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ways to improve reception of new englad radio stations

ok, I am back up at college now In a new dorm room. there is all of 5 radio stations that come in up here in the northeast kingdom. the problem I am having is I cannot get 105.1 wtos clearly like I did last year in my old dorm room. I am getting tos, just not clearly this time. the good thing is there is no "dorm florecent light" interfrence its just weak signal interfence from facing the wrong direction There is no ajacent frequency interference from 104.9 or 105.3 (to put into a factor) I am currently using a carver tx-11 tuner (with modified if's) with a 10db uhf amp connecting to the antenna On top of that a 12channel radio shack antenna. I was curious if you guys had any ideas or suggestion to improve reception or is that the strongest I can get on an indoor antenna. I am guessing its the best I can do but any Ideas would help thanks
 
> ok, I am back up at college now In a new dorm room. there is
> all of 5 radio stations that come in up here in the
> northeast kingdom. the problem I am having is I cannot get
> 105.1 wtos clearly like I did last year in my old dorm room.
> I am getting tos, just not clearly this time. the good thing
> is there is no "dorm florecent light" interfrence its just
> weak signal interfence from facing the wrong direction There
> is no ajacent frequency interference from 104.9 or 105.3 (to
> put into a factor) I am currently using a carver tx-11
> tuner (with modified if's) with a 10db uhf amp connecting to
> the antenna On top of that a 12channel radio shack antenna.
> I was curious if you guys had any ideas or suggestion to
> improve reception or is that the strongest I can get on an
> indoor antenna. I am guessing its the best I can do but any
> Ideas would help thanks
>

You're getting better at using more periods, son! My question to you is, with all the badmouthing you do of WTOS and "what Clear Channel/corporate radio did to it," why would you WANT to pick up WTOS?
 
haha lol yes agreed clearchannel sucks but I have nothing else to listen to when I am not doing my radio show plus k-rock in nyc is worse so tos ain't that bad as Infinity's rock station in nyc.

> > ok, I am back up at college now In a new dorm room. there
> is
> > all of 5 radio stations that come in up here in the
> > northeast kingdom. the problem I am having is I cannot get
>
> > 105.1 wtos clearly like I did last year in my old dorm
> room.
> > I am getting tos, just not clearly this time. the good
> thing
> > is there is no "dorm florecent light" interfrence its just
>
> > weak signal interfence from facing the wrong direction
> There
> > is no ajacent frequency interference from 104.9 or 105.3
> (to
> > put into a factor) I am currently using a carver tx-11
> > tuner (with modified if's) with a 10db uhf amp connecting
> to
> > the antenna On top of that a 12channel radio shack
> antenna.
> > I was curious if you guys had any ideas or suggestion to
> > improve reception or is that the strongest I can get on an
>
> > indoor antenna. I am guessing its the best I can do but
> any
> > Ideas would help thanks
> >
>
> You're getting better at using more periods, son! My
> question to you is, with all the badmouthing you do of WTOS
> and "what Clear Channel/corporate radio did to it," why
> would you WANT to pick up WTOS?
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Ozman on 08/30/05 01:53 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> I am currently using a carver tx-11
> tuner (with modified if's) with a 10db uhf amp connecting to
> the antenna

Well theres one problem. The FM band is smack in the middle of the VHF band. A UHF amplifier probably isn't broadband enough to help the FMs on the VHF.
 
whoops I am an idot as usual, I meant vhf. I think I need to go back to 6th grade or boyscouts, and learn all the communication band's again.
any other Ideas would help if you got any but I think I'm sol
thanks for the help
-OZ
> > I am currently using a carver tx-11
> > tuner (with modified if's) with a 10db uhf amp connecting
> to
> > the antenna
>
> Well theres one problem. The FM band is smack in the middle
> of the VHF band. A UHF amplifier probably isn't broadband
> enough to help the FMs on the VHF.
>
 
> haha lol yes agreed clearchannel sucks but I have nothing
> else to listen to when I am not doing my radio show plus
> k-rock in nyc is worse so tos ain't that bad a Infinity's I
> am used to listening to so

Clear Channel provides a lot of people with careers (myself included.) They don't suck.

