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What impact did "Soul Train" have on black--and white--America?

With the passing today of Don Cornelius, the inevitable tributes to him will be flowing for the next week or so, especially from the African-American media. Little if any of it, though, will likely probe deeply into the cultural significance of the Soul Train program, especially what it meant at the time of its debut nationally in 1971. I'd like to raise this as a discussion apart from the thread about his passing.

Cornelius was mostly lucky above all else, in that he happened to be noticed at a time when American TV was looking to diversify itself and break out of the mold of the "one size fits all" demographic approach of its early days. Producers, if not networks, took note of the social changes of the 1960s and realized that untapped potential existed in exploiting previously ignored or under-served markets like the black community. Now, Dick Clark's American Bandstand had been running for years, and was an established hit with kids of all kinds. But he didn't really have real competition from another network or syndicator. Cornelius was an up-and-coming host and producer in Chicago who had just gotten a local "dance party" for black kids started on WCIU-TV, an independent that was full of brokered ethnic programming in those days. But he got a major sponsor in Sears, and when the Johnson hair care products company decided to get in on the act, Cornelius took a gamble and went out to L.A. to go national with it, premiering in September 1971. At first, only seven stations (outside Chicago) signed up, but the number built slowly over the first year.

That same TV season, another groundbreaking all-black show debuted, Sanford and Son, which quickly became a Top Ten favorite with all Americans. Simultaneously, Soul Train and Sanford not only allowed white, middle-class Middle Americans a rare peep into two expressions of indigenous African-American culture (respectively, music and comedy exemplified by Sanford star Redd Foxx), but finally allowed black performers a real place in the sun in a medium that was nearly as segregated as any other significant institution in American society, with Bill Cosby being the only notable exception. TV entertainment had always been several steps behind politics and culture, and it showed by the end of the Sixties. By the mid-1970s, though, things had changed irrevocably, with several all-black and women's lib sitcoms going and Soul Train being one of TV's most successful syndicated programs.

Cornelius presided over numerous changes in music styles, from the mainstream soul of the show's beginnings, into the disco of the late Seventies, the synth-funk of the early Eighties, and, finally, the rap and hip-hop from the late Eighties onward, with some neo-soul thrown into the mix toward the end. He probably became a major player in the black music industry, with his show determining the popularity of songs on radio and breaking new artists, probably more so than Dick Clark did for Top 40.

So, with all that in mind, what do you think was the greatest contribution of Cornelius and Soul Train to American culture and to TV history?
 
In my mind, Soul Train's (and Don Cornelius') greatest impact on television and culture was that it gave opportunities to many performers who didn't have the same avenues as most white artists (and those who weren't Motown artitsts or other innovating black artitsts like Little Richard and Chuck Berry) had, like through American Bandstand, Ed Sullivan, and other musical/variety programs pre-Soul Train. Also, for those who wouldn't regularly exposed to soul/R&B music, Soul Train was the only outlet where they could see these performers on a regular basis.

Although I think we could agree that the Soul Train legacy will always remain intact, its impact diminished once the availablity of MTV, VH1, and BET took-off starting in the late '80s/early '90s, and Cornelius' stepping down as host. It led to seeing less and less superstar R&B/rap artists appearing regularly (thus the whole MTV/VH1/BET impact), and more of B, C, and D-level acts appearing (especially one who are jump-starting their careers), plus the quality of the hosts post-Cornelius didn't help matters any either, IMO. Cornelius' conversative attitude, more or less, kind of also played into the demise of the TV show...the most popular and edgier acts took their talents elsewhere.
 
I think he exposed the non-black community to black music.........or black music that wasn't
selected by the white radio media. Suddenly more songs were crossing over to Top-40 radio
and charting higher on the charts. He made black music cool for white kids.

But as I've seen some of the older shows, sometimes he was right on the mark (with music
and talent) and other times he was lost in the woods........with artists and songs best left
forgotten and not really deserving national exposure.
 
I always felt that if you wanted to be in the know about the
latest dances, as well as hear some cool music, "Soul Train"
left "AB" in the dust. When I was in college, I used to get "AB"
on Saturdays at 12:30, followed by "Soul Train" at 1:30, on WLOS,
and I would skip Dick Clark but always look in on Don Cornelius.
I've always liked r&b but I guess this solidified my liking (I also like
smooth jazz). BTW, I'm white.

