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Which Is The Better Public Radio Station, WBUR or WGBH?

Boston is lucky to have two News-Talk public radio stations: WBUR 90.9 and WGBH-FM 89.7. WGBH switched a few years ago from a mix of News-Talk, Classical and Jazz music, to News-Talk all day with Jazz music seven nights a week. Then last year, it switched again to News-Talk around the clock with Jazz only on weekend nights.

WGBH last year ended two different daytime Talk shows, hosted by Emily Rooney and another woman whose name I forget. It now has a midday magazine show hosted by former WTKK Talk hosts Jim Braude and Marjorie Eagan. The rest of the day, WGBH runs syndicated public radio shows such as Diane Rehm, Tell Me More, The Takeaway, etc. It recently bought Public Radio International and it produces The World with the BBC for weekday distribution to other public radio stations. It is owned by one of the most important PBS stations in the country, WGBH-TV.

Meanwhile WBUR originates several programs that are distributed to other public radio stations, such as On Point and Here and Now which will be replacing Talk of The Nation on the NPR schedule.

They both run Morning Edition and All Things Considered at roughly the same time in morning and afternoon drive. They also both run Public Radio Remix overnight, even though WBUR used to run BBC World News overnight.

While WGBH airs its local magazine, Boston Public Radio from Noon to 2pm, WBUR runs its local program Radio Boston (geez, even the names are similar) from 3 to 4pm.

WGBH has the better signal. In fact, it's the strongest FM signal in Boston, grandfathered at 100,000 watts at apx. 650 feet, while WBUR has a standard Class B signal, 12,000 watts at about 1000 feet, similar to most Boston area commercial FM stations.

In the February ratings, WBUR was #7 while WGBH was #14, with a little more than half of WBUR's numbers. Also among the major public radio stations is Classical WCRB 99.5, also owned by WGBH. Perhaps because the public radio offerings are so strong, Boston is now down to just one full-time commercial Talk station, 680 WRKO, along with All-News by day, Talk by night 1030 WBZ. Boston had five commercial Talk stations only a couple of years ago.

So which is better, WBUR or WGBH?
 
They're each good in their own way.

I do wish one of them would air BBC on the overnights instead of PRX. I thought WBUR aired BBC exclusively on the overnights but on a couple late-night trips home in recent months, I've heard PRX in various slots.
 
I like WGBH a little better than WBUR and yes it is ALL to do with the hip hop music (music, is that what you call it?) WBUR runs between spots. Both of them are coming dangerously close to sounding like they're running commercials from their sponsors also. I also don't like the cutesy "I'm so smart" banter between announcers from both stations. "Let's do the numbers" has really worn thin on GBH also.

John of course was the better Beatle.
 
why choose. on 88.5 you can hear them both at once , thanks to leapfrog mixing-products and overload from GBH's absurd power levels
 
You're forgetting that Boston as a fourth NPR station, in addition to WBUR, WCRB, and WGBH: WUMB 91.9 FM. No news at all, just music.
 
WGBH
Pro: Diane Rehm (at 10AM, not buried at 10PM as on WBUR), America's Test Kitchen Radio, Innovation Hub, Humankind (though - boo - they moved it to 6:30AM), Jazz Decades
Con: Emily Rooney, Callie Crossley, The World

WBUR
Pro: Sharon Brody, Robin Young, Car Talk, Fresh Air, Radio Lab
Con: Tom Ashbrook, Bob 'Uh' Oakes, Ask Me Another, Q, Snap Judgement

Most everything else is either on both stations or is a mixed bag.

And since it's opening day, a pet peeve I have with both stations (though WBUR may not have been doing this last year, WGBH definitely was):
If you want to demonstrate that you're not totally clueless about baseball, tell us both pitchers for the upcoming game, not just the Red Sox' starter, in the sports section of your news reports. There's a reason it's called a pitching matchup - even homers want to know who they're up against.
 
WGBH: Rooney/Crossley aren't on regularly weekdays anymore, and Rehm has been cut back to a one-hour clearance for Takeaway.
 
Whichever one requires none of my tax money to operate.
 
Smoke said:
Whichever one requires none of my tax money to operate.

You go that right.

Having said that, WBUR gets another vote for better station. Their reporting, for one thing, is top shelf. As an aside it's absurd that two powerful public radio stations in the same city compete with each other for the same listeners, which is a result of WGBH's change to a primarily news/talk format a few years ago. How many full power outlets need there be for Morning Edition or All Things Considered, to name two redundancies. WGBH's move to bolster its ratings was a desperate cash grab, most likely to keep their bloated salaries afloat. Fortunately this hasn't damaged WBUR's financial stability. With its' powerful signal, WGBH should have stuck to music.
 
here we go again
 
SixtiesGuy said:
Smoke said:
Whichever one requires none of my tax money to operate.

You go that right.

Having said that, WBUR gets another vote for better station. Their reporting, for one thing, is top shelf. As an aside it's absurd that two powerful public radio stations in the same city compete with each other for the same listeners, which is a result of WGBH's change to a primarily news/talk format a few years ago. How many full power outlets need there be for Morning Edition or All Things Considered, to name two redundancies. WGBH's move to bolster its ratings was a desperate cash grab, most likely to keep their bloated salaries afloat. Fortunately this hasn't damaged WBUR's financial stability. With its' powerful signal, WGBH should have stuck to music.

Maybe if classical music lovers weren't so tight-fisted at pledge time, they could have - would have stuck to music. It also appears underwriters prefer news-talk, also. Like most things in radio, it's about the money.

