Where Do You Think The (Rest Of) HD Subchannels Will Be Located In Your Area?

[JeeperOne]

Got to thinking about this late last night & thought it'd be a great idea for a fun thread. I'll start with my hometown (Denver)

KWGN-DT 2

2.2 - MeToo (I'm not convinced the "Dot 2" network will ever get off the ground now)
2.3 - MeTV

KCNC-DT 4

No subchannels (CBS doesn't believe in them)

KRMA-DT 6

No additional subchannels (I think they have them all)

KMGH-DT 7

7.3 - CoolTV (Possibility only)

KUSA-DT 9

9.3 - Untamed Sports (Only if Comcast kills Universal Sports)

KTVD-DT 20

20.2 - ThisTV
20.3 - Untamed Sports (Unless Comcast kills Universal Sports)

KDVR 31

31.3 CoolTV (Only if KMGH 7 doesn't pick it up)

KRMT-DT 41 & KPXC-DT 59 will have nothing but religious & children's fare.

Did I miss anything? Thoughts?

What's yours?

Cheers

 

[anotherguyTN]

In Memphis ME-TV will probably end up on WMC, since they already have THIS TV, probably replacing Weather Plus.

WREG has Antenna TV and WLMT has RTV, so they probably won't do anything else.

In Jackson, TN WBBJ probably won't add anything to the weather radar and the main channel with SAP (Which is useless most of the time).

WPTY and WHBQ in Memphis and WJKT in Jackson will probably sit on their backsides and not do anything with the major subchannels. WHBQ is a Fox O&O, and wasn't it mentioned in another thread that they don't allow subchannels?

 

[tripinva]

KWGN-DT 2

2.2 - MeToo (I'm not convinced the "Dot 2" network will ever get off the ground now)
2.3 - MeTV

1) MeToo is a local network in Chicago. Not national.
2) 2-2 has been announced as an affiliate of This TV. (Why it hasn't shown up yet, I have no idea.)
3) Why would Tribune pick up MeTV, a network in direct competition with their own Antenna TV?

KMGH-DT 7

7.3 - CoolTV (Possibility only)

Considering it's been announced on the Cool TV affiliates page and has launched on sister station KGTV in San Diego, I'd say it's more than a possibility.

KTVD-DT 20

20.2 - ThisTV
20.3 - Untamed Sports (Unless Comcast kills Universal Sports)

See my above comment about This TV. Gannett does not own any This TV affiliates in any other markets. For that matter, Gannett doesn't own any Untamed Sports affiliates, either.

KDVR 31

31.3 CoolTV (Only if KMGH 7 doesn't pick it up)

Since KGTV is picking it up, this is not happening.

- Trip

 

[FightingIrish]

Got to thinking about this late last night & thought it'd be a great idea for a fun thread. I'll start with my hometown (Denver)

KWGN-DT 2

2.2 - MeToo (I'm not convinced the "Dot 2" network will ever get off the ground now)
2.3 - MeTV

...

EDIT: I realized that KDVR has Antenna TV. I don't see them picking up MeTV, since they're a competitor to Tribune's own channel. But stranger things have happened.

Forget about MeToo. That's only on in Chicago (and soon in Milwaukee). And it's only on Weigel stations.

 

[JeeperOne]

KWGN-DT 2

2.2 - MeToo (I'm not convinced the "Dot 2" network will ever get off the ground now)
2.3 - MeTV

1) MeToo is a local network in Chicago. Not national.
2) 2-2 has been announced as an affiliate of This TV. (Why it hasn't shown up yet, I have no idea.)
3) Why would Tribune pick up MeTV, a network in direct competition with their own Antenna TV?

I suppose that's true. However Tribune no longer owns KWGN 2 IIRC so when you really think about it, anything is possible.

KMGH-DT 7

7.3 - CoolTV (Possibility only)

Considering it's been announced on the Cool TV affiliates page and has launched on sister station KGTV in San Diego, I'd say it's more than a possibility.