Back on the Lyndon State station? If so, good for you. Behave yourself this time.<P ID="signature">______________
"Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?"</P>
 
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The following is from Vermont Public Radio's website...
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Suggestions for Improving Reception

Treat your FM reception as you would television.
At home, put up a good, directional, rooftop FM antenna, the larger the better (they are not expensive).
Use fully shielded coaxial cable from the antenna to the set, not ribbon cable, and use appropriate adapters to connect it to your antenna and set.
Consider a rotor to permit you to aim the antenna at the desired radio station.
Buy the largest FM antenna you can afford. In this case bigger is better!
Avoid indoor antennas as they are subject to drifting performance as you move about the room and will pick up interference from personal computers, TV's, radios and other appliances.
The ribbon "T" type antenna that is packed with most hi-fi sets is grossly inadequate and will work with only the strongest local signals.
Clock radios, portables or boom boxes without terminals for external antennas will not perform well at home unless you are quite close to the radio station or have an unusually clear path to it.
Most cable companies pay little attention to FM reception so you may find that VPR is not good on the cable. If so, do not connect your FM radio to your cable system. You can usually do better with your own roof top FM antenna.
Automotive reception is very problematical due to the hilly terrain. Look for car radios that have mono/stereo switches. Best reception is in monaural.
A few of the premium factory equipped car stereos have diversity antenna reception. Only two after market car radio manufacturers currently offer it. The diversity system uses two antennas on the car and constantly compares reception on both, switching the better one to the radio. This eliminates about 80-90% of the multi-path picket fence distortion of a moving vehicle.
Trouble-shooting Tips for Poor Reception

Reposition the radio and/or antenna.
Try another radio.
Inspect your antenna connections in back of the set and on the roof for looseness and any corrosion.
Try another antenna.
Use a battery portable radio to sniff out the source of interference.
Use it to check out the nearby utility poles, or neighbors house, or your own abode.
Turn off the power at your main service panel and again listen on your battery radio, did the interference stop? If so the culprit is in your own home.
Compare your reception to that of nearby friends and neighbors. Are you all having the same problem?
Keep a log of time of day and day of week for intermittent interference. This can give you clues as to who is producing the interference.
If your reception has suddenly become poor, ask yourself what might have changed in your vicinity?
Did you alter your antenna connections?
Did you add or remove a set?
Did you move some furniture, especially a metal cabinet?
Did you buy a new appliance?
Is there new construction in the neighborhood?
Did a new radio or TV station go on the air?
Did your neighbor put up a new antenna, maybe for CB?
Has the cable company strung new lines or done any other repairs?
Has it rained a lot?
Was it icy or windy recently?

These can provide clues as to what might have changed.
To Summarize
Indoor antennas of any style are inferior to large roof top Yagi style antennas. For best results put up an FM antenna with a rotor.

Use only shielded type RG-59 coaxial cable between the antenna and the set.

If your set is equipped for only 300 ohm ribbon type cable, buy the appropriate matching transformer to mate it with the coaxial style cable. (Your local TV/ Electronics dealer can help get you the right materials).

If your radio does not have provisions for an external antenna connection, consider replacing it with a better radio that is so equipped.

If you are plagued by interference, prepare to do some detective work. Swap radios and antennas. Talk to the neighbors. Borrow a battery radio and survey your home and the neighborhood for the source of the problem.

<P ID="signature">______________
"What's That?" "French Horns!"

</P>
 
>
> The following is from Vermont Public Radio's website...
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> Suggestions for Improving Reception
>
> Treat your FM reception as you would television.
> At home, put up a good, directional, rooftop FM antenna

I think the point was that he's not allowed to put a roof antenna on top of his college dorm, just as I'm not allowed to put a roof antenna on top of the apartment house I live in. That's not an option for many people who don't own their own dwellings.

I find that I obtain the best indoor FM reception with the cheapest basic free standing (with it's own base) TV "rabbit ears". Start with the arms in a wide "V", each one extended to about 31 inches, then from there experiment with different placements and lengths for best reception.

If there are a lot of interference sources inside the room or building, try placing the receiver and antenna near a window.

Also, if you have a receiver with two conventional screw-on antenna terminals rather than one push-on coaxial connector, try to find an antenna with two connectors rather than using an adaptor on an antenna with a coaxial plug (and vice versa if your receiver has a single coaxial connector). Although it doesn't make sense, for some reason, I always find a lot of signal loss in even the simplest, smallest adaptors, even when they're apparently simply a direct connection.
 
I like your Idea.. the problem with connecting it directly with the two connectors is I cannot find a 12 channel changer amplified antenna on the market still with the two connectors but I do think your Idea might work. do you know of any? Do any of you use the large indoor/outdoor antenna? I was curious to know because I might consider doing that. thanks for the imput it does help.
Btw As for the college station yes I do want to be on it. but I don't know if I can fit it with my current class scedule. I hope I can.

