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why are canadian tv weather reports shorter than in u.s.?

This is something that's always mystified me. When watching local Canadian TV news, mostly Toronto -- then when the weather comes on, it's often over within about 2 mins. In contrast, most U.S. reports (on local affiliates -- Buffalo for instance) last double that. With some of the new technology they have, they'll spend a minute or so on the computer graphics showing the cloud/rain forecast for the next 48 hrs etc. Then with all the local/regional temperature plots, plus the satellite maps, doppler radar, etc... it often gets pretty involved.

Do Canadians feel that weather is something less important than Americans? Perhaps some people will say..."just tell me if it'll be sunny or rainy tomorrow" and not give a hoot about HOW or WHY.

As a kid, I remember Percy Saltzman on CBLT... and all that chalk! :D
 
Not having watched Canadian weather reporting in a very long time the only thing coming to my mind is the "weather personality" that permeates American TV.

The "weather guy/gal" is usually some sort of off-beat talking head that is expected to be entertaining while delivering the droll wx report. We had a guy in Phoenix who used an umbrella to point out the various temps on the map (inside joke as it hardly ever rains in Phoenix). He also had little humoruskities like "Dewey point" (dew point) - since his first name was Dewey. Cute, eh? Then down in Tucson (where they actually do get some weather but not much) the local wx guy used a motly collection of water pipes for a pointer. Hilarious, right?

And while I was typing the above something else came to mind.

Our local TV news is usually so inane in most markets that "filler" is needed to complete the news show. Sometimes they just cannot sell enough car spots and, despite parroting stories from the national news, can't fill the empty minutes with customary air-head banter. Intro the news guy who proceeds to read highs and lows from the NOAA maps until said time is filled.

Just my two cents (US). YMMV.
 
landtuna said:
Celsius must be faster than Fahrenheit. ;D

Curiously, some Canadian stations use both Celsius and Fahrenheit, with Celsius being more predominantly-seen, of course, I know CFTO in Toronto and CFCF Montreal does this.
 
azumanga said:
Curiously, some Canadian stations use both Celsius and Fahrenheit, with Celsius being more predominantly-seen, of course, I know CFTO in Toronto and CFCF Montreal does this.

Must be so their American viewers south of the border can understand.
 

I do not have access to CFTO, but if you do, I'd re-check that. Anytime that I HAVE seen them in recent years, I have no recollection of them giving Fahrenheit in their forecasts. The only time they might, is possibly at first when giving current conditions on screen. Nobody in Buffalo would have the need to watch their forecast...unless they were heading that way within 24 hrs.

Can't tell you anything about CFCF.
landtuna said:
azumanga said:
Curiously, some Canadian stations use both Celsius and Fahrenheit, with Celsius being more predominantly-seen, of course, I know CFTO in Toronto and CFCF Montreal does this.

Must be so their American viewers south of the border can understand.
landtuna said:
azumanga said:
Curiously, some Canadian stations use both Celsius and Fahrenheit, with Celsius being more predominantly-seen, of course, I know CFTO in Toronto and CFCF Montreal does this.

Must be so their American viewers south of the border can understand.
 
City TV (Toronto) has pretty good coverage. There's highlights, then the full forcast then highights again at the end of the newscast, so I don't think they're ignoring much.

(Except week-ends! :'( )
 
RBW said:
I do not have access to CFTO, but if you do, I'd re-check that. Anytime that I HAVE seen them in recent years, I have no recollection of them giving Fahrenheit in their forecasts. The only time they might, is possibly at first when giving current conditions on screen. Nobody in Buffalo would have the need to watch their forecast...unless they were heading that way within 24 hrs.

CFTO did in fact have Fahrenheit readings on its extended forecast and current conditions screens (presented in that order) as recently as 2009. (Check out these screenshots from 2003.) Fahrenheit was finally done away with last year, a few months after Dave Devall retired and Tom Brown took over. You're right, though, that the maps hadn't had Fahrenheit readings on them for at least quite a few years now.

Citytv Toronto does have one of the most detailed weather segments I can remember seeing on a Canadian station. Sometimes I find them a bit too carried away with the bells and whistles on their weather graphics... Michael Kuss and Adam Stiles sometimes even do "tag-team" weather, something I haven't really seen elsewhere on Canadian TV. In a way City's weather segments remind me the most of the ones I've seen on American stations.

landtuna said:
azumanga said:
Curiously, some Canadian stations use both Celsius and Fahrenheit, with Celsius being more predominantly-seen, of course, I know CFTO in Toronto and CFCF Montreal does this.

Must be so their American viewers south of the border can understand.

I interpret the continued inclusion of Fahrenheit on Canadian stations (well, the few left that still do so) as a holdover from the pre-metric days, for the benefit of the few Canadian viewers out there that still think in Fahrenheit, and/or as a personal preference of the station's weather presenter or producer (especially if they've been around for a while and can do as they please). Old habits die hard, as they say. (Even though the metric switch was, what, 30 years ago?) When Dave Devall's retirement was announced, I remember thinking that CFTO would probably finally drop Fahrenheit, and sure enough they did so after Tom Brown took over.

Not that many Americans watch Canadian local news, so I don't imagine this practice was intended for their benefit.

landtuna said:
Not having watched Canadian weather reporting in a very long time the only thing coming to my mind is the "weather personality" that permeates American TV.