I think "AB" lost that position of being the place to go for the latest
dances, songs, and performers when it moved from Philadelphia to LA
and cut back from a daily to a weekly show. "Soul Train" may have also
been a weekly show from LA, but Cornelius knew how to step into the gap.
 
gregg75 said:
He made black music cool for white kids.

Elvis, Little Richard and Fats Domino were doing that long before Don Cornelius.

Disco probably made more Black artists and music popular among whites than Soul Train as well.

I liked Don although I was not a fan of ST but it is probably a true description that he rode the train of Black emergence as far as he could just as Dick Clark rode Be-bop and Rock n Roll.
 
Both good points, Shawn and Gregg. Shawn especially gave serious attention to the development of music on TV in the 1970s and 1980s, showing Cornelius' emergence at a time when the door was wide open for a new soul/R&B showcase on TV and how the competition slowly ate away at Soul Train's dominance of the field over time. Gregg pointed out that Cornelius wasn't always a kingmaker, but the program did frequently provide the only exposure white youth had of the music in places that didn't have a strong tradition of black radio, like New England or the Great Plains.

Cornelius was a trailblazer, but he encountered limits with Soul Train's reach in syndication. Back in the 1970s, it was mainly shown on Saturday afternoons, after the morning cartoons and sometimes awkwardly scheduled around sporting events (sometimes, though, this was on ABC stations in conjunction with American Bandstand). From the TV Guide collection I amassed from numerous parts of the country during that decade, the only station I know of that scheduled Train in the coveted Prime Time Access slot on Saturday was the CBS affiliate in Rockford, Illinois, WCEE (now WIFR), where it aired at 6 p.m. That, of course, was the most-popular slot in much of the country for the completely culturally polar-opposite Hee Haw, something that is in itself a statement about most stations' sympathies.

From what I know (which could be completely wrong), the station on which Train was most popular was WHBQ in Memphis, then an ABC affil, where it ran after the late news on Saturday nights. By the Eighties, though, it began moving to late nights on Saturdays in most places--I remember the Nashville NBC affil WSMV running it after Saturday Night Live in the latter part of the decade. Point being, Cornelius got dealt a bad hand by many of his stations and still managed to make very good money off the show. Being on WGN might well have made the difference in keeping him afloat, too, as he may well have lost some markets beginning in the 80s.
 
Had to love the over-the-top fashions and the Afro-Sheen commercials. We saw Soul Train on Saturday afternoons; I don't remember if it was on the ABC affiliate or not. During College football season, ABC provided a half hour version of American Bandstand, at least to Eastern time affiliates; not sure what happened out west. Great, mellow voice and great music. I don't know if I fully appreciated it in the 1970s. It was a bit of a culture shock to my all-white little town at the time.
 
borderblaster said:
Had to love the over-the-top fashions and the Afro-Sheen commercials.

Really, what other nationally-distributed shows provided an outlet for black hair-care products and the like to advertise their wares? This was once humorously noted by an African-American comedian who pointed out that you were never going to hear something like "Tonight's episode of Doogie Howser M.D. is brought to you by.........Afro-Sheen!" ;D
 
Mike Stroud said:
Cornelius was a trailblazer, but he encountered limits with Soul Train's reach in syndication. Back in the 1970s, it was mainly shown on Saturday afternoons, after the morning cartoons and sometimes awkwardly scheduled around sporting events (sometimes, though, this was on ABC stations in conjunction with American Bandstand). From the TV Guide collection I amassed from numerous parts of the country during that decade, the only station I know of that scheduled Train in the coveted Prime Time Access slot on Saturday was the CBS affiliate in Rockford, Illinois, WCEE (now WIFR), where it aired at 6 p.m. That, of course, was the most-popular slot in much of the country for the completely culturally polar-opposite Hee Haw, something that is in itself a statement about most stations' sympathies.

