What AM/FM/TV do you hear midday beyond 60 miles at your location?

[cyberdad]

I suspect CKOC, (my personal favorite listen in the Toronto-Hamilton area), was getting away with a little something for a few years up until recently. Until a few months ago they've been regularly on top of 1150 here at night in the Chicago area....even though they're supposedly not throwing any signifcan signal to our direction (basically west). For the last several months, they've been far less frequent, so perhaps the "problem" has been addressed.

All the while....based on what I can determine from my trips to the area....the daytime pattern has seemed to be doing exactly what it's supposed to do.

 

[radioman148]

I suspect CKOC, (my personal favorite listen in the Toronto-Hamilton area), was getting away with a little something for a few years up until recently. Until a few months ago they've been regularly on top of 1150 here at night in the Chicago area....even though they're supposedly not throwing any signifcan signal to our direction (basically west). For the last several months, they've been far less frequent, so perhaps the "problem" has been addressed.

All the while....based on what I can determine from my trips to the area....the daytime pattern has seemed to be doing exactly what it's supposed to do.

I've heard CKOC very strong at times in the past. Either they do this more often than we think or there's some unusual skip conditions from time to time.

 

[cyberdad]

I've heard CKOC very strong at times in the past. Either they do this more often than we think or there's some unusual skip conditions from time to time.

Based on my experience, I'd say the unusual skip was going on about 90% of the time for a period of 2-3 years!  ;D

And can we count listening to CKOC on my iPhone or computer as listening "beyond 60 miles"?  ;D ;D ;D

 

[pianoplayer88key]

And can we count listening to CKOC on my iPhone or computer as listening "beyond 60 miles"? ;D ;D ;D

As the OP for this topic, I was exclusively thinking over-the-air on your radio, so no, using a cell network or internet connection doesn't qualify. Also to clarify, any enhancement (like tropo, skip, etc) beyond the usual groundwave or direct wave is also a disqualifier. If a station is audible 24/7/365 it qualifies, with exceptions allowable for things like skywave/groundwave cancellation nulling a nearby target AM, DX tropo or e-skip wiping out a nearby target FM, a target AM reducing power or changing pattern at sunset or sunrise, for example.

 

[radioman148]

And can we count listening to CKOC on my iPhone or computer as listening "beyond 60 miles"? ;D ;D ;D

As the OP for this topic, I was exclusively thinking over-the-air on your radio, so no, using a cell network or internet connection doesn't qualify. Also to clarify, any enhancement (like tropo, skip, etc) beyond the usual groundwave or direct wave is also a disqualifier. If a station is audible 24/7/365 it qualifies, with exceptions allowable for things like skywave/groundwave cancellation nulling a nearby target AM, DX tropo or e-skip wiping out a nearby target FM, a target AM reducing power or changing pattern at sunset or sunrise, for example.

I think Cyber was kidding ;D

 

[cyberdad]

In the words of Foghorn Leghorn.... "It's a joke, son. A joke."

But.... If it weren't. And if the "ground rules" were different. I'd count Radio Super FM from Brazil, Radio Crazy Jazz/Swing from Switzerland, and 2CH from Australia among my "over 60 miles regulars". All three...and a few others...are bookmarked on my computers and iPhone.

TV? Well, I've discovered that some of the European gaming sites stream NFL games. Sweet....but please don't tell Roger Goodell!

 

[radioman148]

In the words of Foghorn Leghorn.... "It's a joke, son. A joke."

But.... If it weren't. And if the "ground rules" were different. I'd count Radio Super FM from Brazil, Radio Crazy Jazz/Swing from Switzerland, and 2CH from Australia among my "over 60 miles regulars". All three...and a few others...are bookmarked on my computers and iPhone.

TV? Well, I've discovered that some of the European gaming sites stream NFL games. Sweet....but please don't tell Roger Goodell!

I like "Gold" in Australia--another good one.

 

[hipporadio]

I suspect CKOC, (my personal favorite listen in the Toronto-Hamilton area), was getting away with a little something for a few years up until recently. Until a few months ago they've been regularly on top of 1150 here at night in the Chicago area....even though they're supposedly not throwing any signifcan signal to our direction (basically west). For the last several months, they've been far less frequent, so perhaps the "problem" has been addressed.

All the while....based on what I can determine from my trips to the area....the daytime pattern has seemed to be doing exactly what it's supposed to do.

I've heard CKOC very strong at times in the past. Either they do this more often than we think or there's some unusual skip conditions from time to time.

I easily heard 1150 CKOC last night in the Cincinnati area. The variable signal, but better-than-usual reception, was strong-enough at times to remain above the "bog" and relatively unbothered by local 1160 WQRT [on 990-watts and highly directional]. In casual scanning, I've heard oldies on 1150 MANY TIMES in the past, but didn't stick around thru the fading to catch an I.D. TEN TOWERS in the array! ...WHEW – that must be a laborious task to keep in line. Obviously, they have a few challenges in doing that.

 

[radioman148]

Beginning to sound like they are not using those towers the way they were intended.

 

[cyberdad]

Canada has lots of AM transmitter sites with a high number of towers. Not coincidentally, they have lots of high powered AMs....including quite a few on what used to be regional, or even local channels on this side of the border. The more towers, the tougher to maintain your site...which is probably what's going on with CKOC.

There's really no economic or audience reason not to keep their legal pattern. I realize I intimated earlier that "funny business" might be going on. But more correctly, it's actually probably just a maintenance issue. I also wonder if they're diplexing with sister CHAM (820). If so, that also could be part of the problem. As is, CKOC's intended nighttime pattern already does a fine job of covering three metros....Hamilton, Toronto, and Kitchener-Waterloo.