Public radio stations have been dropping classical music for 20 years or more. The big surprise is it took WGBH so long to do it.

That said, WBUR must have been vulnerable or else they would have beaten back 'GBH's attack on their turf, the way WAMU did with WETA in DC.
 
FredLeonard said:
SixtiesGuy said:
Smoke said:
Whichever one requires none of my tax money to operate.

You go that right.

Having said that, WBUR gets another vote for better station. Their reporting, for one thing, is top shelf. As an aside it's absurd that two powerful public radio stations in the same city compete with each other for the same listeners, which is a result of WGBH's change to a primarily news/talk format a few years ago. How many full power outlets need there be for Morning Edition or All Things Considered, to name two redundancies. WGBH's move to bolster its ratings was a desperate cash grab, most likely to keep their bloated salaries afloat. Fortunately this hasn't damaged WBUR's financial stability. With its' powerful signal, WGBH should have stuck to music.

Maybe if classical music lovers weren't so tight-fisted at pledge time, they could have - would have stuck to music. It also appears underwriters prefer news-talk, also. Like most things in radio, it's about the money.

Public radio stations have been dropping classical music for 20 years or more. The big surprise is it took WGBH so long to do it.

That said, WBUR must have been vulnerable or else they would have beaten back 'GBH's attack on their turf, the way WAMU did with WETA in DC.

While I do recognize the nationwide trend for the format to either go non-commercial or disappear, the market for classical music must have been large enough to prompt the WGBH organization to buy an entire station, WCRB, for many millions of dollars, to make a home for it. The latest information I've seen is that, while there is some synergy from having a single company own and house both stations, WCRB is sustaining itself at least adequately through listener contributions. In fact, they've added more local programming since the purchase took place. I mention all this because it indicates that there was/is a sustainable model which WGBH could have used to stay with a music format. Implementing it might well have meant that the station would have to downsize, but apparently that didn't meet the empire-building vision of its' current leadership. Very ironic and troubling, because the very reason for the creation of non-commercial, public broadcasting was to fill programming needs that commercial broadcasters failed to address. So following the money was exactly not what their mission was intended to be. Having several stations compete for dominance of a particular format is a way of life for commercial broadcasting, but should have no place in the non-commercial world. It should really be about serving the public interest, not creating a corporate-like entity for sustaining the employment of very well paid executives.
 
Gregg began this thread by commenting: said:
Boston is lucky to have two News-Talk public radio stations: WBUR 90.9 and WGBH-FM 89.7. WGBH switched a few years ago from a mix of News-Talk, Classical and Jazz music, to News-Talk all day with Jazz music seven nights a week. Then last year, it switched again to News-Talk around the clock with Jazz only on weekend nights.

I would be very surprised if WGBH-89.7's truncated weekend jazz block is still around a year from now. I expect that sometime over the next twelve months, 'GBH will drop whatever jazz they have left and replace it with public radio news/information programming.

In a way, if the old WFNX-101.76 had to be sold and if the alternative rock format couldn't stay, I wished that 'GBH had bought 101.7 to make it a 24/7 jazz outlet. I think a noncommercial 24/7 jazz station in Boston can get enough listeners to be viable.
 
TRF said:
WGBH
Pro: Diane Rehm (at 10AM, not buried at 10PM as on WBUR), America's Test Kitchen Radio, Innovation Hub, Humankind (though - boo - they moved it to 6:30AM), Jazz Decades
Con: Emily Rooney, Callie Crossley, The World

WBUR
Pro: Sharon Brody, Robin Young, Car Talk, Fresh Air, Radio Lab
Con: Tom Ashbrook, Bob 'Uh' Oakes, Ask Me Another, Q, Snap Judgement

Most everything else is either on both stations or is a mixed bag.

And since it's opening day, a pet peeve I have with both stations (though WBUR may not have been doing this last year, WGBH definitely was):
If you want to demonstrate that you're not totally clueless about baseball, tell us both pitchers for the upcoming game, not just the Red Sox' starter, in the sports section of your news reports. There's a reason it's called a pitching matchup - even homers want to know who they're up against.

Diane Rehm? The voice is in need of retirement. She can barely talk. It's frankly painful to listent to each day
 
Joseph_Gallant said:
In a way, if the old WFNX-101.76 had to be sold and if the alternative rock format couldn't stay, I wished that 'GBH had bought 101.7 to make it a 24/7 jazz outlet. I think a noncommercial 24/7 jazz station in Boston can get enough listeners to be viable.

In fact, the little town of Worcester, MA has a noncommercial 24/7 jazz/standards station, and it's doing well. Check out WICN, 90.5 FM (or its corresponding web stream). And if Worcester can sustain a full-time jazz/standards station, why couldn't the Boston metro area, as chock-full of self-professed sophisticated, urbane residents, as it is, do the same? Another unmet programming need, another argument why having two stations duel over the same format in the same town is a waste of resources. Years ago WGBH had an EXCELLENT standards program, hosted by Ron Della Chiesa, that was quite popular. When the station made the decision to cancel the program there was a major outpouring of support for it, but to no avail. It's pretty shameful that the one form of truly American music has no broadcast home in Boston, not even on noncommercial radio.
 
FredLeonard said:
Public radio stations have been dropping classical music for 20 years or more.

boston has full-time classical audible on 96.3, 99.5, 107.5 and 1/3 time on 95.3. and stil people complain? bet thats more than 99% of cities in america
 
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