Toucher and Rich Listeners say "Big Show Worste Sports Broadcaster"

[ArtSpooner]

Caring about what your competition does, and reinforcing someone else's show to your listeners are two different things. I understand keeping a close eye on your "enemies." My point was that you don't see Letterman talk about how bad Leno is. You don't hear Matty talk about the Sandbox. You hear them do their show. and they ignore everything else on the air at the time. You can be sure they're well aware of what happened on the other guy's shows that day. But, they do their gig and don't attempt to rip down the other show. All that does is give their listeners an excuse to flip over and see if the other guy responds. In this day and age of inaccurate ratings collection, it's an iffy method to employ.

I've beat this drum enough. It's well-stated, and everyone's free to disagree. I wish everyone a happy, healthy Summer.

Good to see the Celtics back in the finals. Good for Boston. Good for Basketball. And good for WRKO I bet.

I agree. I find it classless when one show criticizes a competitor. The last straw for me with Dennis and Callahole was when I heard them repeatedly call Imus a crook and even made snide remarks about his wife and kid. I heard Callahan say he hated Imus, upon further questioning, he admitted he'd never even met Imus. His "hatred" is based on jealously. I very rarely listen to their show anymore. It has to be a big day in sports for me to tune in and I usually don't listen long.

 

[TSBench]

The last straw for me with Dennis and Callahole...... It has to be a big day in sports for me to tune in and I usually don't listen long.

They certainly don't make 'last straws' like they used to.

Regards,
TSB

 

[SonicOverload]

there's no need to if they weren't discussing the Celtics the day after that playoff game.

 

[TSBench]

there's no need to if they weren't discussing the Celtics the day after that playoff game.

But why is that a 'need'? Listening to a radio program hosted by people you despise (and have posted so for months) just because the Celtics played the day previous, seems a bit of a disconnect. Was there a dearth of Celtic coverage elsewhere, including other shows on WEEI? I Ihink not. There are dozens of places on the radio and television dials, plus a number of morning dailies, where you can get the basic information and take a pass on the opinions, which are usually deemed worthless, of people supposedly considered unknowledgable clowns. Plus, not listening eliminates the risk of Random Offense Syndrome.

One of the things that makes this board a hoot is folks who have posted, seemingly forever, against programs they continue to listen to, evidently thinking they'll wake up one day and find the hosts have undergone personality transplants.

There is no 'need' to listen to any program. Only a need to beat the usual complaints into the ground.

Regards,
TSB

 

[ArtSpooner]

One of the things that makes this board a hoot is folks who have posted, seemingly forever, against programs they continue to listen to, evidently thinking they'll wake up one day and find the hosts have undergone personality transplants.

There is no 'need' to listen to any program. Only a need to beat the usual complaints into the ground.

Regards,
TSB

It's like watching Freud work. I'm in awe. What would this board do without you?

 

[SonicOverload]

there's no need to if they weren't discussing the Celtics the day after that playoff game.

But why is that a 'need'? Listening to a radio program hosted by people you despise (and have posted so for months) just because the Celtics played the day previous, seems a bit of a disconnect. Was there a dearth of Celtic coverage elsewhere, including other shows on WEEI? I Ihink not. There are dozens of places on the radio and television dials, plus a number of morning dailies, where you can get the basic information and take a pass on the opinions, which are usually deemed worthless, of people supposedly considered unknowledgable clowns. Plus, not listening eliminates the risk of Random Offense Syndrome.

One of the things that makes this board a hoot is folks who have posted, seemingly forever, against programs they continue to listen to, evidently thinking they'll wake up one day and find the hosts have undergone personality transplants.

There is no 'need' to listen to any program. Only a need to beat the usual complaints into the ground.

Regards,
TSB

no... my point was if you want sports, you don't need to listen to WEEI between 6 and 10... I want sports so I listen to another station. It's good to have the choice.

 

[TSBench]

It's like watching Freud work. I'm in awe.

My post, of course, concerned logic, not psychoanalysis. Not exactly sure where Freud comes into play.

What would this board do without you?

I dunno. Probably wouldn't change much. I seems quite competent to fight a losing battle with logic and consistency all by itself.

there's no need to if they weren't discussing the Celtics the day after that playoff game.

