We FINALLY got an “HD” radio in the office - WE were unimpressed...

[LinoNYC]

I’ll casually dismiss the rest of your post as your love and dependence upon the tools-of-your-trade: personal attack; resume comparison; and professional minimization... You invoke them constantly when you FAIL to conjure a cogent argument... I’m NOT biting... Especially when my “call letters” WERE [ten years ago] in a small market well-west of the Hudson, and I’m sure would be “unimpressive” to you... If you hope that I’ll enjoy joining your pathetic attacks on Bob Savage and his station in your despised upstate New York—you are sadly mistaken! ...Merely understand that I OWNED four radio stations for TEN YEARS that I favorably-sold in a “bidding war” among THREE competitors after signage of the TelComm Act... And your background, Lino, is?

Is that what they are? Gee I thought all I was doing was asking you to give provenance for your claims of " superior audio", "compelling content" and your engineering expertise.

You also fill an entire post with "facts" that you offer no references or other proof.

You may have some connection to the industry but your responses to this topic are that of a frustrated DX'er-layman.

Here are some facts:

-IBOC is a legal approved system for hybrid-mode digital radio in the USA.

-Nine other countries have either approved/adopted or are experimenting with the system.

-Radios are being preduced in increasing numbers and product diversity.

-Major chip maker(s) are working on the next generation of IC's which will feature improved performance.

-Over 1200 FM stations in the USA have adopted iboc, some 240 AM stations FCC:http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/sta_list.pl[/ur]l Lino

 

[hipporadio]

Oh get “real” Lino... My “excitement” for “DX” faded by the time I turned THIRTY... MAN [sometimes] I wish I was THIRTY again [might we all]?

You keep bringing up my prior operation... OK...

MY audio chain... ON TWO FMs [circa early/mid 90s]: Aphex Compellor > Audio Prisims > [modified] Opitmod 8100A > 909C STL > Somich composite proc with 19kHz insertion at-site > BE FX-50 exciter > Harris “HT” rigs [8 and 12-kw]... ON AM: CRL on the ESPN station; an Opimod 9100 on the Oldies outlet into an MW-1 and Gates-1 AM transmitters. Just a bit beyond the Shure Level-Lock and Audimax procs you accused me of, RIGHT? I forgot, you frequently post here BEFORE you have the FACTS!

My “content”: A heritage AOR [at 6kw, and lagged a 100kw Country station by a mere .5 share] and alternative-rock FM introduced in 1994—BOTH survive under new ownership today... On AM: an Oldies and ESPN AM which continue to this day also.

My entire post was filled with “FACTS”... ‘Sorry you couldn’t [or WOULDN’T] handle them!

 

[clouseau]

Re: A slightly Hippo-Critical assertion???

YEPPERS, two of “The Three Stooges” of “corporate” and “HD” radio have weighed-in with their banal [and personal] attacks ...

I swear you could not write funnier stuff. Maybe the Hollywood writers are moonlighting during the strike..

Still, despite the bloviating, Zechino-like feel to your opening post, you manage to get from Program Director's body hair (ewww!) to denouncing Bob Orban's opinions on radio audio in just a couple of sentences. While you did include criticiaum of HD's "Sound", conspicuously absent is the oft-repeated "lousy Coverage" complaint. Apparently it worked well enough for you to hear it. I can only surmise since you did mange to malign those who actually work in radio as wannabees, you certainly had the column inches to make such an assertion about reception, had it even crossed your mind.

As for the identiy of the "Third Stooge", I couldn't say who you referring to. Might be RM100, Might be Mike Walker... Might be me. I'll cheerfully accept that.

Actually weren't there 5 different Stooges. Larry, Curly, Moe, Shemp and Joe? Now if they'd have had an agent like we would have today.... You intended offense falls way short.

Sorry, but the eloquence of the Stooges reference is.... well, fairly well silly.

Maybe So So can get you a "Hurricane Hollar" instead.

Clouseau

 

[LinoNYC]

Oh get “real” Lino... My “excitement” for “DX” faded by the time I turned THIRTY... MAN [sometimes] I wish I was THIRTY again [might we all]?

You keep bringing up my prior operation... OK...

