http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-radio/releases/view?id=32154
Cumulus Inc is named as the distributor for CBS Radio sports.
Cumulus Inc is named as the distributor for CBS Radio sports.
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WFAN will carry CBS Radio Sports in 2013
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The way I've read everything, it's more that FAN and the other major market CBS Radio sports stations will be generating content for the network. I've also read that some of the content will be regional in nature, which is a cool aspect to differentiate the network from ESPN and Fox Sports.
Are there any stations in Albany and the Hudson Valley to carry CBS Sports Radio will be announced? I don't see it yet. We shall see.
I interpret the moves CBS is doing as they are scared to death of the new WEPN-FM.recto101 said:
This is my thinking:
WFAN was not doing well on 1050 when it was moved to 660. Signal was only a small part of that.
Greg Gumbel was doing 1050 mornings and there was little credibility until Imus was retained for 660 mornings. Imus offered a strong lead-in to the rest of the day.
In essence, and the irony was, the Morning non-sports program gave credibility to the sports programs that followed.
Over the years, the 1050, although a decent signal in its own right, and the strength of ESPN, has proven no match for the Mega blasters at 880, 770, and lowered frequency, and thereby, stronger, 660.
Fast forward to today:
The conditions have changed regarding the marketing area from a large area to a more localized and focused area. Enter the inferior, but penetrable, FM signal through buildings, parking garages, and electrical interference. All of a sudden, your 50,000 clear channel station that can be heard in 28 states, can't be heard in Manhattan, but the 6,000 watt short-spaced Empire signal can.
I see Disney purchasing the Yankees and moving PBP to 98.7, over the next couple of years.
98.7, here in Tampa, is switching to a CBS Sports radio in August. It is a CBS property already. Unlike Kiss-FM, this 98.7 was not doing very well in the format, but it is an example of how CBS does not want to be second fiddle to the FM with an SWF (spoken word format), again.
And then there is 94.7...
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
badjef said:
KNBR and KTCT will air the CBS Sports Network in 2013 according to the CBS Press release. But I'm not sure if the Cumulus O&O's will still carry the ESPN and Fox Sports Network in 2013. I know KNBR 680 and KTCT 1050 carry 2 networks at this time to keep the all-sports format.
to Bad Jeff :
>> 'All of a sudden, your 50,000 clear channel station that can be heard in 28 states, can't be heard in Manhattan, but the 6,000 watt short-spaced Empire signal can.
I see Disney purchasing the Yankees and moving PBP to 98.7, over the next couple of years.' <<
Disagree Jeff, buddy.
Until, that is, it becomes apparent that NYC sports and sportstalk catches on in stereo, financially commensurate with how it's been received via AM, through huge signals.
I must've been to your grand state twenty times (I even went to school in Sarasota). But Florida is a different market. I'm pretty sure that the entire Sunshine State never had a 50,000 watt omni AM signal. You folks *do* have one thing we Yanks don't have -- and that's a prodigious amount of 100,000-watt FMs. Most of the format distribution differences remain permanent residents as a result.
Florida is also a HUGE college football market. New York City's closest college football power is .....
.....uh .....
..... lemme think here for a few .... years.
(Notre Dame ? LEHIGH ? : -)
Am just suggesting that with baseball and football up here in the home of The Bluecoats, New York City radio has ample space on AM, and gangbuster signals, with which to broadcast the only two sports listenable on the radio. Jets, Giants, Yankees, Mets. The other sports are just a waste of electricity.
In Florida, at least the last time I was there, summer 2010, every other station on the AM dial which wasn't carrying Sean Hannity was doing sports talk or NASCAR. It's a huge sports state year 'round for things that New York City's market doesn't care that much about.
The big AM stations in NYC are making money with what they're doing ; hence, the move of major sports PBP to FM probably will take a bit longer in NYC than it will in Florida. At present, the outfield skies are blue here, near the Empire State Building.
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Local WAZL 1490 in nearby Hazleton carries the Rays games here, Jeff! Manager Maddon is is a big name from Hazleton. Not a bad Rays PBP team atall!
>> 'All of a sudden, your 50,000 clear channel station that can be heard in 28 states, can't be heard in Manhattan, but the 6,000 watt short-spaced Empire signal can.
I see Disney purchasing the Yankees and moving PBP to 98.7, over the next couple of years.' <<
Disagree Jeff, buddy.
Until, that is, it becomes apparent that NYC sports and sportstalk catches on in stereo, financially commensurate with how it's been received via AM, through huge signals.
