what do u think the state of hiphop radio

[djfrresh]

what do love and hate about hiphop radio station.

 

[rapking]

Love=The Music
Dont Love = The same 10 songs over and over again

 

[ShawtyBlack_ATL]

-Syndication (ex. KDAY-Los Angeles)
-None/Few Mix Shows
-No Variety
-Too Many ReCurrents
-Slow To Add New Music
-No Old School Hip-Hop Spins
-So Called Hip-Hop Stations That Play Pop/Dance

;D ;D ;D
-Local Music Spins
-Mix Shows
-Local Personalities 24/7
-Real Hip-Hop (ex. KXHT-Memphis)
-Street Prescene
-of course Any Hot Ass Pat Garrett Voiceover

 

[only1moore]

To put it bluntly: awful!

 

[landtuna]

Not allowed in my house or cars. Under any circumstances.

 

[FMSteve]

This is the question of today, for sure. What is the state of Hip-Hop? There are indications that this genre is losing it's appeal. Why is it that many major artists right now ie. Rhianna, Janet Jackson, Chris Brown, etc.... are going to some sort of techno pop? Why are there soooo many beats per minute? Why is the new music drifting to a more Pop/Techno sound? I don't get it.

What has happened to the Urban Rythmic format?

Could somebody enlighten me?

 

[rapking]

Not allowed in my house or cars. Under any circumstances.

Hip Hop is on your computer ( you are reading this post on a Hip hop board ).

 

[rapking]

This is the question of today, for sure. What is the state of Hip-Hop? There are indications that this genre is losing it's appeal. Why is it that many major artists right now ie. Rhianna, Janet Jackson, Chris Brown, etc.... are going to some sort of techno pop? Why are there soooo many beats per minute? Why is the new music drifting to a more Pop/Techno sound? I don't get it.

What has happened to the Urban Rythmic format?

Could somebody enlighten me?

I hate to say it, because I am a Janet Jackson fan, but Janet Jackson music career is in the dumpster right now. What is wrong with a music artist ( Chris Brown,Rhianna and so on ) whom want to increase there fan base ? If I was a music artist and I had the talent to do different form of music, I be stupid if I didn't try it. To many today's music artist, are put in a box. Tina Turner is R&B star and Pop and Rock star .

 

[Mid West Clubber]

I happen to favor the Dance-Pop stuff more than the ghetto Dirty south crap weve dealt with for the last decade. I can finally stand to listen to Rhythmic Radio again, when only a year ago I couldnt tell the difference between an Urban and a Rhythmic station... Rhythmic stations right now are sounding like what they were intended to sound like,, Rhythmic CHR was never intended to be an Urban Clone.

 

[landtuna]

Not allowed in my house or cars. Under any circumstances.

Hip Hop is on your computer ( you are reading this post on a Hip hop board ).

My mistake. I assumed we were discussing music (or what's supposed to pass for it in this dumbed-down age).

 

[FMSteve]

I happen to favor the Dance-Pop stuff more than the ghetto Dirty south crap weve dealt with for the last decade. I can finally stand to listen to Rhythmic Radio again, when only a year ago I couldnt tell the difference between an Urban and a Rhythmic station... Rhythmic stations right now are sounding like what they were intended to sound like,, Rhythmic CHR was never intended to be an Urban Clone.

So you're saying that the Rhythmic/CHR is finally coming around to what the format was meant to deliver........and that the Hip-Hop-Thug-in-the-club-like-a-scrub Ghetto music was a brief path we went down, nothing more, nothing less. Like a dead-end street?

That's very interesting. I am not so sure about that. I see Hip-Hop and Rap as evolving into a more friendly place, slowing down a bit in tempo and anger, but still having that urban sound and rhythms. But I certainly wonder if there's enough legs in the format to move forward......as the recording artists and A & R guys cave in to a more Pop/techno sound, and that will define the new Rhythmic Contemporary format.

Right or wrong?

 

[radiorama1]

I said it before a while back on here and I'll say it again, I feel that oversaturation is hurting the format... there is too much crap being released now and not enough quality as opposed to 10, or even 5 years ago

 

[only1moore]

I happen to favor the Dance-Pop stuff more than the ghetto Dirty south crap weve dealt with for the last decade. I can finally stand to listen to Rhythmic Radio again, when only a year ago I couldnt tell the difference between an Urban and a Rhythmic station... Rhythmic stations right now are sounding like what they were intended to sound like,, Rhythmic CHR was never intended to be an Urban Clone.

