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VILLAGE 900 (CKMO) VICTORIA TO LEAVE THE AIR ON MARCH 4th

CKMO 900 in Victoria will go dark on March 4th. This comes after an agreement with Rogers to maintain CKMO's transmitting equipment for the past 10+ years came to an end and funding was not available for the station to continue operating on the AM band. Village 900 will continue on as an internet based station, but they will be sacrificing a ton of terrestrial radio listeners all up and down the West Coast who currently have access to that huge signal on 900.

http://www.villagenow.net/2012/02/village-900-embraces-evolution-to.html
 
WOW. I thought they were going to be doing this NEXT year!
 
I had heard recently that the entire operation was shutting down in a few weeks, due to lack of funding. The signal does cover a lot of ground, pretty good into metro Vancouver, and coastal parts of Seattle, and everywhere in between, but it's obvious the transmitter and grounding haven't been maintained to optimize its output for years. You get a mile inland on the Washington coast and their moderately strong signal along the shore melts into mush.

Seems like a lack of entrepreneurial spirit in this case in Canada is part of the problem, and I guess it's too late now to try to find a way to emulate non-comm radio funding in the US. I do hear commercials on CKMO during the Grizzlies hockey games, but that's it. Never heard any fundraising appeals to raise money on CKMO, and their website makes it appear they have a staff of one now. As much as I like a lot of the music (despite the mispronunciations of student announcers), I confess I forget to tune it, since the AM 900 signal gets buried by KIXI on Interstate 5 now.

I am a big fan of "world music," and remember when the PD at 96.1 CHKG in Vancouver tried to extend that format beyond the morning and midday dayparts on that big signal. I even have a CD he gave me of the world music artists they were promoting in 1998. In that attempt to create a world music "format," it sounds like he didn't have the backing of the Hong Kong-based ownership at Fairchild Media. I think it's all Mandarin-based and Hindi pop music in separate dayparts now. I just now realized the CHKG call letters probably stand for "Hong Kong."

Wonder if anyone else will try get the license for AM900? I suspect it will be another big AM to go dark for good. And that's really not good for our industry.
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
I had heard recently that the entire operation was shutting down in a few weeks, due to lack of funding. The signal does cover a lot of ground, pretty good into metro Vancouver, and coastal parts of Seattle, and everywhere in between, but it's obvious the transmitter and grounding haven't been maintained to optimize its output for years. You get a mile inland on the Washington coast and their moderately strong signal along the shore melts into mush.

Seems like a lack of entrepreneurial spirit in this case in Canada is part of the problem, and I guess it's too late now to try to find a way to emulate non-comm radio funding in the US. I do hear commercials on CKMO during the Grizzlies hockey games, but that's it. Never heard any fundraising appeals to raise money on CKMO, and their website makes it appear they have a staff of one now. As much as I like a lot of the music (despite the mispronunciations of student announcers), I confess I forget to tune it, since the AM 900 signal gets buried by KIXI on Interstate 5 now.

I am a big fan of "world music," and remember when the PD at 96.1 CHKG in Vancouver tried to extend that format beyond the morning and midday dayparts on that big signal. I even have a CD he gave me of the world music artists they were promoting in 1998. In that attempt to create a world music "format," it sounds like he didn't have the backing of the Hong Kong-based ownership at Fairchild Media. I think it's all Mandarin-based and Hindi pop music in separate dayparts now. I just now realized the CHKG call letters probably stand for "Hong Kong."

Wonder if anyone else will try get the license for AM900? I suspect it will be another big AM to go dark for good. And that's really not good for our industry.

I'll bet whoever bought 1110 in the hopes of beaming the signal back to Vancouver Island is probably SERIOUSLY kicking themselves now.........
 
After March 4th, you'll be able to hear CKBI Prince Albert, Sask after dark if you haven't heard them yet.

-crainbebo
 
After March 4th, you'll be able to hear CKBI Prince Albert, Sask after dark if you haven't heard them yet.

Also look out for KKRT Wentachee and KBIF Fresno around sunrise/sunset. I've logged both of these stations with CKMO on the air. CHML Hamilton has been known to pay a visit out this way every now & then too.
 
I've heard the Wenachee station with CKMO on the air, but flipped right away because I knew the signal wouldn't be reliable over CKMO. Hopefully another option to listen to the Mariners at night. I don't know if it's the radio we have or what, but KIRO fades in and out very badly at night. Note, this is the same radio I mentioned in the other thread about KPLZ coming in very badly on sometimes, not sure why that happens. Since the antena was taken off the wall last week, it hasn't happened. NOAA weather radio reception seems to be bad on both radios I have that pick it up.
 
>>After March 4th, you'll be able to hear CKBI Prince Albert, Sask

I wonder if they do a lot of "canned" programming?

-- faint drumroll, please. . .
 
Dan said:
After March 4th, you'll be able to hear CKBI Prince Albert, Sask after dark if you haven't heard them yet.

Also look out for KKRT Wentachee and KBIF Fresno around sunrise/sunset. I've logged both of these stations with CKMO on the air. CHML Hamilton has been known to pay a visit out this way every now & then too.

I have gotten KKRT and once got CHML (I was very surprised, they gave ID and I matched to their stream an old-time radio program, OVER Prince Albert).

bobdavcav said:
I've heard the Wenachee station with CKMO on the air, but flipped right away because I knew the signal wouldn't be reliable over CKMO. Hopefully another option to listen to the Mariners at night. I don't know if it's the radio we have or what, but KIRO fades in and out very badly at night. Note, this is the same radio I mentioned in the other thread about KPLZ coming in very badly on sometimes, not sure why that happens. Since the antena was taken off the wall last week, it hasn't happened. NOAA weather radio reception seems to be bad on both radios I have that pick it up.