MY audio chain... ON TWO FMs [circa early/mid 90s]: Aphex Compellor > Audio Prisims > [modified] Opitmod 8100A > 909C STL > Somich composite proc with 19kHz insertion at-site > BE FX-50 exciter > Harris “HT” rigs [8 and 12-kw]... ON AM: CRL on the ESPN station; an Opimod 9100 on the Oldies outlet into an MW-1 and Gates-1 AM transmitters. Just a bit beyond the Shure Level-Lock and Audimax procs you accused me of, RIGHT? I forgot, you frequently post here BEFORE you have the FACTS!

My “content”: A heritage AOR [at 6kw, and lagged a 100kw Country station by a mere .5 share] and alternative-rock FM introduced in 1994—BOTH survive under new ownership today... On AM: an Oldies and ESPN AM which continue to this day also.

My entire post was filled with “FACTS”... ‘Sorry you couldn’t [or WOULDN’T] handle them!

You keep bringing up my prior operation... OK...

No, you are the one making claims on this and failing to provide substance.

MY audio chain... ON TWO FMs [circa early/mid 90s]

Oh boy, now you've got my head spinning...are we talking about the "early-to-mid 1990's" or the claimed event where you "have sauntered into a transmitter shack ‘n dialed in my preference on a nice stack of analog gear, and produced competitive modulation AND AUDIO QUALITY"

Not that it matters, you haven't given any specifics on these "stations" and the equipment you cite could be quoted from any of these hobby boards.

Here's how this works; When someone comes to a public forum and posts comments that they claim as factual they need to provide citation if they are to be taken seriously.

My entire post was filled with “FACTS”... ‘Sorry you couldn’t [or WOULDN’T] handle them!

-It's more like, not accepting deception when the facts don't suit your purpose.

Opinions are not facts.

Lino

 

[hipporadio]

‘Seems I’m attracting the BANE of ALL the HD algologists here – including the FORMERLY-venerable “Inspector”... ‘Bring it on in the face of their “apology” that is reconciled by the FACT that their industry IS IN THE TANK... And probably NOT coming back! I’m a seasoned debater—I can “handle-it” thank-you!

The attacks are oriented to oppose my FACTUAL and COGENT assults on the outright FRUAD of iBiquity’s “science fair project”—they CAN’T seem to deal with that... THE TRUTH evades and inflicts extreme pain on them... HOW can “corporate radio be wrong” and how can simple sales figures be so-wrong? THEY AREN'T! To the point that they attack anyone who posts the obvious here results in OBVIOUS personal invective [possibly, it's their ONLY desperate choice] - little else is left to their meager disposal.

Dealing with this [for me] is little-more than sliding-on underwear – ‘comes naturally! “Typical” in the egocentric radio biz; but orbiters here need to understand that THIS TECHNOLOGY IS GOING NOWHERE – not “in” or “out” of this industry... “HD” was a “NON-STARTER” and a non achiever! It is radio’s BIGGEST black eye!

Those of us who have left the business for opportunities in industries related to “plain ‘ole folks” buying the radios at WalMart surly understand this VERY BASIC premise! Those left to “dream-on” in the corporate radio kingdom can continue their malaise until... Oh, BTW, I DON’T live on a Key in Florida [as the “Corporates” would desperately-allege]... YES, their attacks have gotten that ridiculous!

And, BTW... Lino is deserving of the term his cohert, Mr Clouseau, casually-called an accomplished industry profesional [Mr. Gorman]... See, what goes around - comes around!

 

[clouseau]

FORMERLY-venerable “Inspector”

‘Bring it on...

I’m a seasoned debater

The attacks...

my assults

inflicts extreme pain...

they attack anyone...

their attacks.

his cohert, Mr Clouseau,

Look. It's fairly obvious to me that you are coming at this from an advasarial mindset I can't even imagine. Judging from the previous excerpts, it appears you are conducting a war.

One period, One Question Mark and nine exclamation points? Enhance you calm, fair Potamus.

Somehow

Still, despite the bloviating, Zechino-like feel to your opening post,...

turned into

I DON’T live on a Key in Florida [as the “Corporates” would desperately-allege]... YES, their attacks have gotten that ridiculous!

Well I DO work for a corporation, so I guess I AM a "corporate".

As for the Thumping on my chest and proclaiming how well you can "Handle it", have at it. Most are here for a discussion. You appear to be conducting a war.

Good luck with that. Let me know how it turns out.