You have a point there. I've already noticed that in recent weeks that stations like KLUC, KSFM, WNVZ, WRDW, WBBM, WJJS, KGGI, XHTO, KBFM, KZFM, KKWD, WWKL, KYLD, KIKI, KDDB, KDGS, KTBT, WRVZ and WIBT are starting to embrace more pop and Dance acts like Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, September and Ida Corr, but at the same time want to stay within the Rhythmic core. And ironically, they're succeeding with it too. I even went to WNVZ's website and they were welcoming The Jonas Brothers to Norfolk! Now that is unheard of, especially from a Rhythmic that doesn't play any of their songs.

 

[AM FM listener]

The way I see it, there are basically two hip-hop formats -- Rhythmic and Urban. Both play about 80% hip-hop. Rhythmics fill in the other 20% with dance-oriented pop, Urbans fill it in with R&B. Despite their high musical overlap, the trades insist on labeling them separately. I would like to see Rhythmics play closer to 50% hip-hop and 50% pop & dance. I always thought this format should be half-way between CHR and Urban, much like the way Hot AC stays about half way between AC and CHR.

 

[sdh483]

I happen to favor the Dance-Pop stuff more than the ghetto Dirty south crap weve dealt with for the last decade. I can finally stand to listen to Rhythmic Radio again, when only a year ago I couldnt tell the difference between an Urban and a Rhythmic station... Rhythmic stations right now are sounding like what they were intended to sound like,, Rhythmic CHR was never intended to be an Urban Clone.

So you're saying that the Rhythmic/CHR is finally coming around to what the format was meant to deliver........and that the Hip-Hop-Thug-in-the-club-like-a-scrub Ghetto music was a brief path we went down, nothing more, nothing less. Like a dead-end street?

That's very interesting. I am not so sure about that. I see Hip-Hop and Rap as evolving into a more friendly place, slowing down a bit in tempo and anger, but still having that urban sound and rhythms. But I certainly wonder if there's enough legs in the format to move forward......as the recording artists and A & R guys cave in to a more Pop/techno sound, and that will define the new Rhythmic Contemporary format.

Right or wrong?

I would say wrong. Rap music has de-volved from a friendly place since the 1980s when hip hop WAS a friendly genre with acts like Run-Dmc, Kurtis Blow, ect. before Death Row came to play in the early 90s and brought violence, drug references and explicit sexual refrences. When this form came to the airwaves, the songs were edited so much you'd think there were only 5 words in the entire song. Rap music today might not be as violent as i was 10 years ago but the drugs and demeaning of females is still there. I'll give them my propers for using "coded" words for drug references like the rock acts did back in the 60s and 70s so they don't have to go on the chopping block of radio edit. The problem is now that we've heard the same tired out beats for the past decade (I can't tell the difference from Lil Wayne to Lil Troy, both from different decades). What I am seeing is a slow transition back to more melodic R&B with a dance beat in the background, latin flavored rhythmic, pop and rock making a comeback. There will still be rhythmic CHRs and hip hop stations but there will eventually be a phase out of hip hop in top 40 and a return of a "poppier" sound. The "dirty south" sound is still alive but not for long.

IMHO I prefer my music to have more melody, harmony, some chord changes, and a bass line this isn't monotonic. That and proper english, not a bunch of made up words. Some of these rap acts remind me of that movie CB4, where the "violent" rap group was pure act. They were really from the suburbs.

 

[WCJS]

-Syndication (ex. KDAY-Los Angeles)
-None/Few Mix Shows
-No Variety
-Too Many ReCurrents
-Slow To Add New Music
-No Old School Hip-Hop Spins
-So Called Hip-Hop Stations That Play Pop/Dance

;D ;D ;D
-Local Music Spins
-Mix Shows
-Local Personalities 24/7
-Real Hip-Hop (ex. KXHT-Memphis)
-Street Prescene
-of course Any Hot Ass Pat Garrett Voiceover

Hip-Hop radio and radio in general is built for women. I have not heard a woman complain about the same 10 songs over and over, or to many Recurrents being played. I have heard them complain about many mix shows.

