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What stations does K-Love compete with specifically? If you can't say don't bother.

Re: Boise and Denver

> EMF has 3 stations in the Boise area. Apparently 2 are air1
> now and a third is silent. Since I am not there I am using
> their station list to assume that. KTSY 89.5 is a popular
> christian AC non-commercial there. I have wondered what
> there plans are. Something is up. Will they eventually put
> on K-Love? I wonder if they have any agreements they made
> with KTSY? I thought it was odd when they bought KARO 98.7
> there a couple of years ago. Maybe they will sell that now?
> The other 2 are 88.3 KARJ and KIDH 90.9. KIDH and KARJ are
> new and from the same tower. Have thaey not made one yet
> because they did not want to compete with KTSY. I am waiting
> to find out what they do.
>
> There are so many stations but another interesting one is in
> Denver apparently K-Love is on both KLDV 91.1 and KFDN 88.1
> there. What's up with that? I would have thought they would
> make 88.1 air1. I wonder if they had to make any agreements
> with wayfm who is in the area from KXWA 89.7 near Fort
> Collins.
>

This one has puzzled me too. EMF paid Colorado Christian University 6 million dollars (I think) for KFDN and a handful of translators around the state. I can't imagine they would spend that much money just to add a second and much weaker KLOVE station to Denver. That doesn't make much sense.

As far as Boise goes, KTSY is a very strong station (financially) with a fantastic signal and a large local presence. Even if KLOVE did come in to town the effect would probably be less that you would imagine.

HR
 
Re: To neautral observer and whatzthat

"I did not ask for any comments about about what I asked and did not want any."

Does this sound a lot like a line from Dr. Seuss?
 
Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

"Like a punch bowl? .... A punch bowl of gossip. Yeah, that
> sounds better."

So I share with you my woes of having this happen and you really think it is just gossip. Interesting! And you also think it is proper for this to happen. May you blessed with this experience yourself if you happen to be in radio or may someone in your job take your ideas and use them for their own. My prayer for you today my brother.
 
Re: Boise and Denver

That WAY-FM puts a great signal into downtown Denver. I'm not sure how well it holds up to the south and there seems to be something else on 89.7 in Colorado Springs. Still - with a WAY-FM there it may be hard for mellower formats to make a go of it, especially if there are several competing for the same audience.
 
Re: wayfm

> That WAY-FM puts a great signal into downtown Denver. I'm
> not sure how well it holds up to the south and there seems
> to be something else on 89.7 in Colorado Springs. Still -
> with a WAY-FM there it may be hard for mellower formats to
> make a go of it, especially if there are several competing
> for the same audience.
>

WAY-FM Denver is one of the best in my opinion WAYFM stations out there. It's not as mellowAC as the main WayFM in Nashville has become. The Way fm stations in GrandRapids and Kalamazoo are another fine example.


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Re: wayfm

Arent' the Ways in Rapids and Kally-zoo unrelated to the "Dusty Rhoads" Ways?



> > That WAY-FM puts a great signal into downtown Denver. I'm
>
> > not sure how well it holds up to the south and there seems
>
> > to be something else on 89.7 in Colorado Springs. Still -
>
> > with a WAY-FM there it may be hard for mellower formats to
>
> > make a go of it, especially if there are several competing
>
> > for the same audience.
> >
>
> WAY-FM Denver is one of the best in my opinion WAYFM
> stations out there. It's not as mellowAC as the main WayFM
> in Nashville has become. The Way fm stations in GrandRapids
> and Kalamazoo are another fine example.
>
 
Re: wayfm

Lenks wrote:
"The Way fm stations in GrandRapids and Kalamazoo are another fine example"

These stations are not a part of the WAY-FM Network. (Denver is)

For WAY-FM network stations: www.wayfm.com



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Re: wayfm

> Arent' the Ways in Rapids and Kally-zoo unrelated to the
> "Dusty Rhoads" Ways?
>

They must not be releated to the Nashville Owned. I didn't know that. I figured WAYFM (the big one) would have the name "WayFM" trademarked and outsiders "could not" use it. The way in GR is owned by Cornerstone Univ I beleive, not related to the Nashville Folks!

