VSiN Betting on 98.9 HD2 and 3-6pm on KIXI 880

[crainbebo]

The other radio site says that sports betting, which you can't even do in Washington state, is coming to Seattle. KIXI will air 3 hours of VSiN weekdays as part of the contract.
Beginning of the end for Retro Radio K-I-X-I?

Hubbard & VSiN Bring Sports Betting To Seattle - RadioInsight

Hubbard Radio is launching VSiN's Sports Betting network on 98.9 KNUC-HD2 Seattle. As part of the deal, Talk/Standards 880 KIXI Mercer Island-Seattle will air the network's "VSiN Primetime" hosted by Tim Murray and Shaun King from 3-6pm and their "Action Updates" twice daily. VSiN, The Sports...

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[Kelly A]

Beginning of the end for Retro Radio K-I-X-I?

Let's hope so.
KGO went full time sports betting/fantasy sports. It could be a viable alternative for derelict AM stations like KIXI.

 

[fordranger797]

Well, that’s pretty sad. But KIXI has been a train wreck for quite some time. This format appears to be something that can be stuck virtually anywhere. I guess there are people out there who like to bet their hard earned money (and lose it).

 

[Kelly A]

Well, that’s pretty sad. But KIXI has been a train wreck for quite some time. This format appears to be something that can be stuck virtually anywhere. I guess there are people out there who like to bet their hard earned money (and lose it).

Sure, unlike people who like old musical standards yet won't actively support those who advertise on the station, are way less in number than people interested in sports, sports betting, and fantasy sports.

 

[fordranger797]

Sure, unlike people who like old musical standards yet won't actively support those who advertise on the station, are way less in number than people interested in sports, sports betting, and fantasy sports.

I blame that more on those in charge of KIXI being so opposed to any sort of innovation (going back a long time ago, before talk programming started becoming a growing part of the format). Not trying to suggest that music on 880 could be a huge success by any stretch of the imagination, but I cannot fathom how they thought that doing nothing was the solution.

Nothing wrong with being interested in fantasy sports, but sports betting can become a problem for a lot of people.

 

[Kelly A]

I blame that more on those in charge of KIXI being so opposed to any sort of innovation (going back a long time ago, before talk programming started becoming a growing part of the format).

Okay I'm curious.. What sort of innovation could one do on an AM station playing music of your life? Seems like that and the term "innovation" with an AM even a long time ago, don't exactly jibe.

Nothing wrong with being interested in fantasy sports, but sports betting can become a problem for a lot of people.

One could argue that right wing talk caters to a listener base prone to socially degenerative thoughts and behavior, yet nobody is concerned about that.

 

[fordranger797]

Okay I'm curious.. What sort of innovation could one do on an AM station playing music of your life? Seems like that and the term "innovation" with an AM even a long time ago, don't exactly jibe.

One could argue that right wing talk caters to a listener base prone to socially degenerative thoughts and behavior, yet nobody is concerned about that.

Well, I would have certainly tossed out the Music of Your Life format for anything remotely more marketable. Can’t fault them for running adult standards programming a long time ago, but I personally don’t see any market for standards in this day and age. They may have been better off just trying a classic hits format that focuses on music that is just slightly too old to be heard on KJEB. It wouldn’t be the most marketable format in town, but it’s better than playing what they are now.

I’m not seeing the correlation between right wing talk and sports betting that you’re seeing. Gambling can be addictive (depending on who you are). I’ve personally seen what happens when sports betting becomes addictive. It can quickly ruin your life, while you’re preoccupied with the notion that your next pick will be “the big win.” In reality, sports are somewhat a game of chance. Even the best team can have an off night. Why people want to throw money at this, I will never know.

 

[AuxRSS]

For the record, the only KIXI exposure of VSiN will be 4-5 PM on Fridays, which should be interesting when we go off DST and the station loses much of its signal coverage.

Every major station here, not just sports stations, features a heavy dose of casino ads begging you the listener to come down and gamble for fun. With sports gambling in fact legal in WA as of last year, the sportsbook is just another service to expand the market for these casinos. I doubt this hour of just-for-fun sports gambling talk on KIXI is going to cause any new problem gamblers.

 

[crainbebo]

Ah, I missed that. I think it's still illegal in CA (and a 50kw AM in SF runs betting programs).

 

[CTListener]

I blame that more on those in charge of KIXI being so opposed to any sort of innovation (going back a long time ago, before talk programming started becoming a growing part of the format). Not trying to suggest that music on 880 could be a huge success by any stretch of the imagination, but I cannot fathom how they thought that doing nothing was the solution.

Nothing wrong with being interested in fantasy sports, but sports betting can become a problem for a lot of people.

So can drinking, eating, smoking, porn ... how much of a nanny state do you want? Being smart enough to resist stuff that could shorten your life is survival of the fittest at its most basic. (And yes, I'm a lifelong Democrat. I'm a bit of a rogue when it comes to interfering with the pursuit of happiness when well-adjusted people will never be harmed by it.)

 

[The New Chico]

For the record, the only KIXI exposure of VSiN will be 4-5 PM on Fridays, which should be interesting when we go off DST and the station loses much of its signal coverage.

Every major station here, not just sports stations, features a heavy dose of casino ads begging you the listener to come down and gamble for fun. With sports gambling in fact legal in WA as of last year, the sportsbook is just another service to expand the market for these casinos. I doubt this hour of just-for-fun sports gambling talk on KIXI is going to cause any new problem gamblers.

Indeed sports books are legal at many of your finer native casinos in this state. Sports betting via app, which you certainly see advertised all over NFL games? Not yet in WA.

