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True Oldies Channel needed in Upstate S.C.-WGOG-FM 96.3 would be a great fit

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:) Art Sutton has been posting on here. Don`t you own WGOG-FM 96.3? Would you consider putting the True Oldies Channel on it? The former Y106/Eagle WYAY station in Atlanta has been doing great lately with it. A large are of the Upstate (including Anderson) doesn`t have a real Oldies station. WOLT-FM 103.3 doesn`t come in at all here. WRIX-FM 103 has been playing several different Jones formats! We need WGOG-FM 96.3 as True Oldies. WGOG was Oldies from 1999-2003, but it wasn`t done very well. It was all autoamted from Jones.
 
It is ashame that it never has worked well in the upstate. I guess the best that it ever did was WFBC 93.7 before they to b93.7 as a CHR. That market seems to do well with country and adult contemporary and even some of the rock formats, but no oldies and that is a real shame. I just wonder if the station hd the right programming it could do well.
 
It would work well with a large Oldies playlist. The True Oldies Channel has over a 5,000 song playlist! WYAY-FM 106.7 in atlanta switched to True Oldies back in April and the ratings are GREAT! WGOG-FM needs to switch to the True Oldies Channel with local programming added!
 
"Oldies" ain't what it used to be...The term itself has an "American Grafitti" image and plays to an audience over 50 whom are meaningless to the mainstream advertisers. The successful new breed of oldies radio stations target adults 25-54 who grew up on music dated primarily in the mid 70's but know and love anything from the Beatles era through the early 80's! Today's Oldies Stations have to be presented as an Adult Contemporary that just happens to play music that is not current and they need compelling personalities and promotions to stand out. This format shares many of the same titles as AC and Classic Rock, so clusters are afraid to include an oldies station in their portfolio as it will cannibalize from their money makers. You won't see any mainstream companies in Greenville doing oldies as nobody wants to hurt WMYI, WROQ or WSPA. Anyone left? Only those with challenged signals or low budget operations in the market who can't compete with the big dogs. Wish it were different...As I would love to return to Greenville as a PD/Morning Host, but due to the state of our industry. we all must accept the status quo.
 
Goodtimesandgreatoldies said:
It would work well with a large Oldies playlist. The True Oldies Channel has over a 5,000 song playlist! WYAY-FM 106.7 in atlanta switched to True Oldies back in April and the ratings are GREAT! WGOG-FM needs to switch to the True Oldies Channel with local programming added!

Then why don't you lease a radio station and program it with the format yourself?
 
carolinaradio said:
Hey, I think the silent 1070 AM is still for sale...maybe you could buy or lease that and put True Oldies on it.

Yes, Tama Broadcasting has the station for sale.

I think they're asking around the same price they paid, like $1.2 million.

Can you afford the power bill on the station and a full staff? 1070 needs some serious engineering reworking to the technical plant too.
 
Yes...you should put oldies on 1070. Seems to me that the AM sound would compliment the older-skewing satellite feed well. On top of the 1.2 mil I would suggest upgrading a lot of the equipment, as well as the facilities. I think that mobile home is almost 40 years, isn't it? Not sure what kind of shape it's in.

On a more serious note...I think someone said a while back that a lot of the engineering problems at 1070 had been worked on. Not sure if that has helped the signal much or not. Very directional pattern.
 
carolinaradio said:
Yes...you should put oldies on 1070. Seems to me that the AM sound would compliment the older-skewing satellite feed well. On top of the 1.2 mil I would suggest upgrading a lot of the equipment, as well as the facilities. I think that mobile home is almost 40 years, isn't it? Not sure what kind of shape it's in.

On a more serious note...I think someone said a while back that a lot of the engineering problems at 1070 had been worked on. Not sure if that has helped the signal much or not. Very directional pattern.

Between buying the station, attorneys and brokers costs, fixing up the mobile home, fixing up some of the engineering issues, promotions for the launch, staff salaries for a few months and utilities costs (phone, internet, power) until you really start making money... would probably total at least $2.5 million dollars.

Maybe GoodTimesGreatOldies should put up the dough if it's such a viable format.
 
radioguybroadcasting said:
carolinaradio said:
Yes...you should put oldies on 1070. Seems to me that the AM sound would compliment the older-skewing satellite feed well. On top of the 1.2 mil I would suggest upgrading a lot of the equipment, as well as the facilities. I think that mobile home is almost 40 years, isn't it? Not sure what kind of shape it's in.

On a more serious note...I think someone said a while back that a lot of the engineering problems at 1070 had been worked on. Not sure if that has helped the signal much or not. Very directional pattern.

Between buying the station, attorneys and brokers costs, fixing up the mobile home, fixing up some of the engineering issues, promotions for the launch, staff salaries for a few months and utilities costs (phone, internet, power) until you really start making money... would probably total at least $2.5 million dollars.

