Two new Tivoli WiFi/FM radios. Price tbd. No HD radio.

[vsa]

NetWorks Internet/FM Table Radio - If you like listening to Italian Opera direct from Milan or rock music from New York City, or any specialty, niche radio station from any location in the world in its native language, in real time, Tivoli Audio’s NetWorks Table Radio is for you.

Tivoli Audio lets you tune in to literally thousands of free radio stations from all around the world with its first Internet table radio – aptly called NetWorks. Designed for home use, NetWorks delivers a pop-and-crackle-free signal from any station that has a Web site address. The elegantly simple, yet technologically advanced NetWorks was designed by Tivoli Audio Chairman and CEO Tom DeVesto. Price to be determined. More at the link:

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=128

NetWorksGo Internet/FM Portable Radio - For those travelers who want music, news, sports, and entertainment from anywhere around the globe, wherever they go, in real time, Tivoli Audio introduces its new NetWorksGo Internet travel radio.

The NetWorksGo is a portable, weather-resistant travel radio designed to access literally thousands of free radio stations around the world, at any time and any place through a broadband or wifi wireless Internet connection. Price to be determined. More at the link:

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=127

More on the new Tivoli radios: Internet radios - the new shortwave? Two new models previewed.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/features/media/070628int

So what happened to the previously announced Tivoli HD radio? Cold feet?

 

[Mike Walker]

I wonder if Tivoli is waiting for those low voltage chips. Tivoli has said for some time that they would do HD, but only when they were convinced they could do it right. I certainly respect that. I LOVE MY TIVOLI PAL! Nearly super-tuner performace (great sound...in stereo through headphones) at a ridiculously low price. Tivoli's stuff is cool...great "lust appeal" for me!

 

[tankedsecondchance]

heres the one i read it says hd

Tivoli Audio is targeting the fall Christmas selling season for the release of two sub-$1,000 radio models in tabletop and portable versions.

[EDIT]

Both radios will be upgradable over Wi-Fi, says DeVesto, and have auxiliary inputs for iPod connection, as well as USB inputs.

Tivoli is also planning to market a new European-style dark-wood exotic finish called “Wenge” (pronounced “venga”) with a complementary bronze faceplate as an option on its Model One ($119.99) and Music System ($749.99) SKUs – part of what DeVesto terms his desire to “create a design ethic that is bundled together with technology, rather than just focusing on either one or the other.”
[EDIT-post truncated because originating material is copyprotected.
Unauthorized use of copyrighted content is in violation of Radio-Info's
TOS.]

 

[radiopilot]

heres the one i read it says hd

Tivoli Audio is targeting the fall Christmas selling season for the release of two sub-$1,000 radio models in tabletop and portable versions.

[EDIT]

Both radios will be upgradable over Wi-Fi, says DeVesto, and have auxiliary inputs for iPod connection, as well as USB inputs.

Tivoli is also planning to market a new European-style dark-wood exotic finish called “Wenge” (pronounced “venga”) with a complementary bronze faceplate as an option on its Model One ($119.99) and Music System ($749.99) SKUs – part of what DeVesto terms his desire to “create a design ethic that is bundled together with technology, rather than just focusing on either one or the other.”
[EDIT-post truncated because originating material is copyprotected.
Unauthorized use of copyrighted content is in violation of Radio-Info's
TOS.]

They are here already and in a wood cabinet and looking quite nice for WIFI based radios:

http://ccrane.com/radios/internet-radios/tangent-quattro-wifi-internet-radio.aspx

There are several others too... although still pricey, think of the millions of stations one would get compared to just several HD stations, and if you want 'local' content just log into a local internet web broadcast from your neighborhood, we have them in our area.

Who needs HD radio?

Radiopilot

 

[R.F. Burns]

here's the link for the page where Tivoli was promoting their HD radio (which was never released);

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=82

 

[radiopilot]

here's the link for the page where Tivoli was promoting their HD radio (which was never released);

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=82

Yeah... if you're into buying 'blank pages' of HD products... Maybe Tivoli got smart and removed the HD radios from it's website. Maybe they're not selling?