And my question was why there was a need to listen to a program one supposedly hates just because they were discussing a playoff game. If you think the hosts are buffoons, why would anyone care about their views? If I hated a program so much that I'd post continuously about how much I hated it, I wouldn't listen to it even if, through some inverse universe implosion, the Celtics won the Superbowl.

It appears the actual answer is "I hate the program except when I don't."

Regards,
TSB

 

[ArtSpooner]

I've never seen you do anything but take cheap shots at other posters, with your cute little way of highlighting each sentence. When will you formulate an original thought, so that we inferiors might be enlightened? Or does your overpowering sense of logic prevent you from doing anything beside criticizing others?

I look forward to your first original thought so that I, and other wretches like me, may sharpen our analytical skills, and by doing so, become worthy of breathing the same air that you do.

 

[Neanderpaul]

I believe my point is made.

This thread was originally about T&R. Now it's about choosing which sports show, or the merits of listening to a sports show when you don't like it.

Plus, as an aside the T&R listeners have taken to ripping on me in their T&R show-devoted forums for daring to present the idea here that talking about another show takes the focus off of what you do. Instead of talking about their show.


And none of this has anything to do with Toucher & Rich.

Bad Bit.

I rest my case...

 

[NSPUNX]

Bad Bit.

I rest my case...

What your missing is the bit wasn't specifically about thier radio competition. This bit was based on a bit they did about who was the "worst" comedian. This bit got the show national press which is always a good thing. This bit was about sportscasters in general wether they be on T.V. or radio. The listeners nominated the "contestants" and T and R made up brackets based on who the listeners nominated. This bit like the comedian bit covered several days.

So let's see... A bit that in the past has gotten you national press, that directly involves the listener and gets them involved in the show, and a bit that causes people to tune into the show multiple days in a row to find out who beat who and who is moving on is a bad bit? Oh yeah, thats right you have not actually listened to any of the bit and really have no first hand knowledge of what the bit actually was.

 

[Middy Weston]

I listen to TNR every day and generally find the show amusing-to-pretty darn funny. The Sports Caster bit, in my opinion, wasn't their funniest. Personally I thought it dragged on longer than it's legs...but whatever.

Some of the bits they pulled were probably not indicative of what an entire show is like...or a week's worth of program. And those bits were run into the ground. That's cool..they've done that with a lot of stuff. Chili Guy...the "farts" guy...and others always make me smile.

However if your show is a good one and your fans like what you do, mentioning another station--no matter how many times---isn't going to drive your audience away. Maybe they'll flip over for a minute, but most of us know what's on the dial and we know what we like. And if there's something better out there...they'll find it eventually.

It's quite refreshing to hear the invisible ceiling over the existence of other stations lifted on air.

 

[Neanderpaul]

Bad Bit.

I rest my case...

What your missing is the bit wasn't specifically about thier radio competition. This bit was based on a bit they did about who was the "worst" comedian. This bit got the show national press which is always a good thing. This bit was about sportscasters in general wether they be on T.V. or radio. The listeners nominated the "contestants" and T and R made up brackets based on who the listeners nominated. This bit like the comedian bit covered several days.

So let's see... A bit that in the past has gotten you national press, that directly involves the listener and gets them involved in the show, and a bit that causes people to tune into the show multiple days in a row to find out who beat who and who is moving on is a bad bit? Oh yeah, thats right you have not actually listened to any of the bit and really have no first hand knowledge of what the bit actually was.

You're partially correct. The comedian bit was great. I think, done correctly, that's a good bit. It works. And it got them attention. Home run. I'll re-state my position to acknowledge your point and clarify. Not a bad bit. A mistake in execution. The listeners nomination of a radio show on from 3-7 weekdays that's beating T&R should never have been included. That means ANY radio show. The bit was decent in concept. But including any other afternoon radio show...is its potentially fatal flaw. The inclusion, and subsequent victory of the Big Show in this contest only validates their position as most popular radio program on during afternoons. You have to concede that there very well could have been someone out there who nominated The Big Show simply to stir the pot. And they succeeded. The pot was stirred. and The Boig Show got tons of mentions on WBCN.

