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aeris
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http://newsblaze.com/story/20070328082543nnnn.np/newsblaze/NEWSWIRE/NewsBlaze-Wire.html
God, Mike Malloy deserved this...
God, Mike Malloy deserved this...
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You mean "Weiner" (Savage's given name) or "whiner"? 
http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com --
"According to TALKERS Magazine, Savage is being honored, 'For being the first major conservative radio talk show host to criticize President George W. Bush on his policies and encourage hosts of all political ideologies to remain independent of partisan loyalties.'"
Brian Maloney wonders if the award is "really about enticing a major talk star to attend this year's events? You betcha."
(I don't usually listen to Savage but last night he was talking apparently to Mike Harrison of TALKERS, who said that
Savage will give a 45 minute speech
Savage got bounced from MSNBC ("More Silly Nonsense by Chicks" is what Savage calls them) after a prankster,
East Coast Bob, started to make fun of his teeth and drop the name of a different talk host. "Oh you're one of those
sodomites, you should get AIDS and die, you pig.", he replied.
Not really my cup of tea as a host--I prefer Howie Carr (New England) and Laura Ingraham. if I listen to Mikey at all,
it's just for a couple minutes.
Previous winners of the award:
Howard Stern (2006), Al Franken (2005), Rush Limbaugh (2004), Hannity & Colmes (2003), Norm Pattiz (2002), Bill O'Reilly (2001) and Brian Lamb (2000).
Ingraham and Carr have criticized Bush for his immigration policies. I remember Alan Colmes, during his
old afternoon show, saying that if then-Pres. Clinton did something he disagreed with, he'd say so.
"According to TALKERS Magazine, Savage is being honored, 'For being the first major conservative radio talk show host to criticize President George W. Bush on his policies and encourage hosts of all political ideologies to remain independent of partisan loyalties.'"
Brian Maloney wonders if the award is "really about enticing a major talk star to attend this year's events? You betcha."
(I don't usually listen to Savage but last night he was talking apparently to Mike Harrison of TALKERS, who said that
Savage will give a 45 minute speech
Savage got bounced from MSNBC ("More Silly Nonsense by Chicks" is what Savage calls them) after a prankster,
East Coast Bob, started to make fun of his teeth and drop the name of a different talk host. "Oh you're one of those
sodomites, you should get AIDS and die, you pig.", he replied.
Not really my cup of tea as a host--I prefer Howie Carr (New England) and Laura Ingraham. if I listen to Mikey at all,
it's just for a couple minutes.
Previous winners of the award:
Howard Stern (2006), Al Franken (2005), Rush Limbaugh (2004), Hannity & Colmes (2003), Norm Pattiz (2002), Bill O'Reilly (2001) and Brian Lamb (2000).
Ingraham and Carr have criticized Bush for his immigration policies. I remember Alan Colmes, during his
old afternoon show, saying that if then-Pres. Clinton did something he disagreed with, he'd say so.
raccoonradio said:
On this one point, I actually agree with The Obsessed One. This "award" is complete nonsense, evidently given to someone making waves and getting publicity for doing so. I'd hardly call "Michael Savage's" completely invented, custom-tailored radio-for-angry-white-males to be an illustration of "freedom of speech." And he broke with Bush more than two years ago on the immigration issue, so where exactly has Talkers been?
And please spare me the contention that Mr. Savage is somehow serious in his efforts to avoid The Playbook. He uses his everyday, except his extensions of it take him completely off the deep end, such as his recent pronouncement that 9/11 was God's "wakeup call." Jerry Falwell tried that in 2001 and it got him nowhere.
An award for exercising the limits of corporate radio's concept of "freedom of speech" (a matter closely tied to how much ad revenue is being earned) does not make one a champion of freedom of speech. Savage might deserve something for the MSNBC affair, but it was more about the vulgarity and personal attack-nature of his views than the views themselves which got him booted. But if we're giving awards to Stern for freedom to be vulgar, well, Savage can have his too, but let's not wrap it in the "freedom of speech" flag with a straight face.