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Re: wayfm

> WAY-FM Denver is one of the best in my opinion WAYFM
> stations out there. It's not as mellowAC as the main WayFM
> in Nashville has become. The Way fm stations in GrandRapids
> and Kalamazoo are another fine example.

Its a good one, for sure. I wish they would stream the WAY's individually the "way" they used to. There is so much variabiltity within their network I hesitate to call it a network. If they put one of the better WAY-FM's on the satellite for the Dominion Sky Angel feed, it might be worth the $10 a month to add it to Dish network.
 
Re: wayfm

Not a problem here, my friend.

You WOULD think that Way FM would have the name exclusively.

But maybe they're just too nice to sue people over it.

I'd say that's admirable if that's the case.




> > Arent' the Ways in Rapids and Kally-zoo unrelated to the
> > "Dusty Rhoads" Ways?
> >
>
> They must not be releated to the Nashville Owned. I didn't
> know that. I figured WAYFM (the big one) would have the
> name "WayFM" trademarked and outsiders "could not" use it.
> The way in GR is owned by Cornerstone Univ I beleive, not
> related to the Nashville Folks!
>
> Sorry for the misunderstanding.
>
 
Re: wayfm

again...

these are not the same network.

www.wayfm.com

www.way.fm


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trademark

Gary Thompson wrote:
"But maybe they're just too nice to sue people over it. I'd say that's admirable if that's the case."

Gary...

I didn't think I'd see the day we disagreed? :(

Tell me you don't really think it is wrong to take ownership of what is rightly yours? Nice? Business isn't nice. People are nice. (like you for instance) :)

This particular instance does not apply...(you would need to talk to both www.wayfm.com AND www.way.fm to receive clarity on it all)...BUT...

Where trademarks and copyrights are concerned, I favor the right to do fair business over "too nice to sue".

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Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

> Who cares that K-Love came to a christian concert put on by
> another station. What a punch of gossip. I am glad they came
> to promote themselves. And without knowing exact stations it
> really means nothing to me. People should get along and
> welcome them as brothers in the Lord.

This board is the only place I've seen mention of K-Love crashing concerts. Can anyone provide documented (or at least specific) examples?

Based on the evidence of where I've lived in my ~26 years on this planet, I'd say the majority of Christian concerts go unsponsored. This would actually be an opportunity for EMF to make some real gains in their listening audience; I went to an Inhabited concert with a mere 30 people in attendance in Jeffersonville, Indiana back when "Rescue Me" was one of the hottest songs on Air1! Even if they take the route of welcoming concerts that only have marginal connections to their playlist (like WJIE and Shoutfest), they could gain a lot of new listeners relatively cheaply. <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: trademark

"Where trademarks and copyrights are concerned, I favor the right to do fair business over "too nice to sue"."

That's interesting. I'm not sure what to say. I thought since you think it is ok for stations to infringe on other station's events that are exclusively theirs in which they have worked heard and created their own creative promotions that this one would be a given.
So what you are saying is, let me be sure, I'm repeating it again, that a station that has worked hard to create something that is theirs, it should remain exclusively theirs?
Very contradictory to other comments from you, or do you just like to disagree? Isn't it just capitalism for the other wayfm as you quoted elsewhere.
Personally I know both the owner of the network and some of the onair staff at the WAYFM stations and they are great people doing a great work for the Lord. Very nice to work with!
 
Re: trademark

It was bound to happen sometime. =)


I just think there are some areas where capitalism (or any form of government) and scripture don't see eye to eye when it comes to the body dealing with the body.

Lawsuits are one of them.

I see places where Jesus eludes to (and Paul in an outright fashion says) that it's preferable to be wronged than for Christians to take legal action against one another in the courts of the land. It says that we should settle these matters it amongst ourselves...the church.

Some see this as a fuzzy area. And I would agree that it IS open to debate and interperetation. If we were to take what Paul says about it at face-value, then some could argue that to use the legal justice system for a lawsuit when two Christians are involved is a disgrace.

I'm not saying that I agree with this. But it could be strongly argued that this is what Paul is saying.

Now here's where I draw my belief. Based on what scripture says about this...when two entities are involved that present themselves as ministries, I admire an entity who reserves the right to sue...but refrains from it out of percieved obedience to scripture.

All things are (legally) permissible. But not all things are (spiritually) profitable.