Maybe you meant the WIFI internet based portable radio:

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=127

Radiopilot

 

[R.F. Burns]

here's the link for the page where Tivoli was promoting their HD radio (which was never released);

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=82

Yeah... if you're into buying 'blank pages' of HD products... Maybe Tivoli got smart and removed the HD radios from it's website. Maybe they're not selling?

Maybe you meant the WIFI internet based portable radio:

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=127

Radiopilot

No, it was the page for their HD radio. What happened is anyones guess and I already know what your's is. I wonder what the facts really are? They actually produced a prototype because it ws pictured on that page.

 

[radiopilot]

here's the link for the page where Tivoli was promoting their HD radio (which was never released);

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=82

Yeah... if you're into buying 'blank pages' of HD products... Maybe Tivoli got smart and removed the HD radios from it's website. Maybe they're not selling?

Maybe you meant the WIFI internet based portable radio:

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=127

Radiopilot

No, it was the page for their HD radio. What happened is anyones guess and I already know what your's is. I wonder what the facts really are? They actually produced a prototype because it ws pictured on that page.

Maybe it's a conspiracy and PocketRadio and myself are to blame or we have board positions at Tivoli and removed the HD radios from Tivoli's website and from Tivoli's products altogether at our request.

Try doing a search for the HD radios at the Tivoli website and see the results, most won't be pleased.

Radiopilot

 

[R.F. Burns]

here's the link for the page where Tivoli was promoting their HD radio (which was never released);

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=82

Yeah... if you're into buying 'blank pages' of HD products... Maybe Tivoli got smart and removed the HD radios from it's website. Maybe they're not selling?

Maybe you meant the WIFI internet based portable radio:

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=127

Radiopilot

No, it was the page for their HD radio. What happened is anyones guess and I already know what your's is. I wonder what the facts really are? They actually produced a prototype because it ws pictured on that page.

Maybe it's a conspiracy and PocketRadio and myself are to blame or we have board positions at Tivoli and removed the HD radios from Tivoli's website and from Tivoli's products altogether at our request.

Try doing a search for the HD radios at the Tivoli website and see the results, most won't be pleased.

Radiopilot

Tivoliu, as nice as it is is a boutique brand. If I were looking for the widest distribution of my product, I'd take Sony over Tivoli any day.

 

[radiopilot]

here's the link for the page where Tivoli was promoting their HD radio (which was never released);

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=82

Yeah... if you're into buying 'blank pages' of HD products... Maybe Tivoli got smart and removed the HD radios from it's website. Maybe they're not selling?

Maybe you meant the WIFI internet based portable radio:

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=127

Radiopilot

No, it was the page for their HD radio. What happened is anyones guess and I already know what your's is. I wonder what the facts really are? They actually produced a prototype because it ws pictured on that page.

Maybe it's a conspiracy and PocketRadio and myself are to blame or we have board positions at Tivoli and removed the HD radios from Tivoli's website and from Tivoli's products altogether at our request.

Try doing a search for the HD radios at the Tivoli website and see the results, most won't be pleased.

Radiopilot

Tivoliu, as nice as it is is a boutique brand. If I were looking for the widest distribution of my product, I'd take Sony over Tivoli any day.

Sony products were excellent quality at one time, for some reason their products just don't have that appeal anymore and I wonder what type of production runs they will have with the HD radios, basing it's marketing and production on the current HD radio sales so far of it's competitors.

I guess time will tell.

Radiopilot

 

[vsa]

As Tivoli announces 2 wifi/FM radios, Roku has dropped the prices on its popular line of SoundBridge Internet radio and streaming music players.

The SoundBridge M1001 has been reduced by $50 and is now only $149.99.
The SoundBridge Radio has been reduced by $100 and is now $299.99. These planned price reductions are made as part of Roku’s goal of making Internet Radio available to as many consumers as possible. Now Internet radio players are more accessible and affordable to more people than ever before. SoundBridge products can be purchased online at www.rokulabs.com or at retailers nation-wide.

It's getting cheaper and easier to hear those HD and HD-2 stations through wifi radios, leapfrogging any need for a tabletop or component HD radio. As long as they stream online, you can hear every single one of them without distance, antenna, interference or power issues.