The other award-winners are hardly distinguished examples of pushing the bar on freedom of speech, with the possible exception of Stern who overcame the restrictions and a vindictive FCC by taking his show to satellite. Al Franken was about the least-controversial, envelope-pushing talk show host on Air America -- he was more of a name than anything else. Rush Limbaugh getting a freedom of speech award is a joke, considering he's hardly had a rough road of getting his views out on 600+ stations. Hannity & colmes doesn't make me want to wave around the Constitution either -- it's Hannity's show and colmes is too stupid to realize he's being used to make the claim that somehow Fox is "fair and balanced." It was the same story on WABC. Norm Pattiz oversaw a Broadcasting Board of Governors which runs our nation's external shortwave radio services including the Voice of America at a time when VOA management began actively deconstructing the VOA and directing the funding into little-heard surrogate radio services that were more about playing music than delivering thoughtful news and talk programming. Britney Spears on Radio Sawa which replaced the VOA Arabic service doesn't inspire me. The only good thing to say about the man is those who were appointed after him to BBG roles were far, far worse. But champion of freedom of speech? Spare me.
Brian Lamb runs a network that features call-ins with hosts that are specifically prohibited from expressing their own viewpoints about anything. Attaboy, freedom of speech for all!
And last, and not least... well, actually yes he is least, that paragon of free speech - Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly being given a freedom of speech award of any kind is the kind of irony best delivered in a late night standup routines or on The Daily Show. Enjoy this example from an "award winner" like Bill O'Reilly: www.phillipdampier.com/oreilly.mp3
And that, my friends, is a better indictment of the value of this "award" than anything. If you want to give a freedom of speech award to media people, the best award candidates would be those who were bounced from the airwaves for expressing an unpopular political sentiment and put in media Siberia because of it. Bill Maher would be a perfect recipient, having been tossed from ABC for questioning the morality of bombing people. Mike Malloy got bounced from Air America because he was perceived as "too extreme" politically. On the right, I am sure there are some militia-radio types out there booted off the air because of a political view they expressed. Of course, none of these people with the possible exception of Maher are particularly huge names that might attract people to a rubber chicken dinner, but of course that rubber chicken is what this "award" is really all about anyway.
These convention rackets are getting out of hand.
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aeris
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Phillip Dampier said:
Sadly, you have just lied, congratulations.
Mike Malloy was fired from Air America Radio, because Sean Insanity paid Air America Radio $10,000,000, with the intent to fire Mike Malloy.
It all started when Sean Insanity paid Air America's Flagship, WLIBeral, to put the Stupid Sisters, for $2,000,000, to:
1. Make sure his friend, Alan Colmes, has no competition.
2. Eliminate Mike Malloy from the New York airwaves.
When Sean Insanity heard that Mike Malloy was coming back to New York to replace Alan Colmes, on Air America's new flagship, WWRL, the above result happened, just two days, before Mike Malloy was to return to the New York.
Sean Insanity used a "proxy" to send the check, to Air America Radio.
Then, when Mike Malloy found a new syndicator, Nova M, Sean Insanity, intentionally released this:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610310008
Sean Insanity was the only right-wing talk show host who mentioned Mike Malloy being fired at Air America Radio (refer to the 10-13-2006 show of Sean Insanity).
The truth was: he was gloating about Mike Malloy being fired at Air America Radio, because Sean Insanity caused it to happen!!!
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evnlee
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aeris said:
wow. sure glad this thread didn't evolve into a 'left vs right p***ing contest' :
we know you libs would never stoop to such.
Mike Malloy was bounced because of Mike Malloy, not because of Hannity.
And, Phil? I dont even know where to start?!
Put on some 'ambient music', pour a nice glass of merlot, and get yer chaps on!
Look at how you constantly demean 'Colmes' and what he has to 'say' , in a thread about 'freedom of speech'. And then you have some nerve to point and gawk!
