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WHDH bumping Leno's new show, will air news at 10:00

bpatrick said:
w9wi said:
MarcB said:
There's a big difference. Most of the FOX stations (if not all of them) still cleared the show. Ed Ansin is talking about not clearing Leno at all. I think a network affiliate should carry all prime-time programming whether it be live or on tape delay.
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I wonder if WHDH proposed not clearing the show at all, or if they just proposed tape-delaying it the way the Fox stations did & NBC said "no"?
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I remember when NBC allowed only Minneapolis and Birmingham to delay
Johnny Carson. Maybe NBC said "no" to WHDH tape-delaying the show.
But as for an affiliate carrying all network programming, which I prefer,
you still have to look at the ratings. If a network show isn't performing,
the affiliate ought to be able to pre-empt it and put on something that will;
that's been the rule up until recent years as the networks have cracked
down on pre-emptions. It's also why I asked how Leno does in Boston.
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For several years in the 80s, Nashville's WSMV didn't clear Carson AT ALL; the show was picked up by then-independent WZTV.
 
Ken said:
I don't see why they just don't stick with Leno and see how he does at 10pm. What if its a strong ratings draw that would be great for the 11pm newscast. Lets see what happens.
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Considering that a nightly talk show at 10PM is uncharted territory, this is practically a digital game of "chicken". If Leno at 10PM defeats the dramas on the other networks and the 10PM news on the local Fox stations, WHDH will wish they have carried Jay's show (even so if they lose the NBC affil because of it). On the other hand, if Jay flops against the 10PM competition, WHDH would have successfully played its gambit, in such a way that, worst case scenario, would force NBC to give up 10PM to its affiliates.
 
This whole argument seems ridiculous. Why not just put the news on Channel 7.1 and Leno on Channel 7.2

You don't need to show news in high def. You could show Leno in high def on 7.2 and news on 7.1

This is the kind of thing digital TV was made for.

Of course then WHDH wouldn't be getting all this free publicity for their newscast. I think this is media hype to up the ratings.

NBC managed to push KNTV into SF (well almost) so there is probably thinking on their part they could do the same thing in Boston. Probably NBC will badger the FCC into allowing them to change the way they map PSIP.

Lastly how well does NBC from Providence RI filter into Boston?
 
I am surprised KSL-TV/Salt Lake, owned by the LDS/Mormon church, still has an NBC affiliation, given how they preempt (no Saturday Night Live, which airs on another station from what I read). NBC doesn't like preemptions, and has a bad attitude about it.
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They easily tolerate that more because the SNL situation with SLC went all the way back to when NBC was on KUTV-2; they pre-empted it also, and for the longest time it has aired on another more tolerant station in the market. I think that's one case where the community standards are weighed against those of the networks, and NBC does not want to make an enemy of the LDS Church by forcing them to air a show they didn't want to air.

WTMJ in Milwaukee has a little more latitude in pre-emption since it's been an NBC affiliate going way back to the radio days in the 30's and the last thing NBC is ever going to want to do is tick off one of their charter stations and have to flop over to a Sinclair signal (the only option outside of a distant TBN signal in the Milwaukee market). They did used to not air Conan until 12:05 (I think at the beginning they even went back to 12:35), and they did refuse Carson for most of the 80s, which went to WVTV-18. They still get to pre-empt a Saturday night here and there for infomercials or locally-programmed movies stretched out to three hours just there to facilitate long money-racking commercial breaks. Beyond that though, they are the only one to pre-empt anything network in the market except for WDJT/Billy Graham specials.

WCVB will not take NBC; they were created in the first place back in the 70's because of the original WHDH's license problems, and got a very lenient ABC affiliation contract allowing them the freedom to air local programming over network stuff to make up for what WHDH-5 did very wrong. They've pretty much fallen in line since then, but as WCVB is Hearst's prestiege station, they are very unlikely to want to give up ABC for NBC's problems.
 
Are you kidding? Your competition talking about it is free publicity. It's a good thing.