Really? KMGH doesn't exactly strike me as a station that would be interested in carrying a 24/7 music video channel. Having said that, stranger things have happened

KTVD-DT 20

20.2 - ThisTV
20.3 - Untamed Sports (Unless Comcast kills Universal Sports)

For that matter, Gannett doesn't own any Untamed Sports affiliates, either.

That don't mean they won't someday. Besides, suppose Universal Sports finally takes off (Not saying that it will mind you but still)? Universal Sports would take care of their NBC affiliates BUT what about their CBS, ABC & MyNetwork affiliates? What's there to cover them? (Incidentally, KTVD does own the rights to Denver Broncos games when they are on MNF or NFL Network & until recently had the rights to select Colorado Rockies games produced by FSN Rocky Mountain)

KDVR 31

31.3 CoolTV (Only if KMGH 7 doesn't pick it up)

 

[tripinva]

I suppose that's true. However Tribune no longer owns KWGN 2 IIRC so when you really think about it, anything is possible.

Where did you hear that? Tribune most certainly owns KWGN.

Really? KMGH doesn't exactly strike me as a station that would be interested in carrying a 24/7 music video channel. Having said that, stranger things have happened

Yes, really. Observe:

http://www.thecooltv.com/ChannelGuide.php
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2011/01/18/48461/cool-tv-inks-affiliate-deal-with-mcgrawhill
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/462551-McGraw_Hill_Grabs_CoolTV.php
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:92101#lineup_1172396

That don't mean they won't someday. Besides, suppose Universal Sports finally takes off (Not saying that it will mind you but still)? Universal Sports would take care of their NBC affiliates BUT what about their CBS, ABC & MyNetwork affiliates? What's there to cover them?

Universal Sports is not an NBC exclusive. NBC offered it to NBC affiliates first, but for any that haven't accepted by now, it's up for grabs in those markets. Observe some of the stations on the affiliate list: http://www.rabbitears.info/search.php?request=network_search&network=universal+sports

So if Gannett wanted it for KXTV in Sacramento, they'd be welcome to it. No need for Untamed Sports which targets a completely different demographic.

- Trip

 

[Robnoxious]

What is missing from the Los Angeles subchannel landscape is something that caters to any language under the sun that isn't English. Such a thing is sorely unaccounted for here.

 

[gregg75]

In Atlanta they will probably all be on the new WTBS-LP (yes, somebody brought the
call letters back) TV 26. It is a sister station to WANN-LP 32, which has 10 subs and
several radio signals. Both are owned by Prism Broadcasting. Currently WTBS is re-
peating what's on WANN. Hopefully that will change soon and we will maybe get some
Me-TV or Antenna TV. They have pretty good coverage unless it's windy or raining.

All the big fat cat regular stations don't have much interest in subs. WSB has Retro TV
but most have nothing or weather/Universal sports, ION, religious and PBS stuff.
We also have 2 low power Korean stations.

Ok, as of today 26 and 32 are doing their own thing.....
WANN WTBS
32.1 program guide 26.1 country music (guitar logo)
32.2 Tr3s (spanish music) 26.2 BIZ tv
32.3 This-TV 26.3 program guide
32.4 prism (local movies) 26.4 nothing
32.5 oldie goldie (local b&w) 26.5 oldie goldie
32.6 LATV (latino - latina) 26.6 prism
32.7 TUFF-TV 26.7 This-TV
32.8 Legacy (family tv) 26.8 color bars
32.9 jewelry tv 26.9 Tr3s
32.10 cornerstone (sales) 26.10 jewelry tv
PLUS RADIO STATIONS on WANN only

 

[vchimpanzee]

Clarification: HD subchannels are something radio does, not TV. In radio, HD stands for Hybrid Digital.

On TV, the HD channel or channels would be subchannels. I've never heard of multiple HD subchannels for one channel, but I suppose it's possible. HD subchannels take up a lot more space than standard subchannels. I guess there'd be mltiple HD channels if several primary channels (I'm referring to what used to be just "channels" in the days of analog) were forced to share, with one becoming a subchannel of the other.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

I've already said that I expect MeTV to show up on Raycom's WUAB/43.3, next to MGM/Weigel's This TV on 43.2.