Maybe GoodTimesGreatOldies should put up the dough if it's such a viable format.


somebody care to breakdown how many commercial spots are available to sell per hour and how many spots would have to be sold (at what? $5 a pop?) before he would start making money off a 2.5 million dollar oldies cash cow?

I am thinking most of the Oldies audience would be long dead before that would happen. Invest in a Sirius XM 'Roady' and listen to the Oldies channels on that. Tell all your friends.
 
hamNcheese said:
radioguybroadcasting said:
carolinaradio said:
Yes...you should put oldies on 1070. Seems to me that the AM sound would compliment the older-skewing satellite feed well. On top of the 1.2 mil I would suggest upgrading a lot of the equipment, as well as the facilities. I think that mobile home is almost 40 years, isn't it? Not sure what kind of shape it's in.

On a more serious note...I think someone said a while back that a lot of the engineering problems at 1070 had been worked on. Not sure if that has helped the signal much or not. Very directional pattern.

Between buying the station, attorneys and brokers costs, fixing up the mobile home, fixing up some of the engineering issues, promotions for the launch, staff salaries for a few months and utilities costs (phone, internet, power) until you really start making money... would probably total at least $2.5 million dollars.

Maybe GoodTimesGreatOldies should put up the dough if it's such a viable format.


somebody care to breakdown how many commercial spots are available to sell per hour and how many spots would have to be sold (at what? $5 a pop?) before he would start making money off a 2.5 million dollar oldies cash cow?

I am thinking most of the Oldies audience would be long dead before that would happen. Invest in a Sirius XM 'Roady' and listen to the Oldies channels on that. Tell all your friends.

I just did some quick math...

At $5 a pop, 1070 would have to run 1389 commercials per day, every day, every week, every month for a year to turn a profit on 1070.

That is based on a $1.2 million asking price.... the fact you will probably need to buy a new 50KW AM transmitter at a cost of $200,000 due to the fact the current one has never worked right as of late. You will also need at least $25,000 in ATU, ground system and related improvements.

Those towers also don't need to be lighted, even though they are... it'll cost you a few thousand to have someone climb the towers and remove the lightiing equipment, in the end. Which would SAVE you money in the long run.

Then you'd need to spend at least $100,00 on tv commercials across the major TV stations in Greenville, newspaper ads, tons of bumper stickers and related material.

Then, if you were to be live from 6am to 7pm 5 days a week, youd need 3 good on air personalities and their salaries would be anywhere between $90,000 and $120,000 for the entire year for all three people put together.

You would also need somewhere in the neighborhood of $25,000 for the year JUST to pay the electricity for the transmitter alone.. add in everything else at the station and youre probably looking at around an additional $6000 a year in electricity.

You'd also need at least a few thousand dollars minimum to pay the engineer for all the work...

And youd wanna keep a few tens of thousands in the bank if something should ever go kaboom, sizzle, fry, crisp or break on you... or if the beloved oldies format doesnt do as well as dreamed and you need to pay the bills.

i love oldies too, don't get me wrong.. but I'm not off in lalala dream land and Im in reality.. I realize what running a radio station is like, what it takes and how much it costs!
 
great info, radioguy...I guess that is the main reason that 1070 has been satellite-fed entirely for so long and the equipment is not operated at full power. They have usually had only about 4-5 local advertisers at a time in recent years as satellite, IIRC. It didn't sound (audio wise) as bad last time it was on....but the signal isn't what is should be.

fwiw, here is a 'bird's eye' view of the facilities. You have to pan around a bit, then you can get a good view. That mobile home looks pretty rough. If you drag the map back far enough to the north, you can see the power lines that supposedly hinder the signal. Sad.
 
carolinaradio said:
great info, radioguy...I guess that is the main reason that 1070 has been satellite-fed entirely for so long and the equipment is not operated at full power. They have usually had only about 4-5 local advertisers at a time in recent years as satellite, IIRC. It didn't sound (audio wise) as bad last time it was on....but the signal isn't what is should be.

fwiw, here is a 'bird's eye' view of the facilities. You have to pan around a bit, then you can get a good view. That mobile home looks pretty rough. If you drag the map back far enough to the north, you can see the power lines that supposedly hinder the signal. Sad.

i think you meant to post a link or pic and didn't.

Taking the lights off those towers would reduce the power bill a few hundred bucks ...
 
carolinaradio said:
It's across from the library...click on bird's eye and you can pan around. looks pretty depressing.

Oh, I should have noted that from 2006 to 2007, 1070 WAS carrying an oldies format 24/7 by satellite.

Yes, 1070 was carrying oldies.. but now, GoodTimesGreatOldies will come alogn and say Jones wasn't a good network or the music sucked. The format was there merely to fill the bandwith and airwaves, Tama's wanted to sell that place for over 2 years. It later picked up ABN's Party & Blues Network from Gulfport, I think.
 
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