I was born in Rockford in 1980, I didn't remember Soul Train being on WIFR (although I would take your word for it), but I certainly remember Hee-Haw for years being on WTVO in the Saturday 6pm slot. I spent the first eight years of my childhood in and out of Rockford, eventually settling in Los Angeles...the only expourse of Soul Train we had in Rockford via WGN during the 80s and 90s; it didn't come back to Rockford until WTVO added it to its UPN/MyNetworkTV subchannel during the program's final couple of seasons. When our family moved to Los Angeles permanently in late 80s, Soul Train aired Saturday mornings at 11 on KTTV until 1991, when it moved to KTLA in same slot until they evenutally moved later into the afternoons. We briefly had cable back then, so we had two opportunies to see Soul Train, with the 9am PT showing on WGN.

You bring up the increased expourse via WGN...I think it certainly helped Soul Train's success. There were still markets didn't carry Soul Train until maybe years later, or even markets that lost the show (like Rockford, for example), and WGN was the only outlet to get it. Even better, again being here on the West Coast, the early years of the Soul Train Awards aired live on WGN (usually from L.A.'s Shrine Auditorium), but were on tape-delay in some Western markets or even aired that following weekend in other markets.
 
He didn't seem to be a big fan of gangsta rap, kids of the Soul Train generation (their parents) tuned to BET (or MTV if they were white)
 
landtuna said:
gregg75 said:
He made black music cool for white kids.

Elvis, Little Richard and Fats Domino were doing that long before Don Cornelius.

Disco probably made more Black artists and music popular among whites than Soul Train as well.

I liked Don although I was not a fan of ST but it is probably a true description that he rode the train of Black emergence as far as he could just as Dick Clark rode Be-bop and Rock n Roll.
I was speaking of white kids in 1973 not 1953.
 
gregg75 said:
landtuna said:
gregg75 said:
He made black music cool for white kids.

Elvis, Little Richard and Fats Domino were doing that long before Don Cornelius.

Disco probably made more Black artists and music popular among whites than Soul Train as well.

I liked Don although I was not a fan of ST but it is probably a true description that he rode the train of Black emergence as far as he could just as Dick Clark rode Be-bop and Rock n Roll.
I was speaking of white kids in 1973 not 1953.

Try 1956. Seriously though.....by 1973 I suspect most white kids in America were used to Black artists and had heard Soul and true R&B even if they weren't full-time fans. It would only be two more years until Disco hit the airwaves with all the Black performers of that genre.

As a teen in the late 50's I can tell you that record requests at parties and dances I attended (which were overwhelmingly white) were as strong for Johnny Mathis as for Ricky Nelson. In certain parts of the nation color might have made a difference but it didn't seem to in the Pacific Southwest and CA.
 
Soul Train played a significant part in broadening people's musical perspectives--not to mention their dance moves--in the 70s and 80s. Had an impact on what made both CHR and urban contemporary playlists on radio as well.

These days, of course, urban contemporary stations in a lot of markets are strong performers with 12-34 listeners both urban and suburban, white and non-white...in many markets the urban stations have the same cross-cultural mass appeal for younger listeners that the top 40 stations of the past used to enjoy. Don Cornelius and Soul Train played a part and helped further broaden young Americans' tastes along the way.

Thanks, Don...and we'll wish you love, peace and soul...
 
Stanislav said:
borderblaster said:
Had to love the over-the-top fashions and the Afro-Sheen commercials.

Really, what other nationally-distributed shows provided an outlet for black hair-care products and the like to advertise their wares? This was once humorously noted by an African-American comedian who pointed out that you were never going to hear something like "Tonight's episode of Doogie Howser M.D. is brought to you by.........Afro-Sheen!"

Long before BET, Soul Train was the only place on TV to see commercials for black hair care products like Afro Sheen (which they don't make anymore) and Ultra Sheen (which is still around), as well as S-Curl, Dark and Lovely, Gentle Treatment, and other relaxers we HATED using to death! And don't EVEN get me started about Sulfur-8!!

But thanks to Soul Train, there are now small sections devoted to black hair/skin care products in the hair care aisles at stores.

By the way...WGN was the only place where Alaska started getting their Soul Train fix in the early '80s (followed by another chance to catch it locally whether in Anchorage or Fairbanks).
 
nomadcowatbk said:
He didn't seem to be a big fan of gangsta rap, kids of the Soul Train generation (their parents) tuned to BET (or MTV if they were white)

We may be overstating his influence on white audience somewhat. By 1970, when Soul Train went national, Motown and Soul music had already hit the big time. By the mid 70s, when mainstream rock was somewhat in decline, it was a golden age of soul music. Most Top 40 stations played a lot of Motown and soul. R&B stations became popular with white audiences, and were in the Top 10 in many urban areas.

