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Why Do News and Sports Formats Do So Poorly in LA Ratings?

--->Since the Buenos Aires station had, maybe, the highest news talk share in the Hemisphere, and cumed around 3 million, I think it is very impressive.

Wow, if I had my children executed by death squads, was forced to listen to Eva Peron sing for 20 years, and was burning my furniture to stay warm, I'd listen to your radio station, too.

(In fact, that's probably the only reason I'd listen to your station.)

El pluperfecto, you are quite literally comparing apples to naranjas.

---->To clarify, I was doing 21 to 23 semester credits at ASU. Since it was where I could study, it was my only choice. And since I did not want a diploma as much as a bacground in the true areas of radio, like psychology, sociology, statistics, math, electronics, buisness, accounting, law, I took a lot of courses that did not qualify me for a degree. At the same time, I was programming KWKW via weekly visits, and helping with the CHRs and KONE. It was a nice way to get through school.

Oh, be still my beating heart. Would you please post your transcipt and book list so as to give us a glimpse at the breadth and scope of your training?

And it sounds like you didn't bother to get a degree. Correct me if I'm wrong (bwah hah hah - like that's a worry).

And ASU grad school? What do you need to get in back then? A checkbook and a pulse. I went to the U of A and ASU's grad schools were a national joke back then. In the words of Bart Simpson, "we're not exactly talking San Diego State here."

---->One does not have to be an "NPR" expert to know that a one share is nothing special when the NPR station in San Francisco is #2 in the market. They do a vastly better job there than they do in LA, and it shows in actually having real and significant numbers, not the below-25th shoing of KCRW and the ground clutter range of KPCC.

I agree completely.

----->Any loss at KNX over th elast decade has been due to AM attrition, not the two FMs you mention.

Let's see, AM shrinks, FM grows. AM news shrinks, FM news grows. But the two are not correlated. Caca, puro caca.

------>In fact, the growth of KPCC and KCRW have very little correlation with whatever is happening to KNX. AM has been losing almost all the 35-44s and there is severe 45-54 erosion. Since the two formats (KNX vs. the FM more depth, talky format) are different, they are also used differently. Just look at the in car for KNX, while the FMs do not et anything like that... the rpgramming is too long form.

Thta is my point precisely, it is so obvious even you get it. But the loss on AM equals growth on FM, even at two pisspoor stations like KCRWPCC.

----->Many of us in big markets do extensive community efforts. Come over and look at the walls of the PD of Recuerdo in LA,

Excellent idea. It would be very interesting to see how many of those certificates are in english. Last I checked, english-language stations have to demonstrate meeting a public interest commitment to the entire community (including other languages). When is the last time recuerdo did something for minorities (i.e. what you so insultingly and cavalierly disparage as gringos)?

I can't recuerdo either. But of course, the signal is so poor, I can't pick it up in my house, car, walkman or computer.
 
Re: Let's not forget

DavidEduardo said:
Which of the four format changes in four years at KRUX was your ASU business school project?

----->>>> I really don 't know, despite years of hearing it, what "corporate radio" is.

Yeah, that explains a WHOLE lot. But I never said WPPC, KPCC and KCRW are major players. But they certainly account for loss of audience at KNXFWB over the decades. They split the pie of informed, educated, smart listeners. You know, the people you corporate types drove away from radio!

You missed these, El Pluperfecto.

Meanwhile, during this pitching change, let's all enjoy Nancy Bea Hefley at the Dodger Stadium organ playing that stirring national anthem, "Marcha de la Patria (which translates as "Don't Sing For Me Argentina"):

http://david.national-anthems.net/ar.htm

(Hey, D-E, is that your old homepage? What were the chances of me finding that on Google?)
 
Re: Let's not forget

zumahans said:
Meanwhile, during this pitching change, let's all enjoy Nancy Bea Hefley at the Dodger Stadium organ playing that stirring national anthem, "Marcha de la Patria (which translates as "Don't Sing For Me Argentina"):

Ha ha ha except, Hans, using baseball terms is foreign to someone who has admitted he can't even name players and/or cities which have MLB teams. Maybe a soccer (futbol) analogy? Keep it up, you are cracking me up!!! "Be still my beating heart" LOL!!!! Thanks from botom of my boogity boogity shoo!!! :D :D :D
 
Re: Let's not forget

SuperRadioFan said:
Ha ha ha except, Hans, using baseball terms is foreign to someone who has admitted he can't even name players and/or cities which have MLB teams. Maybe a soccer (futbol) analogy? Keep it up, you are cracking me up!!! "Be still my beating heart" LOL!!!! Thanks from botom of my boogity boogity shoo!!! :D :D :D

You mean something that might be heard in Argentina, like:

"While the national police clear the rioters from the stadium, and the groundskeepers look for more bodies of students who were executed and buried here, let's all" etc etc etc.
 
Re: Let's not forget

zumahans said:
You mean something that might be heard in Argentina, like:

"While the national police clear the rioters from the stadium, and the groundskeepers look for more bodies of students who were executed and buried here, let's all" etc etc etc.

Argentina has been an elected democracy since the early 80's (just after we had disposed of Nixon and our nasty little war), and what you would hear on the radio there is no different than what you would hear on the radio here or in england or Italy. Ads for beer, for the new Mecedes Benz, and such. Call in shows, newscasts, sports. No differentl, excep for langauge from any US news based station, except that there would be a 24 hour news staff, more reporters and writers, etc.
 
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And did they also change formats 4 times in 4 years like KRUX did under your captainship, oh mighty pilot of failing AM radio stations?
 
Re: Let's not forget

zumahans said:
And did they also change formats 4 times in 4 years like KRUX did under your captainship, oh mighty pilot of failing AM radio stations?

KRUX did one change while I was there... it moved from CHR to what was really Hot AC (although not called that yet) under consultant John Lund of WGAR in Cleveland. Considering the signal, the battle between KRIZ and KUPD, and the switch-on of KUPD-FM, this all made good sense.
 
Right, and I suppose the switch to allnews and back happened before or after you were enrolled in the ASU Continuation College.

KRUX under your leadership was as consistant as whatever is playing over on 1260.

One thing consistent about those Lotus AMs, though, on your watch.

Didn't every single one of them tank in the ratings (and yes I know they were still profitable - how could they not be paying the DJs $1.65 an hour)?
 
Right, and I suppose the switch to allnews and back happened before or after you were enrolled in the ASU Continuation College.

---->>>> I left AZ in March or 1975 to manage a group of stations in Puerto Rico. I have no idea when they went all news.

KRUX under your leadership was as consistant as whatever is playing over on 1260.

---->>>> I was there for under 2 years only.... after I had already been with Lotus' KWKW for two years.

One thing consistent about those Lotus AMs, though, on your watch.

Didn't every single one of them tank in the ratings (and yes I know they were still profitable - how could they not be paying the DJs $1.65 an hour)?

------ No. KTKT under Mark Schwartz moved up, and so did KENO. Phx was already losing when I got there. We are talking 73 to 74.
 
Re: Let's not forget

SuperRadioFan said:
zumahans said:
Meanwhile, during this pitching change, let's all enjoy Nancy Bea Hefley at the Dodger Stadium organ playing that stirring national anthem, "Marcha de la Patria (which translates as "Don't Sing For Me Argentina"):

Ha ha ha except, Hans, using baseball terms is foreign to someone who has admitted he can't even name players and/or cities which have MLB teams. Maybe a soccer (futbol) analogy? Keep it up, you are cracking me up!!!

You still laughing? Has the fat lady sung yet? How many days ago? I think we may jump the shark any post now.
 
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