Clouseau

 

[LinoNYC]

Those of us who have left the business for opportunities in industries related to “plain ‘ole folks” buying the radios at WalMart surly understand this VERY BASIC premise! Those left to “dream-on” in the corporate radio kingdom can continue their malaise until... Oh, BTW, I DON’T live on a Key in Florida [as the “Corporates” would desperately-allege]... YES, their attacks have gotten that ridiculous!

And, BTW... Lino is deserving of the term his cohert, Mr Clouseau, casually-called an accomplished industry profesional [Mr. Gorman]... See, what goes around - comes around!

Those of us who have left the business

Yeah, that's what I figured.

Those left to “dream-on” in the corporate radio kingdom can continue their malaise until...

-So, those who remain in radio, believe in a technology that will help keep radio technically viable, are wasting their time? I know where this mindset comes from but out of kindness I'll skip going into it.

Oh, BTW, I DON’T live on a Key in Florida

-Really?, only the webmaster knows for sure.

And for those mean 'ol' “Corporates” -they don't care, or know anything about you (or me).

Lino is deserving of the term his cohert, Mr Clouseau, casually-called an accomplished industry profesional [Mr. Gorman]

I've been LMAO imagining what that might be........

from what I've read, Mr. Clouseau would be a good cohort.

C'est fini
Lino

 

[hipporadio]

Look. It's fairly obvious to me that you are coming at this from an advasarial mindset I can't even imagine. Judging from the previous excerpts, it appears you are conducting a war...

“Conducting a WAR”... PLEASE, don’t award-yourself [or ME] with THAT MUCH CREDIT, Mr. Inspector My problem with “HD” is VERY SIMPLE—It DOESN’T work and is a "purple-pepper" in the produce department of your local Kroger - where 90-percent opt for GREEN peppers. "HD" has engaged VERY-FEW explorers in the broader consumer community... For ALL of my life, I have been an "early adoptor" - NOT SO when it comes to HD Radio... In-fact, this is THE FIRST technology that I have failed to adopt as a trendsetter! Interesting, that I'm FAR from the only one with that obsevation! "HD Radio" has enjoyed THE WORST consumer-technology launch in the history of that broad medium [SERIOUSLY!]... ‘Sometimes I wish iNiquity would hire me – but NOT... I have NEVER “made my way” by LYING, and don’t plan to start... LOL and ROTF... "HD Radio" in its present skeleton has VERY-LITTLE to offer the broader consumer public... PLEASE, believe me when I shed my "radio boots" and put-on my FAR-MORE rewarding "Marketing shoes" and say: THIS ISN'T MAKING IT!!

The "Three [or FIVE] Stooges" can continue to come here and ritualitically-defend, on a DAILY basis, FAILED "HD Radio" - Calling otherwise GOOD PEOPLE and PROFESSIONALS they HAVE NEVER MET - "Names"... Hey, continue to knock yourselves out while the stock in your fabled companies continues to sink... WHEN will you finally get the mesage?

 

[Tom Wells]

HD not happening here in Baton Rouge

I'm on my third week here in Baton Rouge. Every day I've driven past Dave's car stereo store, and been meaning to stop in.

Today I did after work. One HD-ready radio in the display wall, and no HD head unit on the premises.

In a short talk with the manager, he related that no one is asking about HD, and they haven't been asked to order any of the
HD head units.

On Sunday, I bought some USB-powered speakers for my laptop at Best Buy.
A sales associate there had the same story to tell. None sold, no one asking about it ( in his experience ).

"Just the facts, ma'am, we just want to get the facts."


Don't know if there are any HD FMs here, but the only HD AM I've heard was 1450 in New Orleans.

On the other hand I haven't turned on the Sirius satellite band since I found KROF 960 AM "The Gator", with a mix of
Cajun, Zydeco, swamp pop, and Oldies.
Heard one of my own favorite old 78's being played, Jole Blon by Harry Choates, and was singing along at full volume.
Even though it's only live from 6-10 AM, and automated other hours, in a building with 7 stations originating there,
it is a station that sounds like it IS where it is, and not a faceless, nameless outlet for more of the same old same old.
Sounds awful due to being 1000 watts from 60 miles away (Lafeyette, LA) in a lot of places here in BR, but I'm still listening
FOR THE CONTENT. The web stream sounds like a speaker with a torn whizzer cone, but still worth listening to for the content.
I tried the laptop-to-input jack on the car radio, which has some real raspiness due to low bitrate, but it drops stream quite a bit.
Their server crashed Sunday night and they were dead carrier until Monday afternoon, and I'll forgive them because they
are so good. Talked with the live air guy last wednesday, and told them how much I was enjoying them.
We discussed obscure and off the beaten path music, and he told me there haven't been any complaints about the widely varied
content. Oh, and they've received many COMPLIMENTS on their format.