All of those you mentioned deserved thier award, including Franken and BOR.
It's an award from a magazine for chrissakes, not a Marconi! Who do you want thier award to go to, Alex Jones ( although, a case could be made...)?
If the 'Alternative Sheepherders Weekly' wants to give out thier 'bareback bronco buster' award at thier yearly campfire, so what if they give it to the current president?
You make a point about 'exercising the limits of corporate radio's concept of "freedom of speech", a matter closely tied to how much ad revenue is being earned', I would query this:
How much 'freedom of speech' do you think exists in NPR? Or other 'publicly funded outlets' ( radio free Cuba)?
If anything, the Talkers awards exposes the biases and obsessions of those that point at others and yell 'Bias!!!' , 'Obsessive!!"
If anything, these awards show the hosts 'stemming the rose' rather then 'watching the herd' ( meaning not criticizing the current administration).
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aeris
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Re: Whinner gets TALKERS Magazine’s Freedom of Speech Award
Did you even bother to read my case???
What I've said are FACTS, not fiction, evnlee.
What is TRUE:
Mike Malloy got bumped off of WLIBeral, because of the ABC (Sean Insanity paid Air America off, perhaps???) Syndicated, Stupid Sisters.
The question is, why not put the Stupid Sisters, on the most fascist station in the USA, which they also censor their online stream, WABC???
Mike Malloy was fired two days before Mike Malloy's return to New York (Sean Insanity, perhaps, trying to protect his friend, Alan Colmes???)
Sean Insanity was the only right-wing talk show host, who mention Mike Malloy's firing (Why??? To gloat about Mike Malloy's firing, because Sean Insanity caused it to happen??? Sean Insanity mentioned Mike Malloy's firing on 10-13-2006.)
ABC Radio Networks released an anti Air America advertiser list, after Mike Malloy was hired at Nova M Radio (Sean Insanity, perhaps???)
There evnlee, whatever is NOT in parentheses, are true.
evnlee said:
Did you even bother to read my case???
What I've said are FACTS, not fiction, evnlee.
What is TRUE:
Mike Malloy got bumped off of WLIBeral, because of the ABC (Sean Insanity paid Air America off, perhaps???) Syndicated, Stupid Sisters.
The question is, why not put the Stupid Sisters, on the most fascist station in the USA, which they also censor their online stream, WABC???
Mike Malloy was fired two days before Mike Malloy's return to New York (Sean Insanity, perhaps, trying to protect his friend, Alan Colmes???)
Sean Insanity was the only right-wing talk show host, who mention Mike Malloy's firing (Why??? To gloat about Mike Malloy's firing, because Sean Insanity caused it to happen??? Sean Insanity mentioned Mike Malloy's firing on 10-13-2006.)
ABC Radio Networks released an anti Air America advertiser list, after Mike Malloy was hired at Nova M Radio (Sean Insanity, perhaps???)
There evnlee, whatever is NOT in parentheses, are true.
aeris said:
This is the most bizarre message I have read on here in at least two years. Sean Hannity does not care about Mike Malloy. Sean Hannity and the rest of the folks at Fox News are as obsessed with Air America as Baloney and his blog is, so anything potentially negative about AAR will get reported by them.
ABC Radio does not equal Sean Hannity. ABC Radio is trying to get into the "women's talk" business and they bought their way on with a launch bonus. I personally don't see the format as being particularly viable, but I'm a man.
evnlee said:
With some cogent arguments I hope.
At no point do I say colmes should not be permitted to have his say. I'm not about to restrict his speech or anyone elses, but I'm certainly not going to hand the man an award for achievements in the arena of "freedom of speech." Please. This stuff reminds me of those way-too-involved parents who coddle their kids and give them gold stars and hearty congratulations just for taking the trash out.
But let's get REAL about what this is - a throwaway award to attract names to a convention banquet. This award, along with five dollars in your pocket amounts to $5.00 in your pocket.
