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What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

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varehead wrote:
"...aren't we instead heading toward a monopoly in Christian radio? It seems we are losing stations to big networks too often - that means no capitalism just one network everywhere. Is that what you look forward to in radio, if so there are going to be a lot of unemployed people including yourself "e". There are only so many slots open in California and each station sold to this network means a whole lotta people out of work. Just something to think about."


I hardly see the growth of a network equal to a monopoly. FCC won't allow that anyway. It may seem like an unfair advantage, but it wouldn't supply wouldn't work if the demand didn't exist. And I hardly see KLOVE being the ONLY Christian radio station in America. It is one network in several markets, but no where near the threat to the format or to radio as it is made out to be most of the time on these threads.

In response to your "thought provoker": I'm not worried about my employment or unemployement in regard to EMF's expansion, but I've definitely considered all the options consolidation and growth means to the industry I'm a part of. Just as technology and so many other factors have caused one to think as well. One truth in being an entrepreneur is realizing you MUST adapt to where your industry is going...if you plan on remaining in it.


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Radioelizabeth wrote:

> I'm really not too certain I'm seeing how EMF is "not very
> Christ-like" in this action? We really have no idea how God
> is using either of these stations to touch hearts and change
> lives. And none of us know the hearts of those behind these
> decisions. It's a bold assumption and broad judgement to
> define these actions in such a way.

Would Christ promise not to do something, and then go ahead and do it anyway, and then try to justify his action? I think not. I'd guess the earth would have been wiped out by another world-wide flood by now if this was the case.
 
Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

> K-Love has maybe 200 or so stations. So how many of those
> K-Love stations are directly competing with other locally
> owned, full power, full time, non-commercial adult ccm
> middle aged woman stations.

No radio station limits their competition to only other stations that are formatted identically. That's just naive. Listeners aren't in neat little formatic categories. K-Love will attract listeners from all forms of Christian radio, comm or non-comm, and is likely to also have cross-over listenership with AC, light AC, and country stations at the very least. To indicate that you can't justifiably feel threatened by K-Love if you do not fit in the description you gave above is not really accurate.

> Commercial ccm stations do not count...

Why? They compete for the same listener. There aren't separate pools of exclusive non-comm and comm listeners.

> I like the bare facts not someone in the industry who can't
> say where they are from. Don't bother me with that please.
> That is letting out some frustration. Not frustation to
> K-Love because I don't even listen to them but to generic
> posts who can't say who they are and what K-Love station is
> hurting them. That is about it.
>

You're entitled to you opinion. I don't have a problem with people who wish to remain anonymous, though I do not fall in that category.

As for your question "What stations does K-Love compete with specifically?", I don't personally know of any that fit in the strict criteria you defined. I do know of commercial stations that they compete with, and I know of non-comm stations that are not exclusively music that they compete with. Competition, however, is not my problem with K-Love. If you are a local station where K-Love has moved in, you just need to be better than they are. That's not hard, becuase they cannot be local or relevant to your community, and you can. If you at least match their on-air quality AND provide local content, with a good local promotional presence, you should be fine.

My problem with K-Love has to do with their integrity, and it focuses on two points: fundraising and FCC requirements. I mentioned this briefly in an earlier post, but here's a recap:

Fundraising. K-Love is not afraid to go on the air and plead for donations with statements like "your station could go off the air if we don't receive donations." While that is true in a very basic sense, the reality is K-Love raises incredibly more than is needed to cover their operating expenses. They spends millions each year in station acquisitions. That money is above and beyond what is needed to keep "your station" on the air. They do not paint a very accurate picture to their listeners when they are fundraising, and that, to me, is dishonest.

FCC requirements. The law stipulates that license holders must operate to serve the community they are licensed to. The FCC does not usually make it a practice of really investigating or enforcing this particular requirement, but it is something you are required to do. As a Christian, it is only right that you faithfully carry out the letter of the law, even if no one is paying attention. That being said, I do not see how K-Love's practice of purchasing local stations (usually Christian ones), only to nearly eliminate local content and discharge local employees can possibly serve the interests of the community. Where once there was local origination and local content and a staff of people receiving a paycheck and reinvesting that money in the local community, there is now a satellite dish and no local anything on the air and a plea to send your money to California. That can not possibly be serving the community. I couldn't go to bed with that on my conscience, and I don't know how those reponsible at K-Love can.