That's basically the mode of operation at Global and CTV's Vancouver O&Os. Neither stations' chief weather presenters are meteorologist AFAIK. Before doing weather, Wayne Cox on Global BC (CHAN-TV) did radio shows and game shows (Acting Crazy anyone?), while Tamara Taggart on CTV BC (CIVT) was the feature reporter on the station's morning show (think City Toronto's Jennifer Valentyne or KTLA's Gayle Anderson), and they're essentially in their positions more for their personality than for any actual weather credentials. Not meant as a knock against them, but just sayin'. Citytv Vancouver (CKVU) was basically doing the same thing back when they still had evening newscasts.

Global BC does have 2 meteorologists, Mark Madryga and Kristi Gordon (Madryga's even billed as "senior meteorologist" on the station's website), but they do the weekday morning and weekend shows respectively. CBC Vancouver (CBUT) has Clare Martin, also a met.

While Citytv Toronto has 2 mets (the aforementioned Kuss and Stiles), the morning weather is done by Frank Ferragine, probably better known as Frankie Flowers the gardening dude.

This may partly explain the brevity of Canadian weather segments compared to the ones in the States. While a competent TV presenter with average or higher intelligence can probably master the basics of meteorology/weather forecasting after a few years and know how to interpret and present the data from Environment Canada, you still can't count on them to do higher-level analysis. They can get away with doing 1min30-2min worth of current conditions, sat/rad, tomorrow's highs and the 7-day, but much more beyond that will only expose their weakness.
 
Derek said:
Before doing weather, Wayne Cox on Global BC (CHAN-TV) did radio shows and game shows (Acting Crazy anyone?)

He was also the host of "Talk About", a game show that was also syndicated to American TV stations in the late-1980s.
 
landtuna said:
Not having watched Canadian weather reporting in a very long time the only thing coming to my mind is the "weather personality" that permeates American TV.

The "weather guy/gal" is usually some sort of off-beat talking head that is expected to be entertaining while delivering the droll wx report.

Your comments just reminded me of Al Kaprielian. When I lived in New England (over a decade ago) he was the weather-guy on ch. 50 Derry, NH. Against viewer protest, he just left that position last December. When I last saw him, he was short, heavy-set, w/short dark hair & glasses. He had a whiney-squeaky voice, and a "clownish" personality. It was almost like watching a 10 yr old give the weather. His enthusiasm was way over-the-top. I'm sure there are probably vids of him on YouTube. I thought he was just plain goofy... but I guess that was his charm, since more people idolized him than any other local personality. I doubt he was a "meteorologist" by title, but far more an entertainer than anything else.
 
RBW said:
Your comments just reminded me of Al Kaprielian. When I lived in New England (over a decade ago) he was the weather-guy on ch. 50 Derry, NH. Against viewer protest, he just left that position last December.

Actually, I read that he was actually fired by station management.
 
Yes, I didn't say HOW he left, but I believe that to be true since they changed ownership, calls, etc, some time ago.
 
In Florida during the summer its going to be mosty sunny, with a high between 90 and 99, then at 3 pm the heavens open up and we get drenched. At night it cools off to 80. Rinse, repeat....


That's your weather. Sports is next.
 
Studio20 said:
In Florida during the summer its going to be mosty sunny, with a high between 90 and 99, then at 3 pm the heavens open up and we get drenched. At night it cools off to 80. Rinse, repeat....


That's your weather. Sports is next.

Of course during hurricane season, the weather tends to get a little longer, especially if a storm gets close to the southeastern US.
 
London's CFPL usually had pretty detailed weather forecasts. Jay Campbell was on the evening news from 1981-2009 (and still appears occasionally as a fill-in), and he's a meterologist. Not a mail-in diploma meterologist, but a real one, having worked for Environment Canada before going into television.

This forecast from 1996 clocks in at over 4 and a half minutes, although a weather-related contest adds to the length. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzK3H7OBt1A

Overall I still find, especially in cases of severe weather, the Detroit stations have much lengthier and detailed - and often more complete - weather reports than any local Canadian station I've seen. During one such storm on a weekend in June 2008, I recall both WDIV and WJBK spent the first ten minutes on it, while CFPL/CHWI had its usual weather report. On WDIV, I've seen Chuck Gaidica go into the detail of Environment Canada weather warnings affecting parts of Southwestern Ontario.
 
CBC New Brunswick seemed to be similar in length to most US TV stations. I did catch a webcast of CBC Northbeat, a newscast tailored to the Northwest Territories, the Yukon and Nunavut. The newscast was very well done, but the weather wasn't even a minute with no meteorologist in an area known for weather extremes. I guess it would be hard to get into deep detail in what's basically a national newscast for half the nation's land mass.
 
RBW said:
Do Canadians feel that weather is something less important than Americans? Perhaps some people will say..."just tell me if it'll be sunny or rainy tomorrow" and not give a hoot about HOW or WHY.


;D
 
GlennO said:
I did catch a webcast of CBC Northbeat, a newscast tailored to the Northwest Territories, the Yukon and Nunavut. The newscast was very well done, but the weather wasn't even a minute with no meteorologist in an area known for weather extremes.

Don't know if they still do, but back in the late-1990s, CBC North would run its weather forecast between programs during some station breaks (in lieu of local ads), and they generally lasted at least a couple minutes in length.
 
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