Look for more wifi radio announcements as we approach the Christmas gift-buying season.

 

[R.F. Burns]

As Tivoli announces 2 wifi/FM radios, Roku has dropped the prices on its popular line of SoundBridge Internet radio and streaming music players.

The SoundBridge M1001 has been reduced by $50 and is now only $149.99.
The SoundBridge Radio has been reduced by $100 and is now $299.99. These planned price reductions are made as part of Roku’s goal of making Internet Radio available to as many consumers as possible. Now Internet radio players are more accessible and affordable to more people than ever before. SoundBridge products can be purchased online at www.rokulabs.com or at retailers nation-wide.

It's getting cheaper and easier to hear those HD and HD-2 stations through wifi radios, leapfrogging any need for a tabletop or component HD radio. As long as they stream online, you can hear every single one of them without distance, antenna, interference or power issues.

Look for more wifi radio announcements as we approach the Christmas gift-buying season.

Unless you are housebound these radios have limited appeal and they all require a internet subscription. To me that amounts to an extra $50 a month bill and the purchase of a wireless router/access point. This is great for home use, but of course if I want to listen to these stations I can always use my computer, so what do I need another appliance for?

 

[vsa]

As Tivoli announces 2 wifi/FM radios, Roku has dropped the prices on its popular line of SoundBridge Internet radio and streaming music players.

The SoundBridge M1001 has been reduced by $50 and is now only $149.99.
The SoundBridge Radio has been reduced by $100 and is now $299.99. These planned price reductions are made as part of Roku’s goal of making Internet Radio available to as many consumers as possible. Now Internet radio players are more accessible and affordable to more people than ever before. SoundBridge products can be purchased online at www.rokulabs.com or at retailers nation-wide.

It's getting cheaper and easier to hear those HD and HD-2 stations through wifi radios, leapfrogging any need for a tabletop or component HD radio. As long as they stream online, you can hear every single one of them without distance, antenna, interference or power issues.

Look for more wifi radio announcements as we approach the Christmas gift-buying season.

Unless you are housebound these radios have limited appeal and they all require a internet subscription. To me that amounts to an extra $50 a month bill and the purchase of a wireless router/access point. This is great for home use, but of course if I want to listen to these stations I can always use my computer, so what do I need another appliance for?

So, unless you're housebound, all tabletop HD radios also have limited appeal.

As for requiring an Internet subscription? Here in Southern California, broadband DSL is available for as little as $15 a month. Don't you already have a similar kind of high-speed service. Since wireless routers and wifi are increasingly common in homes, there's no need for an extra subscription.

Of course you can listen on your computer. Perhaps 70 million Americans already do so each month. Wifi radios make it simple to hear Internet radio anywhere around the house or outside property. Try connecting your attic antenna to an HD radio in your back yard this summer.

This is the future, my friend.

 

[R.F. Burns]

As Tivoli announces 2 wifi/FM radios, Roku has dropped the prices on its popular line of SoundBridge Internet radio and streaming music players.

The SoundBridge M1001 has been reduced by $50 and is now only $149.99.
The SoundBridge Radio has been reduced by $100 and is now $299.99. These planned price reductions are made as part of Roku’s goal of making Internet Radio available to as many consumers as possible. Now Internet radio players are more accessible and affordable to more people than ever before. SoundBridge products can be purchased online at www.rokulabs.com or at retailers nation-wide.

It's getting cheaper and easier to hear those HD and HD-2 stations through wifi radios, leapfrogging any need for a tabletop or component HD radio. As long as they stream online, you can hear every single one of them without distance, antenna, interference or power issues.

Look for more wifi radio announcements as we approach the Christmas gift-buying season.

Unless you are housebound these radios have limited appeal and they all require a internet subscription. To me that amounts to an extra $50 a month bill and the purchase of a wireless router/access point. This is great for home use, but of course if I want to listen to these stations I can always use my computer, so what do I need another appliance for?

So, unless you're housebound, all tabletop HD radios also have limited appeal.