But maybe there's scripture that puts what Paul said about lawsuits between believers in a different light. If so...let's hear it. I may be off. I'm growing just like anyone else and appreciate the wisdom and enlightened insite of anyone who can help me learn and grow.

Now, this topic IS loosely related to radio because of the station trademark aspect. So let's discuss this.

Everyone feel free to join in who has a well thought-out response.





>
> I didn't think I'd see the day we disagreed? :(
>
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Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

>
> This board is the only place I've seen mention of K-Love
> crashing concerts. Can anyone provide documented (or at
> least specific) examples?
>
I have a few examples. Exclusive concert with Bryan Duncan where the rep of the above mentioned station flew over to the church giving the concert grabbed the exclusive flyers and said they were needed right now - confused the church people completely and of course the main promoter (local station) of the concert had no flyers. Mind you, this concert was never promoted by above mentioned station, their name was not on the flyer and yet because the flyers were in the hands of the above mentioned station, it gave them the right to beg for a table and try to get in the green room.
Audio Adrenaline Concert and Downhere -exclusive concert for the local station, not the CA station - they were told not to show up in garb and they would not have a table. They showed up in garb and did networking everywhere they could with business cards, bumper stickers etc. even after the Pastor of the church told them no. There are many more - I especially like the one where the local station promoted a big concert, Mercy Me - rep dropped by the venue earlier during the day, made a deal with the venue without knowledge of the concert promoter that their table would be the only one on the main floor, and the night of the concert, other stations were moved to the balcony -of course not easily seen.
Perhaps I could bring up the many times things are removed from local station's table and used by the CA station to give away at their table. They are now stamped so that should cut that down.
Another "oldie but goodie" is the time local station had Jill Phillips in the studio, did interviews and let an acoustic set. She was to appear at at bookstore that afternoon , Store manager was remarking to people around her that she was afraid to do the introduction, one of which listening was "you know who", staff of station who had her in the studio wasn't in the immediate circle to hear the comments. The next thing you know the rep is introducing the artist doing a whole introduction and info speech about Klove. Store is furious and so is station who brought her.
There are so many more. These reps must be under a lot of pressure to succeed no matter what.
 
Re: sorry

Like I said, I am sorry for the misunderstanding, I did not realize (when I mentioned them in the same post) that they where not related (with the exception of same name and a few simular slogans (word on the way)

Anyways, their not owned or have anything to do with each other, sorry for the misunderstanding...



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Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

That's very similar to what I've been exposed to, as well. From a reliable source, I've heard the local rep near here works like this -- show up at the arena earlier than early, approach doors carrying sound gear, state "we're from the radio station" (note the generic nature of that), get in, and set up.
 
Re: Reply and Regarding threads as this...

That's very similar to what I've been exposed to, as well.
> From a reliable source, I've heard the local rep near here
> works like this -- show up at the arena earlier than early,
> approach doors carrying sound gear, state "we're from the
> radio station" (note the generic nature of that), get in,
> and set up."
>
I too have also heard from other stations in different states/areas with them and it seems to be their mode of operation. That gave me a lot of insight into how to handle each surprise. They are heavy duty players.
A group of Christian stations in my area got together to discuss it a few years ago,(I wasn't the one who called the meeting:)). We had all worked well together and these other stations were freaking. Infact one refused to do anything with "them".
I just needed somewhere to vent because of something that recently happened :)I know we all are territorial but I never knew a Christian station would go as far as this one does.
 
whatzthat...

whatzthat wrote:
"I thought since you think it is ok for stations to infringe on other station's events that are exclusively theirs in which they have worked heard and created their own creative promotions that this one would be a given."


whatzthat,

Please do not put words in my mouth or presume to understand my motives or thoughts.

Your misunderstanding or inability to comprehend my posts does not equal any contradictions on my part.

Trademarks cost money. There is a reason they are sought after. Copyrights protect original material and ensure proper credit and compensation.

If a station has a trademark or service mark on a product or service, they have every right to use any legal means possible to protect it.

It might do you some good to actually research a topic prior to posting:
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/

It might also do good to actually READ words posted. Regarding WAY-FM: I have not stated that this is a trademark, nor have I said either should or shouldn't claim ownership over it specifically.

Regarding station events...Your above assumption and post is incorrect and I will not waste my words again participating in your bitterness over an event that I know nothing about.


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