I must've been to your grand state twenty times (I even went to school in Sarasota). But Florida is a different market. I'm pretty sure that the entire Sunshine State never had a 50,000 watt omni AM signal. You folks *do* have one thing we Yanks don't have -- and that's a prodigious amount of 100,000-watt FMs. Most of the format distribution differences remain permanent residents as a result.
Florida is also a HUGE college football market. New York City's closest college football power is .....
.....uh .....
..... lemme think here for a few .... years.
(Notre Dame ? LEHIGH ? : -)
Am just suggesting that with baseball and football up here in the home of The Bluecoats, New York City radio has ample space on AM, and gangbuster signals, with which to broadcast the only two sports listenable on the radio. Jets, Giants, Yankees, Mets. The other sports are just a waste of electricity.
In Florida, at least the last time I was there, summer 2010, every other station on the AM dial which wasn't carrying Sean Hannity was doing sports talk or NASCAR. It's a huge sports state year 'round for things that New York City's market doesn't care that much about.
The big AM stations in NYC are making money with what they're doing ; hence, the move of major sports PBP to FM probably will take a bit longer in NYC than it will in Florida. At present, the outfield skies are blue here, near the Empire State Building.
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Local WAZL 1490 in nearby Hazleton carries the Rays games here, Jeff! Manager Maddon is is a big name from Hazleton. Not a bad Rays PBP team atall!
I was born and raised in Newark, New Jersey ( my parents were still apologizing for itSteve Green NEPA said:
).I have been in Sa-ra-so-ta! since July 1988. I have been back and forth to New Jersey over the years and have kept up, somewhat, with the New York Market.
As for the "Pro" vs "College" teams, I am more "Pro" oriented as a result of my exposure with the New York Market. You are right, in NY, if it is not the Yankees, Giants, Mets, and Jets, in that order, it is second tier sports.
But, as for AM vs. FM, the trend is not to care about the audience past the Metro area. This is not only in NYC, but also with my area, here, in Tampa.
The AM stations, especially, 880, 770, 660, once seemed impervious, are at an increasing disadvantage:
1.) because of susceptibility to interference and building penetration.
2.) Demographics. Younger people are not listening to AM radio because they are spoiled from the "static free" FM signal and have not had any reason to tune to the AM dial.
I am not speaking from the Florida perspective, it is the increasing radio marketing perspective - go smaller. Music will be iPods and on line services. SWF (spoken word format) will go to FM. AM brokered/bartered, the so-called "dolla-a-holla". Hopefully, still available for emergency sumuls every couple of years or so, but I doubt it.
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
That thinking has led to an out of touch political and business mentality that exists throughout the country.reelyreal said:
As I say, "if it doesn't happen in the 'Acela Corridor', it doesn't matter."
You have nailed it and still, you wonder why there is so much discontent...
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
There is also a prediction that maybe the Hudson Valley which includes Poughkeepsie and Albany would get a CBS Sports Radio network. Cumulus owns one of the HV stations like WKXP, WZAD, WEOK, WALL, WPDH, WCZX, WRRV, WRRB and WKNY and I don't see any of the Poughkeepsie stations going to CBS Sports Radio anytime soon, except the Albany stations that I don't see it coming until one of the Ernie Anastos' stations are going to sell. It is going to be some sort of speculation which will be coming in a year or so.
From what I have noticed over the years and I think:
1) WFAN moves the local sports talk to 92.3 FM to compete with 98.7 FM ESPN.
2) METS stay on 660 AM as they put the CBS Sports Network on 660 AM. All games that were moved to other stations over the years now will be out on 660 AM.
3) CBS retains Yankee writes and moves them to 92.3 FM. Yankees and CBS have a very good relationship to this point.
4) GIANTS go to 92.3 FM
5) NETS go to 92.3 FM
6) DEVILS go to 660 AM
7) ALL CBS network games ex: NFL football etc... will be stay put on 660 am.
The reason why CBS will be run like this is of course to compete against ESPN and they have blown away FM stations to put sports on all over the country. Also the strong am signals they have all the country in large cities except for Los Angeles and that may change is great for their network. While no fan of the WFAN and the way they have hosts and I mean most except of course for Francesa and Mark Malusis (sp?) who now thinks the METS are it like the other hosts. Please take notice how WFAN gets no Yankee callers and the way to have a quick fix for this would to put the Yankee games on their local sports station.
PLEASE NOTE: Look for my blog wfanshills.blogspot.com in the next couple of weeks.
1) WFAN moves the local sports talk to 92.3 FM to compete with 98.7 FM ESPN.