 

[Tim from Springfield IL]

In Springfield, IL (whose market also includes Decatur and Champaign), for about the past year we have been noticing that we are supposed to be getting Cool TV and the Country Network on our local Sinclair stations (WICS-20 Springfield, WICD-15 Champaign), both Sinclair-owned ABC affiliates and sister stations (simulcast everything except local news and commericals). However, we still have yet to see those channels--even though Cool is on the air on neighboring market Sinclair stations in Peoria/Bloomington (WYZZ-43.2) and even the infamous KDNL in St. Louis (and I think they may even have Country Network too).

But I'm not holding my breath that Springfield viewers will see Cool or Country Network anytime soon.

As far as the other HD subchannels--I'm not holding my breath on any of those in our market, considering the ownership of our local stations (two sets of which are owned by Sinclair and Nexstar).

 

[gbranch]

I've never heard of multiple HD subchannels for one channel, but I suppose it's possible. HD subchannels take up a lot more space than standard subchannels. I guess there'd be mltiple HD channels if several primary channels (I'm referring to what used to be just "channels" in the days of analog) were forced to share, with one becoming a subchannel of the other.

2 HD streams on one channel are being done in many smaller markets. Examples:

Beaumont, TX - KBMT 12-1 ABC 720p, 12-2 NBC 720p
Sherman, TX - KXII 12-1 CBS 1080i, 12-2 MyN 480i, 12-3 FOX 720p
Alexandria, LA - KALB 5-1 NBC 1080i, 5-2 CBS 1080i

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

2 HD streams on one channel are being done in many smaller markets. Examples:

Beaumont, TX - KBMT 12-1 ABC 720p, 12-2 NBC 720p
Sherman, TX - KXII 12-1 CBS 1080i, 12-2 MyN 480i, 12-3 FOX 720p
Alexandria, LA - KALB 5-1 NBC 1080i, 5-2 CBS 1080i

Youngstown, OH - WKBN 27-1 CBS 720p (downconvert), 27-2 Fox 720p

 

[rgseark2009]

In Springfield MO, The CW was moved from a SDTV subchannel on KYTV to an HD one on KSPR (ABC on "33-1", CW on "33-2"). KSPR's airtime is being leased to KYTV that market's NBC affiliate. KYTV was airing a local wx channel (org was NBC WX Plus back in the day).

The subs in this area are SDTV, although two legacy stations have subchannel FOX affiliations. WABG (Greenwood/Greenville MS) airs FOX on sub "6-2" in 4x3 SD OAR, while sadly KTVE (El Dorado AR/Monroe LA) airs FOX on sub "10-2" in horrid stretchovision.

 

[fortmill]

All of the ABC O&Os air a second subchannel in HD---the "Living Well Network," in addition to a third SD subchannel.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

All of the ABC O&Os air a second subchannel in HD---the "Living Well Network," in addition to a third SD subchannel.

O&Os WTVG/13 Toledo OH and WJRT/12 Flint MI bumped "Living Well" to SD recently...likely because ABC is selling its two smallest O&Os off to SJL.

 

[Ultimajock]

...in Tucson, NBC affiliate KVOA/v4 and Telemundo O&O KHRR/40 both have no subchannels currently; Wikipedia claims RTV is supposed to pop up as 4.2, but I don't know low long that note has been there, and there's nothing about RTV on the KVOA web site. If Universal Sports appears anywhere in Tucson, I'd suspect it would be on 4.x or 40.x. KOLD-TV/13.3 is currently blank; I thought Antenna TV was going to pop up there on New Years' but it didn't. MeTV could fit on KMSB/v11.3; 11.2 is currently ThisTv...

 

[dhett]

Wikipedia claims RTV is supposed to pop up as 4.2, but I don't know low long that note has been there, and there's nothing about RTV on the KVOA web site.

The note was put in last March, but is completely unverifiable. I took it out.