Whether I heard the bit, or not is irrelevant. Logic dictates you don't promote the other guy. Allowing any other afternoon drivetime radio show airtime, whether to be ridiculed or otherwise, access to your transmitter is usually a bad idea.

But...you don't work in radio, so I wouldn't expect you to know this. But it is a basic tenet of broadcasting.

 

[TSBench]

I've never seen you do anything but take cheap shots at other posters,

Huh? Asking you to explain an apparent dichotomy in your own posts is a cheap shot? You posted them yourself and they are all archived in case you’ve forgotten. You beat D&C like rented mules for months and yet persist in listening to the program. I asked you "why", and you appeared to be at a loss. Well, if you don't know why you listen, who does? I can’t think of anyone else to ask.

with your cute little way of highlighting each sentence.

Huh, again? All that does is show exactly to what statement to which I'm responding. That way
1. You can’t misquote me, and I can’t misquote you since the highlighted statements are direct lifts from posts.
2. I can comment on the statements of various correspondents in one post

Complaining about that format is a little like the folks who in one post complain about WEEI running too heavy a commercial load, and in the next complaining that they don’t hit the breaks on time.

When will you formulate an original thought, so that we inferiors might be enlightened?

Actually, I do frequently, and can actually explain why and, unlike in some quarters, can actually answer a straightforward question without going into ‘you’re picking on me’ mode. Ask me a question about one of my statements, and I’ll answer it. I do the same to you and you act like I’m asking for the passcode to your bank account.

Or does your overpowering sense of logic prevent you from doing anything beside criticizing others?

Let’s cut to the chase. I asked why you continue to listen to a radio program against which you consistently rail, which is a perfectly legitimate question in the context of this forum. Why not just answer it instead of coming out with the usual non-responsive obfuscations so prevalent on these boards ?

I look forward to your first original thought so that I, and other wretches like me, may sharpen our analytical skills, and by doing so, become worthy of breathing the same air that you do.

The longest journey starts with a single step. Step one would be to answer the original question.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
TSB

 

[ArtSpooner]

I'm still waiting for something other than a criticism of another poster.

Regards

 

[TSBench]

I'm still waiting for something other than a criticism of another poster.

Regards

Art, on reflection, I now believe I owe you an apology.

Back on May 26, when you posted

"I stopped listening to the three a**holes in the morning some time ago."

I mistakenly thought that you meant that you had really 'stopped listening to the three a**holes in the morning." It was obvious to everyone that you hadn't actually stopped listening at all, so I surmised it was just an attempt to build some street cred with the EDS crowd.

I now realize that, in the style of an Oliver Stone film or Michael Moore documentary, the idea that you had 'stopped listening' wasn't meant as the literal truth but, and more importantly, as THE TRUTH! You didn't answer my inquiry because you just didn't think this was the time or place to get involved in a lengthy discussion of the metaphorical aspects of message board postings. You believed that we'd all advanced past the stage where, as they used to say, the old Usenet was, simplistically, known as the 'web of lies.' In the post-modern world of the 'net, reviewing books you haven't read, movies you haven't seen, and radio programs you haven't listened to, are all forms of legitimate criticism provided, of course, that your heart is in the right place and it serves a greater, and noble, purpose. Postings that at first glance seem to have the intellectual depth of a 'Mean People Suck' bumper sticker are actually metaphysical insights of the first water. The fact that I still believed, in my own troglodytic and mean-spirited mindset, that words mean what they say is my problem, not yours.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Regards,
TSB

 

[ArtSpooner]

Boy, the guy who delights in criticizing other posters with a line by line analysis sure doesn't like it when someone does the same to him.

 

[GovtMule1979]

Can't we all just get along? Come on over, we'll watch some t.v play a little cards... What we bring is personality.

 

[NSPUNX]

The listeners nomination of a radio show on from 3-7 weekdays that's beating T&R should never have been included.

