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What would you do if you had the ability to buy a radio cluster in Seattle?

That's funny. I spent a lot of time on K Street, and I'm here to tell you that broadcasters are the poorest of the lobbyists on that street. The REAL big budgets are the guys at the telecom companies. You want to know why you really have no choice in cable or phone? I can tell you why. And why radio is LESS than an afterthought.

I agree the NAB is a dinosaur but what they and others did previously set the stage for the change in ownership rules, so much they fought and lobbied against XM and other satellite services from offering local content
 
I checked the KMPS playlist. They have retired everything that is about 15 years or older, and many over 10. Their oldest is 19 years old (1995 George Strait "Check Yes or No"). Very sad.

This station in Glen Rose/Fort Worth, TX: www.921hankfm.com
is a great station! Their playlist is huge and the songs range from the 1960s up to 2014. Many #20 and #30 2000s songs as well.

I'd be interested in a bandscan on top of either Mt. Constance in the Olympics, Mt. Pilchuck near Everett, Mt. Baker, or the top of Mt. Rainier. Oh, and Mt. Si as well.

-crainbebo
 
This goes back to declining ad revenue, especially for small markets. They can't even afford syndication in what used to be 'full service' radio with news, music and personalities throughout the day and night.

Radio revenues are up from around $12 billion in 2008 to over $17 billion projected for 2014.
 
I checked the KMPS playlist. They have retired everything that is about 15 years or older, and many over 10. Their oldest is 19 years old (1995 George Strait "Check Yes or No"). Very sad.

This station in Glen Rose/Fort Worth, TX: www.921hankfm.com
is a great station! Their playlist is huge and the songs range from the 1960s up to 2014. Many #20 and #30 2000s songs as well.

I'd be interested in a bandscan on top of either Mt. Constance in the Olympics, Mt. Pilchuck near Everett, Mt. Baker, or the top of Mt. Rainier. Oh, and Mt. Si as well.

-crainbebo

I might be able to hook you guys up with a band scan on Mount Rainier in the future. If anywhere else comes to mind, let me know. I did a band scan in the illustrious city of Port Orchard, Washington the other day, but the results were not interesting enough to post.

As for the country music stations. The older songs were the only reason I was able to listen without too much complaint (bear in mind that this was only in the summer of 2013, so the retirement of 1990's country songs is a newer development). I think KMPS should try to retain their dignity and not pander the way that KKWF does. I would always count on an older song once in a while on KMPS.
 
The older songs were the only reason I was able to listen without too much complaint (bear in mind that this was only in the summer of 2013, so the retirement of 1990's country songs is a newer development).

Country had been the last hold-out for tolerance, but that seems to be changing all over the country. We seem to be at a point like 1990, where the young folks hate the old stuff, and the old folks hate the new stuff. The fans of Alan Jackson don't like Jason Aldean or Brantley Gilbert. So it's going to be a one-or-the-other thing soon. It's not just Seattle, but nationally.
 
Country had been the last hold-out for tolerance, but that seems to be changing all over the country. We seem to be at a point like 1990, where the young folks hate the old stuff, and the old folks hate the new stuff. The fans of Alan Jackson don't like Jason Aldean or Brantley Gilbert. So it's going to be a one-or-the-other thing soon. It's not just Seattle, but nationally.

I hear you. If a fan of older country music tunes in to any of these hot country stations, they are in for a sad surprise. I don't think KKWF or KMPS are feeling any backlash for the rather recent changes in their playlists, either. Perhaps all of the people who listened for the occasional classic decided to jump ship when they realized that you only hear one 90's song per hour (if you were lucky). I detested the current country hit parade, but the older songs of the 1990's were nice. They kept me from ripping the radio out of the dashboard at least. Well that might be a bit extreme.. ;)

If NASH comes into Seattle, we can loop forward to yet another station doing the same thing.
 


