Re: What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.
> > K-Love has maybe 200 or so stations. So how many of those
> > K-Love stations are directly competing with other locally
> > owned, full power, full time, non-commercial adult ccm
> > middle aged woman stations.
>
> No radio station limits their competition to only other
> stations that are formatted identically. That's just naive.
> Listeners aren't in neat little formatic categories.
> K-Love will attract listeners from all forms of Christian
> radio, comm or non-comm, and is likely to also have
> cross-over listenership with AC, light AC, and country
> stations at the very least. To indicate that you can't
> justifiably feel threatened by K-Love if you do not fit in
> the description you gave above is not really accurate
I do not care what other formats K-Love draws listers from. Or that they feel threatened. But it is great if they are. You are starting a conversation totaly away from what I am saying and going on a tagent. I was only writing because many people complain that K-Love hurts other locally owned non-commercial ccm stations. I could care less about secular stations and don't listen to them. It was my post and I can narrow the topic to how I want it. Anyone can write what they want but I really did not want to go there or discuss things having been repeated over and over that I don't agree with anyway.
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> > Commercial ccm stations do not count...
>
> Why? They compete for the same listener. There aren't
> separate pools of exclusive non-comm and comm listeners.
The reason commercial stations do not count is because like it or not K-Love goal is to put a non-commercial ccm in every market of a certain size and above. So like it or not K-Love competes with commercial stations. That is far game. They beleive in non-commercial radio. And people here complain as I have said that K-love hurts local non-comm ccm radio. That is what I thought people were complaining about. But if they mean both so what. I have so sympathy because I prefernon-commercial radio anyway. And it is my post and my topic and i could narrow it however I liked. I don't like commecial radio so I think personally think K-Love needs to be where no non-comm ccm radio is. But in the end the most inportant is as I have said is that we all now K-Love is trying to get into markets without non-comm ccm.
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> > I like the bare facts not someone in the industry who
> can't
> > say where they are from. Don't bother me with that please.
>
> > That is letting out some frustration. Not frustation to
> > K-Love because I don't even listen to them but to generic
> > posts who can't say who they are and what K-Love station
> is
> > hurting them. That is about it.
> >
>
> You're entitled to you opinion. I don't have a problem with
> people who wish to remain anonymous, though I do not fall in
> that category.
If people want to remain unknown that is there right but what I have said is they comments can not be applied to any specific stations then and so we can not know what they are talking about specifically and so there comments don't help me and lead to misunderstandings.
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> As for your question "What stations does K-Love compete with
> specifically?", I don't personally know of any that fit in
> the strict criteria you defined. I do know of commercial
> stations that they compete with, and I know of non-comm
> stations that are not exclusively music that they compete
> with. Competition, however, is not my problem with K-Love.
> If you are a local station where K-Love has moved in, you
> just need to be better than they are. That's not hard,
> becuase they cannot be local or relevant to your community,
> and you can. If you at least match their on-air quality AND
> provide local content, with a good local promotional
> presence, you should be fine.
>
> My problem with K-Love has to do with their integrity, and
> it focuses on two points: fundraising and FCC requirements.
> I mentioned this briefly in an earlier post, but here's a
> recap:
>
> Fundraising. K-Love is not afraid to go on the air and
> plead for donations with statements like "your station could
> go off the air if we don't receive donations." While that
> is true in a very basic sense, the reality is K-Love raises
> incredibly more than is needed to cover their operating
> expenses. They spends millions each year in station
> acquisitions. That money is above and beyond what is needed
> to keep "your station" on the air. They do not paint a very
> accurate picture to their listeners when they are
> fundraising, and that, to me, is dishonest.
I know they say they nay take a station off the air if it does not get suppport. I beleive that is true but only as a very last resort. For listeners wanting music in a professional manner they serve that need. I see nothing wrong with that. Most people do not want teaching and talk stations.
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> FCC requirements. The law stipulates that license holders
> must operate to serve the community they are licensed to.
> The FCC does not usually make it a practice of really
> investigating or enforcing this particular requirement, but
> it is something you are required to do. As a Christian, it
> is only right that you faithfully carry out the letter of
> the law, even if no one is paying attention. That being
> said, I do not see how K-Love's practice of purchasing local
> stations (usually Christian ones), only to nearly eliminate
> local content and discharge local employees can possibly
> serve the interests of the community. Where once there was
> local origination and local content and a staff of people
> receiving a paycheck and reinvesting that money in the local
> community, there is now a satellite dish and no local
> anything on the air and a plea to send your money to
> California. That can not possibly be serving the community.
> I couldn't go to bed with that on my conscience, and I
> don't know how those reponsible at K-Love can.
I don't agree but understand your view point. Mant times local announcers sound bad and I don't care about local announcements. A satillete radio is fine with me. Personally I do not even beleive the fcc should have local community rules. I know most disagree. And I understand messege board draw radio announcers who then post about not liking to lose there jobs. Losing a job is a terrible thing and means there are less christian radio announcer jobs. But as a listener I prefer the national more polished announcers. And I would prefer money going to buying more station then paying for local announcers. I like that system. But i never intended to get into a discussion about that. I want there to be a non-commercial ccm in every market. And only wanted the conversation limited to that. As I have said I believe K-Love should try to that.
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> Please understand, I don't have a problem with their
> programming, and I am sure the intent of most of the people
> there is good. I don't know them and I do not know their
> hearts. I'm sure most of them have never even thought about
> FCC requirements. But with all of the applications they
> file with the FCC (hardly a week goes by without seeing at
> least one K-Love application show up in an FCC ruling),
> somebody there has to be familiar with the requirments. And
> that somebody has to know that what K-Love does to the local
> community is reduce the ability for local public discourse
> and increase local unemployment. And that's just not right.
>
>
> OK, now I've gone off topic, I suppose. But being a
> principal player in an earlier K-Love discussion, it seemed
> this thread was at least in part a response, and I couldn't
> help but reply.
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