That would be good, considering Dubya doesn't even ride.
There is plenty of free speech at NPR and local public radio stations where I hear a diversity of viewpoints. That they present those viewpoints alone also doesn't qualify them to pick up a Talkers magazine Freedom of Speech award either. I think you are arguing just for the sake of arguing, because these points you are raising go way beyond the argument I'm making - what is so special about a Freedom of Speech award given to anybody for anything?
There is no "Radio Free Cuba." If you are referring to Radio Marti, that station has become the playing ground of the Cuban American Foundation in Miami. It was a boondoggle when it started in 1985 and it's still a boondoggle to this day, provided more for the benefit of activist anti-Castro folks in Miami than for actual Cuban listeners. TV Marti is worse.
If anything, the Talkers awards exposes the biases and obsessions of those that point at others and yell 'Bias!!!' , 'Obsessive!!"
If anything, these awards show the hosts 'stemming the rose' rather then 'watching the herd' ( meaning not criticizing the current administration).
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. So much for being cogent.
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Phillip Dampier said:
wow. talk about being 'cogent'.....
NPR must be airing 'anti global warming ' show's there in Jackson Hole, right?
Please.!
Corporate entities aren't going to bite the hand anymore then public ones, that's why you wont hear certain topics on certain stations...
So, I dont care if they hand out worthless awards, I just find it ironic that you try to 'minimize' Colmes speech/opinions, which is tanamount to supression.
You clearly have a big problem with Alan Colmes.
cant quite find a way to quit him, huh?
Phillip Dampier said:
...on the one hand, Hannity and Malloy were simultaneously at WSB Atlanta, in the early '90s and they made no bones about their dislike of each other, both then and in the years since. And it is true that Hannity's show was added to the schedule of WLS Chicago not very long after Malloy was canned (for entirely political purposes). So the two have a fairly active mutual backstory. As far as the idea of Hannity being behind Malloy's ousters from WLIB and AAR, it would be plausible but I don't believe it's probable, if for no other reason than Hannity certainly has the bank account to do it but I have not yet heard Malloy issue the charge, which I'm sure he'd be more than happy to do, frequently and loudly, if he himself suspected it...
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There is plenty of free speech at NPR and local public radio stations where I hear a diversity of viewpoints.
Then you must live near an NPR affiliate with a significant amount of locally produced content, because you sure aren't hearing "a diversity of viewpoints" on any NPR shows, unless you count Click and Clack, the Tappett Brothers as conservatives.
Then you must live near an NPR affiliate with a significant amount of locally produced content, because you sure aren't hearing "a diversity of viewpoints" on any NPR shows, unless you count Click and Clack, the Tappett Brothers as conservatives.
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Ultimajock said:
see, this is why you cannot be believed.
you spout things like this that are just factually untrue, but sound good.
Hannity was never on WSB, he was on WGST.
Malloy was on WSB in the early 90's, while Hannity came to WGST around the same time, they did not compete in dayparts. Malloy was evenings, Hannity did am vs Boortz ( at WSB, or 'we stole Boortz'). Malloy's demise was brought about by Limbaugh, when WSB moved him to Rush' slot, he bombed.
You dont have a clue as to how 'they' felt about each other back then. Hannity was more concerned with Boortz then Malloy.
It's been all downhill for Malloy since then.
Hannity didnt care about him back then, and I truly doubt that he would spend a dime of his $$ to 'silence' him now. That's just more ridiculous 'board op speculation' with no facts to back it up
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Good. Well then, aeris, if they are FACTS, then you can give us a credible source--or cancelled checks would be better--that Hannity paid $10 million dollars.
So, citation please to a credible source that backs up your statement.
Who is the "proxy" you mention?
And please explain what the substance of that ABC Radio Networks memo means. I know what it means, Phil knows what it means, people in the radio industry know what it means.
But, let's see if YOU understand what it means.