Please understand, I don't have a problem with their programming, and I am sure the intent of most of the people there is good. I don't know them and I do not know their hearts. I'm sure most of them have never even thought about FCC requirements. But with all of the applications they file with the FCC (hardly a week goes by without seeing at least one K-Love application show up in an FCC ruling), somebody there has to be familiar with the requirments. And that somebody has to know that what K-Love does to the local community is reduce the ability for local public discourse and increase local unemployment. And that's just not right.

OK, now I've gone off topic, I suppose. But being a principal player in an earlier K-Love discussion, it seemed this thread was at least in part a response, and I couldn't help but reply.
 
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> We live in a capitalistic society. This allows for locals to
> follow their dreams and companies like EMF to follow theirs
> also. Best of success to all who try!


That's funny, I thought K-Love was a ministry. Now that I know they're a capitalist company, their actions make perfect sense! :)

Seriously, though, I think you've hit the nail on the head, albeit unintentionally. K-Love operates like a for-profit company, not a not-for-profit ministry. I think that's what bothers people most.
 
Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

> Capitalism is great but aren't we instead heading toward a
> monopoly in Christian radio?

As big as K-Love is, they are nowhere near being a monopoly. Not even close. And even if they do achieve nationwide coverage, that does not mean all other Christian radio outlets will cease to exist.
 
Re: I am offended by sacastic comments

> Not to kick a guy when he is down, but does anyone else find
> it amusing that in a K-LOVE defense thread someone used the
> phrase "Positive and encouraging"?

Indeed, clever use of the slogan has shown up a couple times. Enough to bring a little needed levity to the whole discussion, in my opinion.
 
Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

> I hardly see the growth of a network equal to a monopoly.
> FCC won't allow that anyway.

Yes, the FCC has been a stong force fighting against monopolies across our great land.

Clear Channel owns a good number of radio stations and other media in my city. I remember in the early-mid nineties, the FCC deregulated their ownership laws to accomodate some acquisitions CC wanted to make. I hardly think that governing body would stand in the way of a little, old, "non-profit" Christian radio network operating in the interest of the local community secretly seeking to "take over the world!"

Alright that last part was a bit over the top but you get my point. Do we even need a license to operate any more?
 
Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

> varehead wrote:
> "...aren't we instead heading toward a monopoly in Christian
> radio? It seems we are losing stations to big networks too
> often - that means no capitalism just one network
> everywhere. Is that what you look forward to in radio, if so
> there are going to be a lot of unemployed people including
> yourself "e". There are only so many slots open in
> California and each station sold to this network means a
> whole lotta people out of work. Just something to think
> about."
>
>
> I hardly see the growth of a network equal to a monopoly.
> FCC won't allow that anyway. It may seem like an unfair
> advantage, but it wouldn't supply wouldn't work if the
> demand didn't exist. And I hardly see KLOVE being the ONLY
> Christian radio station in America. It is one network in
> several markets, but no where near the threat to the format
> or to radio as it is made out to be most of the time on
> these threads.
>
> In response to your "thought provoker": I'm not worried
> about my employment or unemployement in regard to EMF's
> expansion, but I've definitely considered all the options
> consolidation and growth means to the industry I'm a part
> of. Just as technology and so many other factors have caused
> one to think as well. One truth in being an entrepreneur is
> realizing you MUST adapt to where your industry is
> going...if you plan on remaining in it.
>
>
> e
>
You can pass on your wisdom to the many who are out of work or the small stations that just felt overwhelmed by the giant in town and sold out.
Each station that sells to the network is doing so with the knowledge that their entire staff, those individual people who have families and need to work, will be without jobs except for the exception of one rep.
Add up their many stations with no staff with the exception of 1 "rep" in each town.
I suppose you could call adapting to the industry leaving the industry, perhaps joining you in doing voice overs or imaging, or they could go to secular stations, or maybe find themselves at Salem, they don't fire their people.
From other organizations, the biggest complaint of Klove (before I even knew who they were)came from their practice of putting people out of work.
 
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scooterodell wrote:
"K-Love operates like a for-profit company, not a not-for-profit ministry. I think that's what bothers people most."