Radio revenues are up from around $12 billion in 2008 to over $17 billion projected for 2014.

and...According to BIA/Kelsey, local spending on traditional media will fall to $108.2 billion in 2014 from $115 billion in 2009. During the same period, spending on all online and interactive media is projected to grow to $36.7 billion in 2014 from $15.2 billion in 2009. The consultant estimates 55% of all U.S spending in 2009 was on local media.
 
and...According to BIA/Kelsey, local spending on traditional media will fall to $108.2 billion in 2014 from $115 billion in 2009. During the same period, spending on all online and interactive media is projected to grow to $36.7 billion in 2014 from $15.2 billion in 2009. The consultant estimates 55% of all U.S spending in 2009 was on local media.

The biggest decline in traditional media is in local newspapers, local (city) magazines, Yellow Pages and local direct mail. Radio is up nearly 40% from 2008 to this year.
 
If NASH comes to town expect no more Garth Brooks or 1990s-00s George Strait. Just Florida Georgia Line rapping and Rascal Flatts' "Rewind" blah every two hours.

-crainbebo
 


The biggest decline in traditional media is in local newspapers, local (city) magazines, Yellow Pages and local direct mail. Radio is up nearly 40% from 2008 to this year.
Except in small market radio. The big box houses do use radio, but not local radio. And the big box houses are displacing the local businesses that did use local radio. Local radio ends up running national advertising for free in order to get programming. The metro markets seem to be doing very very well, especially now that they have cut talent cost to the bone.
 
Except in small market radio. The big box houses do use radio, but not local radio. And the big box houses are displacing the local businesses that did use local radio. Local radio ends up running national advertising for free in order to get programming. The metro markets seem to be doing very very well, especially now that they have cut talent cost to the bone.

Good point. My intent was to refute the "radio is dead" idea that has permeated this board recently. I neglected to mention that local revenue, even in some of the rated markets, is being impacted by the loss of community-based retailers.

Would this have happened even were there no recession? I have a friend with some stations in Northern AZ who believes that the recession was the tipping point for many local businesses which folded over the last half-decade. In that area, he is also seeing downsizing and cuts in ad budgets due to the uncertainties or increases in health care costs.
 
Recently? There have been people posting here for years saying radio is dead.

But lately, in a really Spinal Tap move, they have dialed the volume up to 11.
 
Recently? There have been people posting here for years saying radio is dead.

Unfortunately, certain types of radio are dead (i.e, the formats that we typically discuss on this forum, and how we wish they were found in Seattle) while other formats are very much alive (such as country and CHR/Hot AC, Rhythmic CHR, fill in the blank).
 
Unfortunately, certain types of radio are dead (i.e, the formats that we typically discuss on this forum, and how we wish they were found in Seattle) while other formats are very much alive (such as country and CHR/Hot AC, Rhythmic CHR, fill in the blank).

You're talking about formats, my point was about radio in general. You can go over the years of threads here and see, usually the regulars, repeatedly saying radio as a medium is dead.

Some formats are indeed dead for reasons some refuse to believe.
 
I give KGY a while longer until it sells. (Hispanic, religious?) KRXA in Monterey just sold for 300k to a religious broadcaster, less than what was paid for it and what was invested. The metropolitan clusters have a big effect on stations in the fringe.
 
I give KGY a while longer until it sells. (Hispanic, religious?) KRXA in Monterey just sold for 300k to a religious broadcaster, less than what was paid for it and what was invested. The metropolitan clusters have a big effect on stations in the fringe.

That would be a shame. I do enjoy KGY occasionally.
 
I really enjoyed that "Cool Classics and Hot Hits" mix they had a few years ago on KGY - "The Sound"! Great music mix from 1970-2010.

-crainbebo
 
I really enjoyed that "Cool Classics and Hot Hits" mix they had a few years ago on KGY - "The Sound"! Great music mix from 1970-2010.

-crainbebo

In my opinion, the best possible scenario of what SHOULD have happened with south sound radio goes as follows:

1. KAYO 99.3 does not flip, and remains a country music station to present day.
2. "La Grande" utilizes 102.9 for their programming.
3. KGY-FM finds another interesting format (not classic country as KKXA already has that covered).
 
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