As for Leno's future, if neither Steve Allen nor Jack Paar could jump from the Tonight Show to prime time, let alone doing it five nights a week, I don't see how Leno could. He's arguably one of the weaker hosts in the show's history.
 
Here In Missoula in the 80's KECI had Both ABC and NBC affiliations (KTMF Wouldn't sign on until 1991)
And They Didn't even air Carson, But we also had KHQ from Spokane Available on cable
 
cowboybud said:
bpatrick said:
I wonder if WHDH proposed not clearing the show at all, or if they just proposed tape-delaying it the way the Fox stations did & NBC said "no"?
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For several years in the 80s, Nashville's WSMV didn't clear Carson AT ALL; the show was picked up by then-independent WZTV.
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Anyone remember what they replaced Carson with on Channel 4?

Another prime example is the CBS affiliate in Sioux City, Iowa delaying "Letterman" for many years with other fare, like "Cheers" reruns. This is likely why the Letterman "home office" that generated the nightly Top Ten list was based in Sioux City for many years.
 
WSMV replaced Carson with reruns of "Three's
Company" and (IIRC) "Barney Miller."

WMAR Baltimore, when it was an NBC affiliate,
dumped Carson for "Thicke Of The Night," and
Carson ended up on WBFF/45, independent then,
Fox now. Carson did move back to Ch. 2, and
Leno has been on WBAL/11 since it switched back
to NBC from CBS.

BTW, neither Steve Allen nor Jack Paar had lengthy
runs in prime time, but Allen did give Ed Sullivan fits
when they were head-to-head (1956-59), especially
when he booked Elvis and got four times Ed's audience
(which is how Ed came to book Elvis for three appearances,
the ones most people remember now). Paar did have a
Friday-night show on NBC from 1962-65.
 
Why don't they just put Leno on Channel 56? That would make sense concidering they have 2 signals in Boston. Why the same newscast on 7 and 56? That just makes no sense. I guess Leno on 60. CBS/WB should put CW on 38 and leave Sumbeam without a network on 2 stations in a city.
 
mrschimpf said:
They easily tolerate that more because the SNL situation with SLC went all the way back to when NBC was on KUTV-2; they pre-empted it also, and for the longest time it has aired on another more tolerant station in the market.
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I can't speak for SNL and KUTV for the entire time, however I do know
that circa 1979-1980, KUTV did air SNL, but delayed it an additional hour
to 11:30 MT (instead of in pattern at 10:30). This from the Utah edition
of TV Guide from that era.
 
Lkeller said:
That would be short-sided of WHDH. Network popularity is cyclical. NBC was rated a poor third among the Big 3 networks in the 70s with much worse programming than they have now, then became number one in the 80s once they dumped Fred Silverman.

Young Broadcasting - owners of KRON 4 in San Francisco are a good object lesson of what can happen when the NBC gets angry and pulls their affiliation. In 2002, Young TV had just purchased KRON for a record-breaking $800 million and suddenly found themselves as an independent station unable to service their debt. Young is now in bankruptcy and the KRON debacle is the reason.

Granted that it was different circumstances in KRON's case, but I doubt WHDH would want to be an independent station in this 200+ channel world, not to mention this economy.
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I was going to site the same case. Foolish on behalf of WHDH. And to think it is Leno's hometown?
 
Almost. Jay grew up in Andover, MA to the northwest (it's in the I-495 corridor). Conan O'Brien is from Brookline, MA, which borders Boston and gets fairly close to Fenway Park, driving past it on I-90 (Massachusetts Turnpike).
 
Well you know, I'm from Brookline but I usually tell people I'm from Boston... It's all kinda the same area. Also, I believe Leno did say that he once lived off Comm Ave, so you could still say he's from Boston.
 
If you are within the Thirty Mile Zone you can say you are from a particular city. How does that work for you? Sounds good to me.
 
daryll said:
I believe the networks have been very desirous of direct distribution to the viewing public anyway and the coming day when they will not need local affiliates. The network's biggest obstacle is the loss of the local news lead-in.
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What would happen to local news without the draw of network programming?
 
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