As for requiring an Internet subscription? Here in Southern California, broadband DSL is available for as little as $15 a month. Don't you already have a similar kind of high-speed service. Since wireless routers and wifi are increasingly common in homes, there's no need for an extra subscription.

Of course you can listen on your computer. Perhaps 70 million Americans already do so each month. Wifi radios make it simple to hear Internet radio anywhere around the house or outside property. Try connecting your attic antenna to an HD radio in your back yard this summer.

This is the future, my friend.

Yes it may be the future but we aren't there yet and most of the internet listening that is done is of broadcasters that are terrestrial broadcasters anyway. It's just a different method of broadcasting. For instance in Tampa, where my parents live they listen to WFAN and other NYC radio stations. This is similar to what has happened to over the air television stations vs cable operators. Sure there has been some erosion but the OTA networks still crush the cable competition numbers wise. In my part of the country, NYC most wireless routers are locked down to prevent theft. There are people who lookk for open wi-fi systems so that they can conduct illegal business and when the law gets involved asnd the IP address comes back, guess who's responsible? When a wireless system is bult that can serve a population the size of NY and the region seamlessly, then internet radio can be taken seriously as a competitor to over the air broadcasting. As someone who was in Midtown Manhattan when the 9-11 attack occured in lower Manhattan, radio stations remained on the air to keep the public informed as did some TV facilities, the internet failed in a number of areas of metro market. Unless they can create a infrastucture that can survive that kind of hit, no one can seriously consider wireless to seriously compete with OTA broadcasting. Forget entertainment radios real value is its ability to inform the public in times of emergency. Yes, in the future wireless program delivery is comming but so far the competition has fallen short.

 

[Mike Walker]

VSA has a point that HD radios so far are for the "housebound" (except for the car models, of course). That'll change when portables hit the market later this year, or early next.

I take slight exception to RF calling Tivoli a "boutique" brand. Unless, of course, one considers Target a "boutique". Target DOES sell Tivoli.

 

[vsa]

As Tivoli announces 2 wifi/FM radios, Roku has dropped the prices on its popular line of SoundBridge Internet radio and streaming music players.

The SoundBridge M1001 has been reduced by $50 and is now only $149.99.
The SoundBridge Radio has been reduced by $100 and is now $299.99. These planned price reductions are made as part of Roku’s goal of making Internet Radio available to as many consumers as possible. Now Internet radio players are more accessible and affordable to more people than ever before. SoundBridge products can be purchased online at www.rokulabs.com or at retailers nation-wide.

It's getting cheaper and easier to hear those HD and HD-2 stations through wifi radios, leapfrogging any need for a tabletop or component HD radio. As long as they stream online, you can hear every single one of them without distance, antenna, interference or power issues.

Look for more wifi radio announcements as we approach the Christmas gift-buying season.

Unless you are housebound these radios have limited appeal and they all require a internet subscription. To me that amounts to an extra $50 a month bill and the purchase of a wireless router/access point. This is great for home use, but of course if I want to listen to these stations I can always use my computer, so what do I need another appliance for?

So, unless you're housebound, all tabletop HD radios also have limited appeal.

As for requiring an Internet subscription? Here in Southern California, broadband DSL is available for as little as $15 a month. Don't you already have a similar kind of high-speed service. Since wireless routers and wifi are increasingly common in homes, there's no need for an extra subscription.

Of course you can listen on your computer. Perhaps 70 million Americans already do so each month. Wifi radios make it simple to hear Internet radio anywhere around the house or outside property. Try connecting your attic antenna to an HD radio in your back yard this summer.

This is the future, my friend.

Yes it may be the future but we aren't there yet and most of the internet listening that is done is of broadcasters that are terrestrial broadcasters anyway.

Wrong. All of the studies show terrestrial streamers reach a minority of Internet radio listeners.

It's just a different method of broadcasting. For instance in Tampa, where my parents live they listen to WFAN and other NYC radio stations. This is similar to what has happened to over the air television stations vs cable operators. Sure there has been some erosion but the OTA networks still crush the cable competition numbers wise. In my part of the country, NYC most wireless routers are locked down to prevent theft. There are people who lookk for open wi-fi systems so that they can conduct illegal business and when the law gets involved asnd the IP address comes back, guess who's responsible? When a wireless system is bult that can serve a population the size of NY and the region seamlessly, then internet radio can be taken seriously as a competitor to over the air broadcasting.