 

[schmave]

I suspect CKOC, (my personal favorite listen in the Toronto-Hamilton area), was getting away with a little something for a few years up until recently. Until a few months ago they've been regularly on top of 1150 here at night in the Chicago area....even though they're supposedly not throwing any signifcan signal to our direction (basically west). For the last several months, they've been far less frequent, so perhaps the "problem" has been addressed.

All the while....based on what I can determine from my trips to the area....the daytime pattern has seemed to be doing exactly what it's supposed to do.

I've heard CKOC very strong at times in the past. Either they do this more often than we think or there's some unusual skip conditions from time to time.

I easily heard 1150 CKOC last night in the Cincinnati area. The variable signal, but better-than-usual reception, was strong-enough at times to remain above the "bog" and relatively unbothered by local 1160 WQRT [on 990-watts and highly directional]. In casual scanning, I've heard oldies on 1150 MANY TIMES in the past, but didn't stick around thru the fading to catch an I.D. TEN TOWERS in the array! ...WHEW – that must be a laborious task to keep in line. Obviously, they have a few challenges in doing that.

So that's the station I've heard under WIMA in western Ohio all these years.

 

[radioman148]

That's the one.

 

[pianoplayer88key]

In the words of Foghorn Leghorn.... "It's a joke, son. A joke."

But.... If it weren't. And if the "ground rules" were different. I'd count Radio Super FM from Brazil, Radio Crazy Jazz/Swing from Switzerland, and 2CH from Australia among my "over 60 miles regulars". All three...and a few others...are bookmarked on my computers and iPhone.

TV? Well, I've discovered that some of the European gaming sites stream NFL games. Sweet....but please don't tell Roger Goodell!

Yeah, I realize it was a joke.

However, I'm still seeing a lot of skip posted in this thread. I was wanting to know what stations you DXers receive virtually 24/7/365? Exceptions can be permitted for other stations covering up the target, the target's own skywave/groundwave cancellation or multipath, AM daytimers, power reducers, pattern changers that disappear at sunset, for example. Seasonal daytime skywave, tropo, e-skip, etc, are all disqualified, as is nighttime skywave without groundwave. (Sorry, ****-690 fans (or whatever their call/frequency is - looks like they don't qualify.) If it's heard at local solar noon on the summer solstice during a high time in the sunspot cycle, even if you have to use a communications receiver and beverage antenna just to get a carrier or unintelligible audio, it qualifies.

Speaking of skip, D-layer absorption, etc... what time of the day / year / sunspot cycle would D-layer absorption be at its maximum? For example, would it be possible to have a transmitter beam a strong enough signal at 1700 kHz up to the D-Layer so someone in a spacecraft or something up there would get RF burns, yet have its QRSS CW carrier totally undetectable at the location where the skip would hit the earth, using the same receiver/antenna outlined above while you're 12,000 miles or 20,000 km or so from any AC grid or lightning static?

 

[trusty]

However, I'm still seeing a lot of skip posted in this thread. I was wanting to know what stations you DXers receive virtually 24/7/365?

You're asking that question to a bunch of DX'ers? Come on... ;D You know we don't listen to them.

 

[pianoplayer88key]

However, I'm still seeing a lot of skip posted in this thread. I was wanting to know what stations you DXers receive virtually 24/7/365?

You're asking that question to a bunch of DX'ers? Come on... ;D You know we don't listen to them.

Hehe ;D well what stations do you all hear that are enhanced by things like high receive and transmit elevation for FM, low dial postition, high transmit power, good ground conductivity, a sensitive receiver+antenna combo for AM, and are directly received, NOT enhanced by tropo, ionospheric reflection/refraction, meteor scatter, moonbounce, etc? (If the radio waves have to bounce off something for you to hear them, they're disqualified. )

 

[N4GBK]

NE North Carolina. 24/7/365 @ 60+ miles. AM stations. WRVA 1140 Richmond, VA. Usually get WPTF Raleigh 680 but sometimes they are overtaken by WCNN Atlanta. Numerous FM stations here over 60 miles. Many class C stations in Eastern NC.

 

[radioman148]

NE North Carolina. 24/7/365 @ 60+ miles. AM stations. WRVA 1140 Richmond, VA. Usually get WPTF Raleigh 680 but sometimes they are overtaken by WCNN Atlanta. Numerous FM stations here over 60 miles. Many class C stations in Eastern NC.

How far are you from Raleigh VS Atlanta?

 

[N4GBK]

Radioman. I am 110 mi. East of WPTF Raleigh. 447 mi. from WCNN with 50 kW days. Sunset is later in Atlanta and they might forget to switch to nights sometimes. Sometimes they wipe out WPTF with skywave even in summertime late afternoons..Probably should have critical hour power reduction?

 

[radioman148]

Radioman. I am 110 mi. East of WPTF Raleigh. 447 mi. from WCNN with 50 kW days. Sunset is later in Atlanta and they might forget to switch to nights sometimes. Sometimes they wipe out WPTF with skywave even in summertime late afternoons..Probably should have critical hour power reduction?

OK, I thought Atlanta was quite far for a groundwave. Thanks.

 

[jd]

Sometimes they wipe out WPTF with skywave even in summertime late afternoons..Probably should have critical hour power reduction?

Under existing rules it's not going to happen, since the reality is that WCNN and WPTF are both Class B's and thus they are not required to afford critical hours protection to each other. They do, however, have to protect the sole U.S. Class A on the channel--San Francisco's KNBR. You've got a good point, though, as critical hours interference can easily get out of hand. I personally feel that proposals for changes involving high powered stations might need to be examined more closely, regardless of a station's class.