KKRT is only 72w at night however, so you'd probably get a strong CKBI and not much else...

-crainbebo
 
Any idea about that radio I've got? At times I can't stand the reception on KIRO, it'll go really quiet, then go really loud and distorted, then repeat. Didn't follow the Ms much this year so don't know if it has happened lately, but it was really bad last season. Also why can reception vary so much even if the radio hasn't moved?
 
Well bobdavcav you need to get a very good radio to hear better reception. A Grundig G8 (~$50 at Radio Shack) is, and it has great FM reception (AM is not the greatest). The CCRadioSW looks good for AM-uses a Twin Coil Ferrite AM antenna internal (and it's $124.95 on CCRadio's website). I have a Grundig G5 for AM, but it has been discontinued...

-crainbebo
 
You mentioned that in another thread. It just perplexes me that both KOMO and KIRO are Clear Channels, and KOMO has a solid signal both day and night and KIRO fades in and out, and sometimes has a very annoying buzzing during the day.
 
Bob - depends what city you're in what the signals will be like, even if both transmitters are on Vashon Island. Have you tried rotating your radio to see if the AM710 signal improves, or changes? You might be in between two lobes of a directional nighttime pattern, whereas KOMO, I believe, runs a non-directional 50kw day and night.

I have an old tabletop radio I use everyday with an AM 'bar" antenna on top. Turning it 90 degrees one way or another does make many local AM signals sound different, and allows me to DX distant signals better. Your radio probably has an antenna built inside. Sometimes FM reception is affected by where your power cord lays, too.
 
Back when the old KIXI -- moved from 910 to 880 -- the open "area to locate" a new station on 910 - was a very small area in north Kitsap County - and an area over toward Mt Vernon. Not much of an area with any population. With the 900 gone -- the entire northern part of the sound might be open for a new station on 910.
 
MisterGort said:
Back when the old KIXI -- moved from 910 to 880 -- the open "area to locate" a new station on 910 - was a very small area in north Kitsap County - and an area over toward Mt Vernon. Not much of an area with any population. With the 900 gone -- the entire northern part of the sound might be open for a new station on 910.

Yes it will. But there's still KBAI 930. Although it's pretty much behind the "Bellingham Wall". But careful still.....

Because if any new Victoria station not only fires up, but re-energizes the 900 kHz frequency, you're screwed.

Because THEY (by international treaty), have FIRST rights to 900 kHz.

I personally would look to 840 or 860 kHz, with a pattern directly NORTH.

Just sayin'.....
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
Bob - depends what city you're in what the signals will be like, even if both transmitters are on Vashon Island. Have you tried rotating your radio to see if the AM710 signal improves, or changes? You might be in between two lobes of a directional nighttime pattern, whereas KOMO, I believe, runs a non-directional 50kw day and night.

Both KIRO and KOMO are non-directional daytime & directional at night.

Both stations' nighttime signals favor the northeast and southwest, with modestly deep nulls to the southeast and much broader nulls to the northwest.

KOMO is protecting Chicago -- their nulls point at that city.

KIRO's pattern is tilted somewhat more clockwise -- nulls more or less in the Denver direction -- although in theory they should be protecting New York.
 
I personally would look to 840 or 860 kHz, with a pattern directly NORTH.

Might be difficult Bongwater as 850 is still allocated to Abbotsford (once the former CFVR & CKMA).

As for 900, I can't really see anyone in Victoria being interested in re-energizing it. However if Bell Media was smart they might think about relocating CFAX 1070 to 900. Otherwise I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we see 900 re-allocated to the Vancouver area at some point in the future (like 1200 did back in 2005). Could be the home of a new Punjabi or Asian blowtorch.
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
Bob - depends what city you're in what the signals will be like, even if both transmitters are on Vashon Island. Have you tried rotating your radio to see if the AM710 signal improves, or changes? You might be in between two lobes of a directional nighttime pattern, whereas KOMO, I believe, runs a non-directional 50kw day and night.

I have an old tabletop radio I use everyday with an AM 'bar" antenna on top. Turning it 90 degrees one way or another does make many local AM signals sound different, and allows me to DX distant signals better. Your radio probably has an antenna built inside. Sometimes FM reception is affected by where your power cord lays, too.
I'll have to check that out. As I believe it was Dan that pointed out, both are directional. I'm north-northeast of the transmitters in Edmonds. Don't listen to am much outside of KOMO or the Mariners and the radio has been moved since the last time I stayed up to listen at night, so will give it a try. Sometimes especially on KPLZ and KCMS yes I know these are fm, the reception varies even if nothing has moved.
 
Dan said:
I personally would look to 840 or 860 kHz, with a pattern directly NORTH.

Might be difficult Bongwater as 850 is still allocated to Abbotsford (once the former CFVR & CKMA).

As for 900, I can't really see anyone in Victoria being interested in re-energizing it. However if Bell Media was smart they might think about relocating CFAX 1070 to 900. Otherwise I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we see 900 re-allocated to the Vancouver area at some point in the future (like 1200 did back in 2005). Could be the home of a new Punjabi or Asian blowtorch.

Thanks Dan. I stand corrected......
 
Maybe a low powered on 840. MAYBE. The existing 850 in BC and the fact that 860 is a CR -- Canadian Restricted channel. 710 also protects Sacramento area and Los Angeles. 910 has a problem with a double IF problem. 455 Khz times 2 = 910 Khz.
 
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