> >
> > The following is from Vermont Public Radio's website...
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Suggestions for Improving Reception
> >
> > Treat your FM reception as you would television.
> > At home, put up a good, directional, rooftop FM antenna
>
> I think the point was that he's not allowed to put a roof
> antenna on top of his college dorm, just as I'm not allowed
> to put a roof antenna on top of the apartment house I live
> in. That's not an option for many people who don't own their
> own dwellings.
>
> I find that I obtain the best indoor FM reception with the
> cheapest basic free standing (with it's own base) TV "rabbit
> ears". Start with the arms in a wide "V", each one extended
> to about 31 inches, then from there experiment with
> different placements and lengths for best reception.
>
> If there are a lot of interference sources inside the room
> or building, try placing the receiver and antenna near a
> window.
>
> Also, if you have a receiver with two conventional screw-on
> antenna terminals rather than one push-on coaxial connector,
> try to find an antenna with two connectors rather than using
> an adaptor on an antenna with a coaxial plug (and vice versa
> if your receiver has a single coaxial connector). Although
> it doesn't make sense, for some reason, I always find a lot
> of signal loss in even the simplest, smallest adaptors, even
> when they're apparently simply a direct connection.
>
 
ok you got me there. who knows I could end up working there one day.
they just suck when it comes to a set playlist or changing formats. I do exclude q104.3 in nyc because they play some great tunes, but after they pulled the stunt with 105.9 whcn in ct, 104.1 wmrq in ct also and 92.9 rock saugreties ny, all stations I used to like to listen to (up at boarding school) in the litchfield hills then you know how I'd feel I guess. thank god for wccc 106.9 in ct. As for tos its just a scared feeling that clear channel could just pull the plug one day with no warning. For now I guss Just deal with it. they play better music then some other markets.

> > haha lol yes agreed clearchannel sucks but I have nothing
> > else to listen to when I am not doing my radio show plus
> > k-rock in nyc is worse so tos ain't that bad a Infinity's
> I
> > am used to listening to so
>
> Clear Channel provides a lot of people with careers (myself
> included.) They don't suck.
>
> Back on the Lyndon State station? If so, good for you.
> Behave yourself this time.
>
 
What dorm are you in up there?

I can't imagine an amp helping. I lived in Wheelock for three years on the first floor, and most of the interference for FM-DX came from 'LR's stick and from 'GMT when they came on.

Having said that, you should get decent reception with a good radio, a GE Superradio is stereo with headphones.
 
rogers 2nd floor facing northwest. I am guessing the big problem I am having I guess the 40 degree angle bounce of radio waves off the buildings here cousing the signal to be blocked. thats whats probably giving me so much truble. would anyone agree with that? I'll Have to give the ge superradio a try.
drop me an e-mail
> What dorm are you in up there?
>
> I can't imagine an amp helping. I lived in Wheelock for
> three years on the first floor, and most of the interference
> for FM-DX came from 'LR's stick and from 'GMT when they came
> on.
>
> Having said that, you should get decent reception with a
> good radio, a GE Superradio is stereo with headphones.
>
 
> rogers 2nd floor facing northwest. I am guessing the big
> problem I am having I guess the 40 degree angle bounce of
> radio waves off the buildings here cousing the signal to be
> blocked. thats whats probably giving me so much truble.
> would anyone agree with that? I'll Have to give the ge
> superradio a try.
> drop me an e-mail
> > What dorm are you in up there?
> >
> > I can't imagine an amp helping. I lived in Wheelock for
> > three years on the first floor, and most of the
> interference
> > for FM-DX came from 'LR's stick and from 'GMT when they
> came
> > on.
> >
> > Having said that, you should get decent reception with a
> > good radio, a GE Superradio is stereo with headphones.

Your in a tough spot for reception. Your probably getting interference from Kool 105 (co-channel) in Plattsburgh. Being familiar to your cause, your probably facing the WWLR antenna. The best dorms for reception are the ones that face the mountain, and face away to the south. It's amazing what you can pick up at the "Harvard on the Hill". Do they still offer "Cable FM" for those who are signal impaired ?
> >
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Wilson on 09/01/05 09:38 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> > rogers 2nd floor facing northwest. I am guessing the big
> > problem I am having I guess the 40 degree angle bounce of
> > radio waves off the buildings here cousing the signal to
> be
> > blocked. thats whats probably giving me so much truble.
> > would anyone agree with that? I'll Have to give the ge
> > superradio a try.
> > drop me an e-mail
> > > What dorm are you in up there?
> > >
> > > I can't imagine an amp helping. I lived in Wheelock for
> > > three years on the first floor, and most of the
> > interference
> > > for FM-DX came from 'LR's stick and from 'GMT when they
> > came
> > > on.
> > >
> > > Having said that, you should get decent reception with a
>
> > > good radio, a GE Superradio is stereo with headphones.
>
> Your in a tough spot for reception. Your probably getting
> interference from Kool 105 (co-channel) in Plattsburgh.
> Being familiar to your cause, your probably facing the WWLR
> antenna. The best dorms for reception are the ones that face
> the mountain, and face away to the south. It's amazing what
> you can pick up at the "Harvard on the Hill". Do they still
> offer "Cable FM" for those who are signal impaired ?
> > >
> >
>


I am not sure about the "Cable FM", but I do know you can pick up Jammin' 94.5 from Boston perfectly in many locations by the tennis courts and even in the larege res hall (Stonehenge) parking lot. For whatever reason, with a weak tuner you can also get WWLR on that frequency lol. The spectrum analyzer showed nothing from our TX on 94.5...so it is one of those flukes..just like picking up Jammin' is.
 