Is that when you'll wake up? When it's too late?

As someone who was in Midtown Manhattan when the 9-11 attack occured in lower Manhattan, radio stations remained on the air to keep the public informed as did some TV facilities, the internet failed in a number of areas of metro market. Unless they can create a infrastucture that can survive that kind of hit, no one can seriously consider wireless to seriously compete with OTA broadcasting. Forget entertainment radios real value is its ability to inform the public in times of emergency. Yes, in the future wireless program delivery is comming but so far the competition has fallen short.

I'm sorry, but radio is not the go-to source for news that it once was. Sad, but true.

 

[radiopilot]

As Tivoli announces 2 wifi/FM radios, Roku has dropped the prices on its popular line of SoundBridge Internet radio and streaming music players.

The SoundBridge M1001 has been reduced by $50 and is now only $149.99.
The SoundBridge Radio has been reduced by $100 and is now $299.99. These planned price reductions are made as part of Roku’s goal of making Internet Radio available to as many consumers as possible. Now Internet radio players are more accessible and affordable to more people than ever before. SoundBridge products can be purchased online at www.rokulabs.com or at retailers nation-wide.

It's getting cheaper and easier to hear those HD and HD-2 stations through wifi radios, leapfrogging any need for a tabletop or component HD radio. As long as they stream online, you can hear every single one of them without distance, antenna, interference or power issues.

Look for more wifi radio announcements as we approach the Christmas gift-buying season.

Unless you are housebound these radios have limited appeal and they all require a internet subscription. To me that amounts to an extra $50 a month bill and the purchase of a wireless router/access point. This is great for home use, but of course if I want to listen to these stations I can always use my computer, so what do I need another appliance for?

So, unless you're housebound, all tabletop HD radios also have limited appeal.

As for requiring an Internet subscription? Here in Southern California, broadband DSL is available for as little as $15 a month. Don't you already have a similar kind of high-speed service. Since wireless routers and wifi are increasingly common in homes, there's no need for an extra subscription.

Of course you can listen on your computer. Perhaps 70 million Americans already do so each month. Wifi radios make it simple to hear Internet radio anywhere around the house or outside property. Try connecting your attic antenna to an HD radio in your back yard this summer.

This is the future, my friend.

Yes it may be the future but we aren't there yet and most of the internet listening that is done is of broadcasters that are terrestrial broadcasters anyway. It's just a different method of broadcasting. For instance in Tampa, where my parents live they listen to WFAN and other NYC radio stations. This is similar to what has happened to over the air television stations vs cable operators. Sure there has been some erosion but the OTA networks still crush the cable competition numbers wise. In my part of the country, NYC most wireless routers are locked down to prevent theft. There are people who lookk for open wi-fi systems so that they can conduct illegal business and when the law gets involved asnd the IP address comes back, guess who's responsible? When a wireless system is bult that can serve a population the size of NY and the region seamlessly, then internet radio can be taken seriously as a competitor to over the air broadcasting. As someone who was in Midtown Manhattan when the 9-11 attack occured in lower Manhattan, radio stations remained on the air to keep the public informed as did some TV facilities, the internet failed in a number of areas of metro market. Unless they can create a infrastucture that can survive that kind of hit, no one can seriously consider wireless to seriously compete with OTA broadcasting. Forget entertainment radios real value is its ability to inform the public in times of emergency. Yes, in the future wireless program delivery is comming but so far the competition has fallen short.

So now the reality is in check, you admit that alot of internet listening is done from radio broadcasters and that's good, but it also means there's no need for HD radio over the air as you claim it must have.

Think about what you've just said in your reply, during 9/11 radio stations remained on the air, but so could have wifi all over Manhattan and all other boroughs of NY. and people would have been informed, so if a radio station happened to be in the Twin Towers during 9/11 wouldn't that broadcast facility and it's listeners be failed also?

The internet is a spiderweb of connections and just because one segment gets cut does not mean the whole internet is lost, I'd figure you as an engineer would know that?