I think what bothers most people is that KLOVE doesn't operate the way THEY would expect or want them to operate, ministry or otherwise.

Ministries are still businesses.

I'm not really sure I see any evidence that KLOVE has not operated like a non-profit on these boards. I've only seen resentment that they don't operate the way some expect or imagine they should.

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I have not seen any evidence KLOVE did anything against their mission or vision.

I have no idea what a person did or did not promise. I don't have those facts, was not there, and would never presume to imagine I knew all the circumstances...

But I DO know that Jesus Christ is the ONLY perfect, sinless man who ever walked this Earth. So until KLOVE, or anyone employed with EMF or any other station starts claiming Diety, I'm not assuming they would be beyond error, poor judgement, sin, or flawed character... as I am also.
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The assumption compares KLOVE to Clear Channel.

Seriously folks... grab a map or globe or atlas... mark every county KLOVE reaches right now.

TONS TONS TONS of territory still there.

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It's simple economics.

And being a Christian or having Godly desires or dreams or aspirations of ministry do not equal job security for anyone.

Every single person in this country has an opportunity to work. In one way or another.

RADIO has got to be one of the most fluid industries to choose from. There are countless numbers of people pounding the door to get a job in this industry, always someone standing right behind you ready to do your job for free...all format, all markets...it's still RADIO. Regardless of growth or expansion, no one's job at any station is truly secure.

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Scooterodell...

I liked your post. :)<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

> The assumption compares KLOVE to Clear Channel.
>
> Seriously folks... grab a map or globe or atlas... mark
> every county KLOVE reaches right now.
>
> TONS TONS TONS of territory still there.
>
> It truly is not the "evil empire" of Christian radio so many
> make it out to be.
>
True.

Clear Channel employs at least a handful of local people for each station they have.
 
Re: I am offended by sacastic comments

> That is saracasium.


Ah, yes....discovered about the same time as cesium, as I recall...
 
Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

> varehead wrote:
>
> Add up their many stations with no staff with the exception
> of 1 "rep" in each town.


Some reps cover several towns, and a few reps cover entire states.
 
Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

> As big as K-Love is, they are nowhere near being a monopoly.
> Not even close. And even if they do achieve nationwide
> coverage, that does not mean all other Christian radio
> outlets will cease to exist.
>


Much as I dislike what K-Love has done in a lot of instances, they are FAR from a Monopoly on Christian Radio, Just as much as Clear Channel, despite owning a lot of stations is no more a monopoly in commerical radio if you look at the number of Commerical stations to what clear channel actually owns.

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Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

>
>" I'm not really sure I see any evidence that KLOVE has not
> operated like a non-profit on these boards. I've only seen
> resentment that they don't operate the way some expect or
> imagine they should."

How can you say you see resentment? Like we are jealous and resentful of their success? That is very incorrect! Of course you don't know me and you have no clue the unethical stuff we put up with but I'm not going there anymore, I vented. Well, let me think about the sentence above again. Do I resent K-Love because I expect them to act with ethics and do business in a Godly manner. If thats resentment, my hand is up. Am I disappointed almost daily in my dealings with them, both hands are up.
I personally don't have time on my hands to sit around and think up evil little deeds. I also don't have it in me to retaliate, I couldn't sleep at night if I did that. Until you have personally experienced a California Corporate mindset steamroller with no concern of how their actions or the mouth of their reps effect their ministry, or those believers watching some of it then I am just talking to the wind.

We do not make a big deal of what they do in public, we suffer quietly through it knowing God will vindicate and do something special in spite of the postion we occasionally find ourselves in. We do that for the sake of those watching, those new believers,those Christians who think we work so well together. Do we work together? yes we do. I do feel that God will bring justice.

Is it fun at the moment? No it isn't. I just happened to have a "warm memory" of a few injustices from the last event with them, read a sentence on this board and boom - it all came out. It probably wasn't the greatest thing to do. You can only take so much :).
 
Re: I am offended by sacastic comments

> > Not to kick a guy when he is down, but does anyone else
> find
> > it amusing that in a K-LOVE defense thread someone used
> the
> > phrase "Positive and encouraging"?
>
> Indeed, clever use of the slogan has shown up a couple
> times.

You're confused, there wasn't anything clever about the usage. :)

HR
 
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