2) METS stay on 660 AM as they put the CBS Sports Network on 660 AM. All games that were moved to other stations over the years now will be out on 660 AM.
3) CBS retains Yankee writes and moves them to 92.3 FM. Yankees and CBS have a very good relationship to this point.
4) GIANTS go to 92.3 FM
5) NETS go to 92.3 FM
6) DEVILS go to 660 AM
7) ALL CBS network games ex: NFL football etc... will be stay put on 660 am.
The reason why CBS will be run like this is of course to compete against ESPN and they have blown away FM stations to put sports on all over the country. Also the strong am signals they have all the country in large cities except for Los Angeles and that may change is great for their network. While no fan of the WFAN and the way they have hosts and I mean most except of course for Francesa and Mark Malusis (sp?) who now thinks the METS are it like the other hosts. Please take notice how WFAN gets no Yankee callers and the way to have a quick fix for this would to put the Yankee games on their local sports station.
PLEASE NOTE: Look for my blog wfanshills.blogspot.com in the next couple of weeks.
wabc860 said:
I agree, except for one thing. When Giants' pre-season games begin, who gets bumped from 92.3 FM? Does CBS perhaps move the Yankees' game to 880 AM when it overlaps the Giants? The Yankees have always been on a station that catered to them and IMHO, won't be agreeable to having any of their games moved to another station.
A WFAN move to FM is inevitable, but 92.3 NOW has finally moved into the top 10. Fresh 102.7 is doing OK vs LITE and PLJ. Can CBS truly justify blowing up either of these stations at the present time?
badjef said:
Stations producing and providing content:
WFAN-AM (New York)
WSCR-AM (Chicago)
KRLD-FM (Dallas)
KILT-AM (Houston)
WJFK-FM (Washington, D.C.)
WIP-FM (Philadelphia)
WBZ-FM (Boston)
WXYT-FM (Detroit)
WSJT-FM (Tampa)
WJZ-FM (Baltimore)
WFNZ-AM (Charlotte)
KDKA-FM (Pittsburgh)
KHTK-AM (Sacramento)
WKRK-FM (Cleveland)
More than half are outside the northeast corridor. CBS is actually bucking the trend by producing regional content for the regional affiliates. They're stepping outside the "What's good for New York is good for the country" mentality.
Say you're an AM somewhere in rural Texas and you subscribe to the new CBS Sports network... The thought is that you could get programming produced in Dallas or other major southern stations and run them on your station, which is better than what you get from ESPN.
An answer to your comments below.
They will move the Giants to 101.1 FM like they have done before preseason and during the season. Yanks will get preference over them all I presume.
The answer to who they will kill on FM now when they do it and I presume they will do in the new year is who is billing the least. All about the money.
"I agree, except for one thing. When Giants' pre-season games begin, who gets bumped from 92.3 FM? Does CBS perhaps move the Yankees' game to 880 AM when it overlaps the Giants? The Yankees have always been on a station that catered to them and IMHO, won't be agreeable to having any of their games moved to another station.
A WFAN move to FM is inevitable, but 92.3 NOW has finally moved into the top 10. Fresh 102.7 is doing OK vs LITE and PLJ. Can CBS truly justify blowing up either of these stations at the present time?"
They will move the Giants to 101.1 FM like they have done before preseason and during the season. Yanks will get preference over them all I presume.
The answer to who they will kill on FM now when they do it and I presume they will do in the new year is who is billing the least. All about the money.
"I agree, except for one thing. When Giants' pre-season games begin, who gets bumped from 92.3 FM? Does CBS perhaps move the Yankees' game to 880 AM when it overlaps the Giants? The Yankees have always been on a station that catered to them and IMHO, won't be agreeable to having any of their games moved to another station.
A WFAN move to FM is inevitable, but 92.3 NOW has finally moved into the top 10. Fresh 102.7 is doing OK vs LITE and PLJ. Can CBS truly justify blowing up either of these stations at the present time?"
wabc860 said:
I expect WEPN-FM to make a strong bid for the Mets or Yankees. If they land the Yankees, not only will they have to overpay, they will also have to possibly lose the Jets, Knicks and Rangers to accommodate the Yankees. IMHO, the Mets would be much more amenable regarding other sports. The other question is does CBS want to pony up for both NY baseball teams?
Last season, only one Giants' pre-season game was on 101.1 FM. The other games were on 880 since the Yankees were off on those nights. No regular season Giants game aired on 101.1 FM. All regular season Giants' games aired on 660.
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