> > > rogers 2nd floor facing northwest. I am guessing the big
>
> > > problem I am having I guess the 40 degree angle bounce
> of
> > > radio waves off the buildings here cousing the signal to
>
> > be
> > > blocked. thats whats probably giving me so much truble.
> > > would anyone agree with that? I'll Have to give the ge
> > > superradio a try.
> > > drop me an e-mail
> > > > What dorm are you in up there?
> > > >
> > > > I can't imagine an amp helping. I lived in Wheelock
> for
> > > > three years on the first floor, and most of the
> > > interference
> > > > for FM-DX came from 'LR's stick and from 'GMT when
> they
> > > came
> > > > on.
> > > >
> > > > Having said that, you should get decent reception with
> a
> >
> > > > good radio, a GE Superradio is stereo with headphones.
>
> >
> > Your in a tough spot for reception. Your probably getting
> > interference from Kool 105 (co-channel) in Plattsburgh.
> > Being familiar to your cause, your probably facing the
> WWLR
> > antenna. The best dorms for reception are the ones that
> face
> > the mountain, and face away to the south. It's amazing
> what
> > you can pick up at the "Harvard on the Hill". Do they
> still
> > offer "Cable FM" for those who are signal impaired ?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> I am not sure about the "Cable FM", but I do know you can
> pick up Jammin' 94.5 from Boston perfectly in many locations
> by the tennis courts and even in the larege res hall
> (Stonehenge) parking lot. For whatever reason, with a weak
> tuner you can also get WWLR on that frequency lol. The
> spectrum analyzer showed nothing from our TX on 94.5...so it
> is one of those flukes..just like picking up Jammin' is.

Once upon a time in a galaxy far far away the cable system up there offered "FM Cable" when the signal was split, with one way going to your receiver. Offerings at the time included CHOM, (I know that's all done), CJFM, WOKQ (before PKQ), the old WIGY, and a lots of other good stuff. Helped things out in a huge way, f you were in a valley.
>
 
yeah I have clocked get jamn 95.6 and wbcn in st jay. but unforately not on a daily basis. so far I am still trying to fiddle getting wtos clearly. with the carver tuner, I don't get interference from wwlr at all. the oldies station doesn't seem to be interfering at all so at this point I just need an antenna to pull in the signal to see if that works

> > > > rogers 2nd floor facing northwest. I am guessing the
> big
> >
> > > > problem I am having I guess the 40 degree angle bounce
>
> > of
> > > > radio waves off the buildings here cousing the signal
> to
> >
> > > be
> > > > blocked. thats whats probably giving me so much
> truble.
> > > > would anyone agree with that? I'll Have to give the ge
>
> > > > superradio a try.
> > > > drop me an e-mail
> > > > > What dorm are you in up there?
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't imagine an amp helping. I lived in Wheelock
> > for
> > > > > three years on the first floor, and most of the
> > > > interference
> > > > > for FM-DX came from 'LR's stick and from 'GMT when
> > they
> > > > came
> > > > > on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having said that, you should get decent reception
> with
> > a
> > >
> > > > > good radio, a GE Superradio is stereo with
> headphones.
> >
> > >
> > > Your in a tough spot for reception. Your probably
> getting
> > > interference from Kool 105 (co-channel) in Plattsburgh.
> > > Being familiar to your cause, your probably facing the
> > WWLR
> > > antenna. The best dorms for reception are the ones that
> > face
> > > the mountain, and face away to the south. It's amazing
> > what
> > > you can pick up at the "Harvard on the Hill". Do they
> > still
> > > offer "Cable FM" for those who are signal impaired ?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > I am not sure about the "Cable FM", but I do know you can
> > pick up Jammin' 94.5 from Boston perfectly in many
> locations
> > by the tennis courts and even in the larege res hall
> > (Stonehenge) parking lot. For whatever reason, with a weak
>
> > tuner you can also get WWLR on that frequency lol. The
> > spectrum analyzer showed nothing from our TX on 94.5...so
> it
> > is one of those flukes..just like picking up Jammin' is.
>
> Once upon a time in a galaxy far far away the cable system
> up there offered "FM Cable" when the signal was split, with
> one way going to your receiver. Offerings at the time
> included CHOM, (I know that's all done), CJFM, WOKQ (before
> PKQ), the old WIGY, and a lots of other good stuff. Helped
> things out in a huge way, f you were in a valley.
> >
>
 
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