Its just the way things are.

 

[FMSteve]

I happen to favor the Dance-Pop stuff more than the ghetto Dirty south crap weve dealt with for the last decade. I can finally stand to listen to Rhythmic Radio again, when only a year ago I couldnt tell the difference between an Urban and a Rhythmic station... Rhythmic stations right now are sounding like what they were intended to sound like,, Rhythmic CHR was never intended to be an Urban Clone.

So you're saying that the Rhythmic/CHR is finally coming around to what the format was meant to deliver........and that the Hip-Hop-Thug-in-the-club-like-a-scrub Ghetto music was a brief path we went down, nothing more, nothing less. Like a dead-end street?

That's very interesting. I am not so sure about that. I see Hip-Hop and Rap as evolving into a more friendly place, slowing down a bit in tempo and anger, but still having that urban sound and rhythms. But I certainly wonder if there's enough legs in the format to move forward......as the recording artists and A & R guys cave in to a more Pop/techno sound, and that will define the new Rhythmic Contemporary format.

Right or wrong?

I would say wrong. Rap music has de-volved from a friendly place since the 1980s when hip hop WAS a friendly genre with acts like Run-Dmc, Kurtis Blow, ect. before Death Row came to play in the early 90s and brought violence, drug references and explicit sexual refrences. When this form came to the airwaves, the songs were edited so much you'd think there were only 5 words in the entire song. Rap music today might not be as violent as i was 10 years ago but the drugs and demeaning of females is still there. I'll give them my propers for using "coded" words for drug references like the rock acts did back in the 60s and 70s so they don't have to go on the chopping block of radio edit. The problem is now that we've heard the same tired out beats for the past decade (I can't tell the difference from Lil Wayne to Lil Troy, both from different decades). What I am seeing is a slow transition back to more melodic R&B with a dance beat in the background, latin flavored rhythmic, pop and rock making a comeback. There will still be rhythmic CHRs and hip hop stations but there will eventually be a phase out of hip hop in top 40 and a return of a "poppier" sound. The "dirty south" sound is still alive but not for long.

IMHO I prefer my music to have more melody, harmony, some chord changes, and a bass line this isn't monotonic. That and proper english, not a bunch of made up words. Some of these rap acts remind me of that movie CB4, where the "violent" rap group was pure act. They were really from the suburbs.

So you're saying, SDH, that the hip-hop format has some legs........that there could be some longevity to the format, that it hasn't died (or will), but rather that there is a lack of harmony, melody and chords changes and that might be their downfall.

So there's hope out there for more friendly, harmozing thugs-in-the-clubs. But how do you explain the uptempo pop coming out that is bordering on rock? What the heck is happening? Just look at Chris Brown and Rihanna. Why is this happening?

 

[Nikola77]

I think you can look at the movement to more of a Pop sound by the likes of Chris Brown and Rihanna not so much of an abandonment of the Hip Hop format but a realization of what they always have been. Pop Acts! The closest thing Chris Brown ever had to Hip Hop was "Run It" and even that had to have Juelz on it to make it feel like Hip Hop. Rihanna has never been hip hop. She's from Barbados so just about every song she's ever made has had that dancy/Carribean sound.

I don't think Hip Hop or Rhythm as a format is dying. What bothers me about this format is the aggressiveness of the labels. They are under so much pressure to generate a hit right outta the box that they're coming at you with upwards of 5-7 records every week. There's only so much room on a R/CHR playlist and 5-7 adds a week is absolutely outta the question.

Another problem is the featured artists. If an artist comes out with a song and it flops, it only takes about a month for the label to realize that all they have to do is put Lil Wayne, T-Pain, Chris Brown, or Akon on the song and it will then be a hit. THAT'S the problem. PD's have no time to develop new artists, and labels have no patience. It's a weird paradigm but the one we live with nonetheless.

 

[nightcrawler35]

Yet they're trying to shut down a good alternative to there over saturated product. INTERNET STATIONS!

 

[bchristi]

Hip-hop/rap is changing at a very fast rate. From 1998 to mid-2007, it had pretty much the same sound, but now it has a more popish-techno sound. Doesn't sound too angry anymore either. Still don't see a big difference between rythmic and urban, except for the fact urban really does play more R&B. I really see this technoish type of hip-hop having some legs.