Once again, it's content, not mode or "bad AM analog quality" making all the difference in the world.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: HD not happening here in Baton Rouge

In a short talk with the manager, he related that no one is asking about HD, and they haven't been asked to order any of the
HD head units.

In my quest to see if I can net 110 mile HD DX, I stopped into my local Home Depot to buy some antenna mast extensions - maybe more height on the antenna will help. Antenna hardware is NOT easy to find. But when I explained it was for HD radio - and mentioned it took an antenna to get it - he immediately agreed. He has heard of HD radio - they have had other people in there buying antennas for it. I've been saying, kind of facetiously, kind of sarcastically - that HD radio will make DX'ers out of suburbanites. Or that HD advocates ought to enlist DX'er support to make their system work. I only half believed it, because the overwhelming majority of users - if they use the supplied dipole antenna at all, leave it on the floor tangled up in power and signal cables. Apparently, there is a small, but devoted group of HD users that are actually willing to buy antennas and antenna hardware to get it. I am a bit surprised to say the least, I had assumed in today's cable / satellite TV world, antennas were rapidly becoming anachronisms.

The Sangean HDT-1X, by the way, is a decent DX unit for analog FM, netting my usual crowd of semi-rimshots with ease, and it is more selective than the tuner it replaced. It is not the most sensitive unit I own, but does a respectable job. I've done 180 miles with ease. Of more use, though, are first adjacents that offer formats not offered on local stations.

 

[Play Freebird]

Re: HD not happening here in Baton Rouge

In my quest to see if I can net 110 mile HD DX, I stopped into my local Home Depot to buy some antenna mast extensions - maybe more height on the antenna will help. Antenna hardware is NOT easy to find. But when I explained it was for HD radio - and mentioned it took an antenna to get it - he immediately agreed. He has heard of HD radio - they have had other people in there buying antennas for it.

Isn't it remarkable that the kids who work at Circuit City and the other consumer electronics stores don't have a clue about HD, but Home Depot employees have heard all about it?

The HD cartel should forget BMW and Jaguar, stop marketing their overpriced radios in boutique stores like The Sharper Image and start talking to DeWALT, Home Depot and Lowe's. If the radio doubles as a Ni-Cad battery charger, it won't become obsolete next year.

 

[JohnnyElectron]

IF anything good comes out of the whole HD radio situation, it is that they've finally made a tuner that can receive FM FIRST adjacents - stations I haven't been able to listen to in my car, or at home (unless you've got a Fanfare tuner) in the last 15 years! Now, if they just had a manual AM bandwidth switch, I would be one happy camper with my two HD rigs listening to analog stations!

 

[hipporadio1]

yeah right

 

[hipporadio]

Now here’s the latest little “gem” I came-upon in my continuing pursuit of industry education – possibly, so I can perform my basic job responsibilities with a bit more eloquence... This one from “nerve central” of corporate radio—the “venerable” and pro-industry, Radio Ink!

Read it ‘n weep...

“But HD receiver sales have been disappointing, Goss says. "As 2007 began," he writes, "hopes were high that the number of HD Radios sold during the year would reach the 1 million mark. Our impression is that the actual unit sell-through was only about half that total." He says getting HD Radio in cars has been a "great challenge"

So WHO’s “conducting a war” here... Maybe the magazine-apologists for your industry? Certainly, the poor resume-deficient Uncle Hippo must pale in comparison to this glossy published apology to corporate radio – and consider what they [somehow] felt compelled to put in print - and the interesting potential consequences... Possibly "The Truth" overcomes the politics as Radio Ink goes to press!

...More “Unfortunate Perspective” on “HD” radio!

 

[wikhradio]

Well if there were more viable content on the secondary HD channels, especially stuff people want, then it could help spir HD radio. In the market I live in, there is the public radio station that has HD radio, as well as one other radio station. The other radio station is a commercial station, however no secondary channels. Personally, I don't see myself getting HD radio until there is programming that is viable to me on the secondary channels, if there will be any ever in this market.