Certainly, by the early 70s, the local Los Angeles (where I lived) dance party shows (The Real Don Steele Show, etc) featured a lot of black artists appearing to sing (actually lip-sync) their latest hit. So while Cornelius certainly had an influence, and would certainly be considered the primary venue for black recording artists, I believe black artists were reaching greater prominence regardless.
 
Lkeller said:
nomadcowatbk said:
He didn't seem to be a big fan of gangsta rap, kids of the Soul Train generation (their parents) tuned to BET (or MTV if they were white)

We may be overstating his influence on white audience somewhat. By 1970, when Soul Train went national, Motown and Soul music had already hit the big time. By the mid 70s, when mainstream rock was somewhat in decline, it was a golden age of soul music. Most Top 40 stations played a lot of Motown and soul. R&B stations became popular with white audiences, and were in the Top 10 in many urban areas.

Certainly, by the early 70s, the local Los Angeles (where I lived) dance party shows (The Real Don Steele Show, etc) featured a lot of black artists appearing to sing (actually lip-sync) their latest hit. So while Cornelius certainly had an influence, and would certainly be considered the primary venue for black recording artists, I believe black artists were reaching greater prominence regardless.

Cleveland-Based Upbeat should also be mentioned here, as many Motown artists made their way to the WEWS studios to guest on Upbeat..
 
nomadcowatbk said:
He didn't seem to be a big fan of gangsta rap, kids of the Soul Train generation (their parents) tuned to BET (or MTV if they were white)

He admittedly wasn't a fan of rap in general, not just the "gangsta" sub-genre, and he would often admit this to the artists' faces directly when they appeared on stage. However, being the astute businessman that he was, and despite his personal tastes, he would let them appear on the show, as Cornelius knew that rap music was becoming increasingly popular with Soul Train's younger audience. Hell, he felt the same way about disco music--he thought that it and rap were "fads".
 
ShawnHill1 said:
Hell, he felt the same way about disco music--he thought that it and rap were "fads".

Turns out he was right. Thankfully......although Disco is, at least, decent dance music.
 
Mostly everyone who posted here brought up great and relevant points, a lot of which I was thinking of had I gotten on here sooner. From me they are very appreciated.

Slightly off-topic, but I've always wondered: who were those courageous stations that got on board in the fall of '71 and set the train in motion?
 
Lkeller said:
nomadcowatbk said:
He didn't seem to be a big fan of gangsta rap, kids of the Soul Train generation (their parents) tuned to BET (or MTV if they were white)

We may be overstating his influence on white audience somewhat. By 1970, when Soul Train went national, Motown and Soul music had already hit the big time. By the mid 70s, when mainstream rock was somewhat in decline, it was a golden age of soul music. Most Top 40 stations played a lot of Motown and soul. R&B stations became popular with white audiences, and were in the Top 10 in many urban areas.

Certainly, by the early 70s, the local Los Angeles (where I lived) dance party shows (The Real Don Steele Show, etc) featured a lot of black artists appearing to sing (actually lip-sync) their latest hit. So while Cornelius certainly had an influence, and would certainly be considered the primary venue for black recording artists, I believe black artists were reaching greater prominence regardless.

Soul Train started in Chicago, & was only local in 1970. It was 1971 when it went nationwide. There was a difference too in the 2 programs. The biggest one is the national one was in color, while the local one was black & white, due to WCIU-TV (the station that recorded the original Soul Train) not going color until 1978. The national Soul Train also had a big studio, while from a few sources found online, that the Chicago Soul Train was in cramped rooms of the Chicago Board of Trade building, where WCIU originally had their station. Had it not been successful in Chicago, it might not have made it to 1st run syndication to be successful nationally.

As a kid, I was too young to even watch the original Chicago Soul Train (wasn't born when it first went on the air locally or nationally). I however remember the nationally syndicated version, & remember WGN-TV always airing the program either at 12 or 12:30pm. American Bandstand was on the next channel on WLS-TV, & they would show that program at 11:00am (both programs on Saturday). Not sure if there was a reason WGN-TV decided to wait to air Soul Train until after AB, but it might have been a smart one to not run ST at the same time as AB.
 
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