So.... what you're saying is they should have ignored what the listeners wanted and risked alienating the people that listen on a daily basis and go out of thier way to promote the show? Some people (myself included) enjoy rivalry among radio shows and enjoy listening to one show go after another (maybe it's immature or classless but I enjoy it) so not giving me what I want (and I am pretty sure thats exactly why so many people voted for them) is what would make me stop listening, not mentioning another show. You know it's obvious that we are never going to agree. You have your own style that is apparently succesful in your market and T and R have thier style which is growing a strong following (with little to no promotion on the part of CBS by the way. No billboards, no tv adds, no print adds, no streat team giving out t shirts and bumper stickers) in a reletively short period of time. I think if you had the opportunity to listen to the whole show first hand on a daily basis you might understand better how the old rules do not neccesarily apply to this particular show. If people want to listen to sports talk they know where to go, If they want to listen to comedy they know where to go, and if they want to listen to a purple haired troll read storied from the newspaper about guys getting thier wee wee's cut off and realting that to her trip to iraq they know where to go for that too! ( sorry... I just couldnt resist!)

 

[Neanderpaul]

The listeners nomination of a radio show on from 3-7 weekdays that's beating T&R should never have been included.

So.... what you're saying is they should have ignored what the listeners wanted and risked alienating the people that listen on a daily basis and go out of thier way to promote the show?

Yes. That's what I'm saying. Listeners as individuals have no way of knowing what the group as a whole prefer. You only know what your personal opinion is. This isn't an honest democratic process. It's a radio show. Entertainment. And there's certainly a way to include all of the audience's choices in a way that is completely entertaining while avoiding promoting another show.

Some people (myself included) enjoy rivalry among radio shows and enjoy listening to one show go after another (maybe it's immature or classless but I enjoy it) so not giving me what I want (and I am pretty sure thats exactly why so many people voted for them) is what would make me stop listening, not mentioning another show. You know it's obvious that we are never going to agree. You have your own style that is apparently succesful in your market and (show name deleted) have thier style which is growing a strong following (with little to no promotion on the part of CBS by the way. No billboards, no tv adds, no print adds, no streat team giving out t shirts and bumper stickers) in a reletively short period of time. I think if you had the opportunity to listen to the whole show first hand on a daily basis you might understand better how the old rules do not neccesarily apply to this particular show.

There're a few truths in your statement;

1. We'll never agree. You're a fan. I work in the business. And that's fine. I will say this to you and feel free to discard the knowledge; It's not about "old rules" or "new rules." It's about being smart, and sometimes overlooking a detail that, in hindsight, might have made the bit better.

I haven't heard the show (see...never promote ;D ) since April of '07 when I was back selling my home. Not one break. I know you and your friends on their message boards feel otherwise, but it's just not true. At the time, I thought they sounded like outsiders in a very parochial market. I have friends who've told me...and even those on this board have stated phrases to the effect of "they're growing on me." Those are great signs.


2. CBS hasn't promoted them properly. I agree. Radio as a whole usually cuts their promotions budgets first when revenues aren't meeting expectations. I've always found this to be counterproductive. It would stand to reason that the two most important things when running a radio station are;

a. What comes out of the speakers

and

b. making people aware of what comes out of the speakers.

If you have a show that you consider a franchise, and let's face it, a local PM Drive show when you have a syndicated AM Drive show, is your franchise, You should spend as much as necessary, and then 20% more to make the audience aware of your great show. Again...my opinion. I hate how radio as an industry under-promotes itself. We spend a lot of time making apologies and excuses instead of standing proud.

Which goes back to my original assertion: Never spend your time talking about the other guy. It's bad enough you aren't getting promoted, why give them any airtime?

If people want to listen to sports talk they know where to go, If they want to listen to comedy they know where to go, and if they want to listen to a <deleted> read stories from the newspaper about guys getting thier wee wee's cut off and realting their trip to iraq they know where to go for that too! ( sorry... I just couldnt resist!)

And I edited it so you wouldn't be promoting another show other than your favorite.

 

[NSPUNX]

Maybe you are looking strictly from the business outlook but I think if one is really "that good" then they do not have to be afraid of talking about thier competition, they are so good there is no chance they will turn the dial. The other way I look at it is if YOU give the first impression of the competition and point out the bland or unfunny points about then I think people will be less likely to try them out as they already (think) they know what they are going to get. Again, we will never agree. Yes, you are in the business and I am just a listener and volunteer at a college non-com but one could make the argument that the people in the business are the ones who have killed it with out dated thinking and not taking into account what the listeners want. Obviously that's not you and I am not trying to say it is you I am just saying I don't think it neccesarily means much these days to be "in the business".