 

[fordranger797]

So can drinking, eating, smoking, porn ... how much of a nanny state do you want? Being smart enough to resist stuff that could shorten your life is survival of the fittest at its most basic. (And yes, I'm a lifelong Democrat. I'm a bit of a rogue when it comes to interfering with the pursuit of happiness when well-adjusted people will never be harmed by it.)

Fair enough, but you may think twice if you witnessed the power that gambling can have over someone. I don’t gamble, so I don’t care, but it does have an impact. Sports betting has happened since the creation of sports. The only difference here is that now there is tons of content to actively make the process easier. I’m pretty sure that the only people who can control the actual outcome of any game are the players (and perhaps the mob).

 

[CTListener]

Fair enough, but you may think twice if you witnessed the power that gambling can have over someone. I don’t gamble, so I don’t care, but it does have an impact. Sports betting has happened since the creation of sports. The only difference here is that now there is tons of content to actively make the process easier. I’m pretty sure that the only people who can control the actual outcome of any game are the players (and perhaps the mob).

I see the power every time I go to the convenience store and see the people in front of me buying $50 or more worth of scratch tickets, then sitting in front of the store or in their cars furiously scratching away. I enjoy horse racing and have been around people who bet huge amounts blindly on race after race, just to have some "action" constantly going. I know the arguments, that you never know if you'll become addicted until after you make that first bet. But again, that's the same as drinking or watching porn. The question is if the government should prohibit (or prohibit promotion of via advertising or radio/TV programming) the entertainment that results in addiction in a minority of those who enjoy it.

 

[DarrenVision]

to be clear only WA casinos most tribal owned can do sports betting but not the apps like VSIN owner Draftkings, Fanduel which has 2 tv networks, MGM and Caesars. Oregon only has Draftkings allowed thru the sponsorship deal with the Oregon lottery plus tribal casinos and bars. KGO made a pre midterms attempt to flip to sportsbetting radio to push voters for the Prop26vs27 battle on Nov. 8. Consider comparing how the Northwest does sportsbetting to what the expensive props on when will sportsbetting will be legalized.

 

[boombox4]

Being that Tribal casinos are maybe 30 minutes away from Seattle and Tacoma (well, Tacoma has one just next to their city limits, in Fife), and just across the Snohomish from Everett, it would seem that the state's stand against sports betting is probably not really working. Obviously, there is some market for sports betting radio here. Some of the guys on KJR talk about betting on teams, although they're talking in passing about it, it's obvious that they engage in the activity.

KGO seems to be doing OK so far, at least programming wise. They had a football game on one night. They've got CBS Sports talk. The Sports betting shows don't really knock me over, though. But it looks like their switching it up a bit, mixing regular sports talk with sports betting talk, and that probably is a better way to use the signal. I can see how a station could do that in the Seattle area. There are a lot of people here who gamble. The big casinos at Muckleshoot, Emerald Queen, Tulalip and Snoqualmie aren't exactly hurting for patrons -- and some gamblers even go to the casinos up north or down south towards Centralia.

 

[DarrenVision]

Being that Tribal casinos are maybe 30 minutes away from Seattle and Tacoma (well, Tacoma has one just next to their city limits, in Fife), and just across the Snohomish from Everett, it would seem that the state's stand against sports betting is probably not really working. Obviously, there is some market for sports betting radio here. Some of the guys on KJR talk about betting on teams, although they're talking in passing about it, it's obvious that they engage in the activity.

KGO seems to be doing OK so far, at least programming wise. They had a football game on one night. They've got CBS Sports talk. The Sports betting shows don't really knock me over, though. But it looks like their switching it up a bit, mixing regular sports talk with sports betting talk, and that probably is a better way to use the signal. I can see how a station could do that in the Seattle area. There are a lot of people here who gamble. The big casinos at Muckleshoot, Emerald Queen, Tulalip and Snoqualmie aren't exactly hurting for patrons -- and some gamblers even go to the casinos up north or down south towards Centralia.

I mean u got a new NHL team the Kraken, plus a loyal fanbase of the Sounders and Seahawks, and the Mariners lost on the first round of the playoffs added to be a contender for a new NBA franchise to bring back the Supersonics. U got the tech firms Amazon and Microsoft, 2 Boeing Plants, Starbucks, T-Mobile, and an airline hub competing between Alaska and Delta. Oregon on the other hand was stuck with DraftKings. The reason: exclusivity with the lottery handling all the sports betting and allowing just one app to cover the state.

 

[CTListener]

Oregon on the other hand was stuck with DraftKings. The reason: exclusivity with the lottery handling all the sports betting and allowing just one app to cover the state.

Connecticut's the same way. The lottery oversees sports betting and has an exclusive contract with Sugar House.

 

[Kelly A]

The big casinos at Muckleshoot, Emerald Queen, Tulalip and Snoqualmie aren't exactly hurting for patrons -- and some gamblers even go to the casinos up north or down south towards Centralia.

Exactly. Not sure why radio should be responsible to some sort of moral nanny standards. Personal accountability and responsibility for adults is the key. This isn't the 40's and 50's anymore. All forms of addiction are available to those susceptible to their grasp via the public Internet. Holding an AM radio station responsible as any sort of personal guidance of human behavior completely misses the greater impact.

 

[fordranger797]

I think there is one question that remains: will this show be more like a sports talk show with a betting element built in? Or, will it be a show that effectively tells you what you should bet money on? Not that it really matters, but I am curious.

 

[DarrenVision]

Connecticut's the same way. The lottery oversees sports betting and has an exclusive contract with Sugar House.

yea but they allow app competition from FanDuel and DraftKings along with their respective tribal casino sponsorship with both Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods.