> > One of the reasons Erik was hired in the first place was
> his
> > meticulous archiving of O&A show material.
> >
> > And BTW, it's "ex-squeeze". So much for you being in the
> > know.
>
> Erik didn't archive a damn thing, hell, Opie has the DATS
> from WNEW and Erik cockblocked their Internet release.
> Again, the stuff on FM and OAvirus is of low quality.
>

Considering the guy who runs FM is Steve, and he deals with a massive amount of traffic every month, don't you think that perhaps the reason why the stuff that's available online is compressed to save bandwidth costs, and the high-quality versions are archived off-line?

I mean, to have forward thinking like that you'd have to have knowledge of audio production and computer technology... oh wait...
 
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