If the competition is falling short, then why does the terrestrial broadcasters need to be on the web? Could it be they know the direction consumers want to get their content and the direction of emerging technologies because it sure isn't in HD radio.


Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

HD is RADIO. REAL RADIO. Which means it can travel wherever people are. At home. In the car. Outdoors in the yard. At the beach. Many miles from civilization. Wi-Fi and internet radio don't go there. Which is why internet radio, as much as it's grown, is the "tail". Terrestrial radio IS THE DOG. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of listeners in the US alone. Nothing comes close. It would take dozens, or hundreds of average internet stations (Shoutcast or Live 365 stations as a good example) to equal the audience of one medium sized FM station.

Of course there are exceptions...internet stations with thousands of listeners. But the sad thing is they're more likely to be losing money than the guy with a dozen listeners...because unlike terrestrial broadcasting (satellite as well), where distribution costs go down as audience increases, bandwidth costs can eat successful webcasters alive. It's possible to literally become bankrupt from success.

If wi-fi were universally available, free of charge, and the bandwidth cost issues could be solved (I don't know how, do you?), then you might have an argument. Hell, you would have an argument, and terrestrial radio (digital or otherwise) would make no sense. Wait...it still would. COST! It's why shortwave is still very popular in developing parts of the world. It's many times cheaper to produce a good radio than an internet-enabled device, and much simpler to distribute content to the device(s). Another hurdle to clear.

And then there's the cost of delivering music over the web. Regardless of what Congress does, that issue will resurface in a couple of years, then again in a couple more, until the recording industry finally squeezes out all but the biggest guys. People like Ibiquity, CBS, AOL, etc. Talk about a "cartel".

Anyone who minimizes the hurdles which internet radio must overcome is probably not a webcaster. I am!

 

[radiopilot]

HD is RADIO. REAL RADIO. Which means it can travel wherever people are. At home. In the car. Outdoors in the yard. At the beach. Many miles from civilization. Wi-Fi and internet radio don't go there. Which is why internet radio, as much as it's grown, is the "tail". Terrestrial radio IS THE DOG. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of listeners in the US alone. Nothing comes close. It would take dozens, or hundreds of average internet stations (Shoutcast or Live 365 stations as a good example) to equal the audience of one medium sized FM station.

Of course there are exceptions...internet stations with thousands of listeners. But the sad thing is they're more likely to be losing money than the guy with a dozen listeners...because unlike terrestrial broadcasting (satellite as well), where distribution costs go down as audience increases, bandwidth costs can eat successful webcasters alive. It's possible to literally become bankrupt from success.

If wi-fi were universally available, free of charge, and the bandwidth cost issues could be solved (I don't know how, do you?), then you might have an argument. Hell, you would have an argument, and terrestrial radio (digital or otherwise) would make no sense. Wait...it still would. COST! It's why shortwave is still very popular in developing parts of the world. It's many times cheaper to produce a good radio than an internet-enabled device, and much simpler to distribute content to the device(s). Another hurdle to clear.

And then there's the cost of delivering music over the web. Regardless of what Congress does, that issue will resurface in a couple of years, then again in a couple more, until the recording industry finally squeezes out all but the biggest guys. People like Ibiquity, CBS, AOL, etc. Talk about a "cartel".

Anyone who minimizes the hurdles which internet radio must overcome is probably not a webcaster. I am!

The only way Wifi will not succeed is if the NAB along with it's deep pockets in Congress will oppose it as too much competition for terrestrial radio much as they are with satelite radio!

Too bad thinkers like you will be left behind in the technology department with your outmoded HD radios while the rest of us are gleening in the true technology of the future, Oh and guess what it will cost a subscription fee and by the amount of sales for the iPhone it's an indication of what people will do to get this technology.

Radiopilot

 

[PocketRadio]

HD is RADIO. REAL RADIO. Which means it can travel wherever people are. At home. In the car. Outdoors in the yard. At the beach. Many miles from civilization.

There are no portable HD radios - if they ever appear, battery life and reception will be poor. Other technologies are taking off, while you are stuck at home playing with your "wabbit ears" !