 

[hipporadio]

Bingo, WIKH... This is the NUMBER ONE feedback we receive in consumer marketing in regards to the consumer’s “thumbs-down” on HD radio – uncompelling “Stations-between-the-stations”... RECEPTION is a close number-two! AM “HD” is a given FAILURE; FM “HD” is failing because of POOR MARKETING and PRODUCT. Audio quality on FM HD is “OK” [consumers DON'T care] – programming is another matter... There is NO REASON whatsoever for the consumer to fork-out $200 for an “HD” radio! ‘seems corporate radio has LITTLE INTEREST in those coveted extra channels – they are merely “jukeboxes” courtesy of “The Format Lab” – TOTALLY irrelevant to ANY practical demo!

HD radio receivers are TOO EXPENSIVE due to iBiquity’s confiscatory licensing scheme, and the result is – VERY FEW popularly-priced consumer choices. The current “HD” radios on the market offer LOWER performance than do those without the requirements to pay iBiquitity by placing an HD chip... There are multiple instances of QUALITY receivers WITHOUT “HD” on the market at a price WELL-BELOW the comparative HD receiver, that better the value and performance of the “HD” offering.

NO “rocket science” is required to figure that this paradigm WILL NOT work in the long run.

 

[LinoNYC]

Bingo, WIKH... This is the NUMBER ONE feedback we receive in consumer marketing in regards to the consumer’s “thumbs-down” on HD radio – uncompelling “Stations-between-the-stations”... RECEPTION is a close number-two! AM “HD” is a given FAILURE; FM “HD” is failing because of POOR MARKETING and PRODUCT. Audio quality on FM HD is “OK” [consumers DON'T care] – programming is another matter... There is NO REASON whatsoever for the consumer to fork-out $200 for an “HD” radio! ‘seems corporate radio has LITTLE INTEREST in those coveted extra channels – they are merely “jukeboxes” courtesy of “The Format Lab” – TOTALLY irrelevant to ANY practical demo!

HD radio receivers are TOO EXPENSIVE due to iBiquity’s confiscatory licensing scheme, and the result is – VERY FEW popularly-priced consumer choices. The current “HD” radios on the market offer LOWER performance than do those without the requirements to pay iBiquitity by placing an HD chip... There are multiple instances of QUALITY receivers WITHOUT “HD” on the market at a price WELL-BELOW the comparative HD receiver, that better the value and performance of the “HD” offering.

NO “rocket science” is required to figure that this paradigm WILL NOT work in the long run.

Audio quality on FM HD is “OK” [consumers DON'T care]

If that were true, AM would still be viable for music and not have ancient demos.

HD radio receivers are TOO EXPENSIVE due to iBiquity’s confiscatory licensing

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/ibiquity-met-with-the-fcc-again.html

Quoting: Goss also added that iBiquity is getting $5-$6 for every HD Radio receiver sold.

Once again you have proven yourself an uniformed fool.

Lino

 

[clouseau]

Quoting: Goss also added that iBiquity is getting $5-$6 for every HD Radio receiver sold.

Once again you have proven yourself an uniformed fool.

Lino

Lino,

I do not agree. I think a lot of these folks are coming from a position of PHENOMINAL bias against the technology. Look at the STAGGERING amount of posting and deriding from Hippo and similarly inclined individuals. In the opening post of this thread he writes... "in the offices of The Firm that subscribes to the axiom: “There is NO market for HD radio”... " I also think there is a misunderstanding of what HD does. There is an expectation from some folks that it will be akin to High Definition television. However... The audio improvement on FM is not as pronounced as TV picture. The most dramatic improvement is on AM sound. Still, HD radio is not as Flashy as DTV. Clearly folks like Hippo have a vested interest in dissing the technology. It happens.

Clouseau

 

[Savage]

And what kind of "uniformed fool" is Hipporadio, Lino? Military, law enforcement, French-maid outfit?

If you're going to indulge in name-calling you should at leest spel it rite.

Memo to board moderator: TOS violation here, perhaps?

 

[BRNout]

And what kind of "uniformed fool" is Hipporadio, Lino? Military, law enforcement, French-maid outfit?

LOL - good one Savage!! Jacques got his comeuppance!

I'll be giggling over that one for the rest of the afternoon!