Unless, of course, your post was all a big joke (which I think it was).
evnlee said:
...looks like Poor Old Ev wants yet another thread moved to Take It Outside. I ain't taking the bait but am taking an opportunity to show how factually challenged you are:
a) Your only point of truth is that Hannity was indeed on WGST. That was my mistake. However, to claim that Hannity "was never on WSB" is a laugh -- he's been on WSB for the last several years!
b) Hannity has *never* done a morning show in Atlanta.
c) I know very well how Hannity and Malloy felt about each other because Malloy has commented on it to me in ***personal conversations*** as well as on the air.
d) I'd love to see your explanation as to how jobs at WLS, AAR and Nova M -- currently including affiliates in Phoenix, San Francisco, Seattle, Miami and San Diego -- is somehow "downhill" after leaving WSB.
...well...we're waiting...
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evnlee
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Ultimajock said:
A: Hannity was never on WSB WHEN MALLOY WAS THERE ( simultaneously). He's on there now, but there was a 4 year period when he wasnt even on the air in this market. Wrong.
B:Hannity used to do 8:30 am to noon vs Boortz. That's a.m., not 'a.m. drive'. If he did 10 am it would be called 'middays'. Wrong again.
C:Good for you. This must be like all the 'inside info' on Harder that you cannot seem to verify. Here's the kicker. I used to do some production work for WGST at this time, and after that I went to work for Hannity's producer ( Mike Rose, who has Sean as his best man at his wedding ). I've heard all the war stories, too. Trust me, he didnt care about Malloser. He was brought in to do one thing: compete with Boortz.
D: Hannity left Alabama for Atlanta. The he left Atlanta for NYC AND a TV gig. He was not FIRED from WGST. Malloy was FIRED from WSB ( the big stick in the #10 market ), then he was FIRED from WLS, then he was FIRED from Err America.
Now, Malloy is on fire, right? Why, he must own all the major markets on Nova M , huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mike_Malloy_Show#Affiliates
Of course, it's been 'all downhill' for Hannity since he left for NYC:
Hannity is the second highest rated talk program, second only to The Rush Limbaugh Show, and is carried on over 500 stations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sean_Hannity_Show#Syndication
Walk it off, Ulticrock
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aeris
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Well, enough discussion, for now, about Mike Malloy, let's turn back to te topic at hand:
What happens when a "Whinner Supporter" gets this news, and posts this on a "Left-Wing" site???
http://unfilterednewsnetwork.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=15791
Former Mike Malloy forum poster BinaBecker responds to this award:
http://unfilterednewsnetwork.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=15822
Read Bina's responses carefully, it's EIFP (Excellence in Forum Posting)...
What happens when a "Whinner Supporter" gets this news, and posts this on a "Left-Wing" site???
http://unfilterednewsnetwork.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=15791
Former Mike Malloy forum poster BinaBecker responds to this award:
http://unfilterednewsnetwork.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=15822
Read Bina's responses carefully, it's EIFP (Excellence in Forum Posting)...
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evnlee
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aeris said:
hmmm. silence again from the Ulticrock :
getting kinda easy to dismantle his 'theories'!
As for Bina.....She seems to have a fondness for Chavez....
I wonder how much she would worship Hugo if she LIVED down there?
I'm pretty sure they dont cotton too well with feminists...
She posts a picture of Chavez with the caption ' this is what Democracy looks like'.
She got that right. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing the menu!
Hey, plenty of room down there, right? Dont like our system? No one's keeping you here!
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evnlee
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aeris said:
I would remind some that this is exactly the debate we had about 'Spocko' and his posting of audioclips.
At the time, I stated the the case law is not finite, and that the EFF and others were fighting to set a precedent.
Some 'legal geniuses' back then told me that they (ABC) would drop this suit, and we would never see another one because it was so ridiculous.
Feel better now? I do.
Like I said, targeting advertisers with copywritten audio repro's is not 'fair game'. It is still being determined.
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