Why Do News and Sports Formats Do So Poorly in LA Ratings?

[zumahans]

Re: Let's not forget

that KNX has been dumbed down to about a fourth grade level, so that's certainly not going to help the numbers. The "morning team" is embarassingly bad, so is the "afternoon team." Larry Van Nuys seems to have a cot set up in the hall, he does almost every other shift. And while he may be a really cool guy and fun to be with, he is totally wrong for a serious news station. Starting with his goofy AM Top 40 jock voice and his desire to make everything "fun" and do happy talk with the traffic folks and Melinda Lee, which works fine in the proper setting but NOT at an all-news station.

Further proof? Bob McCormick's show may be titled Money 101 but it's really just talk, about anything he can think of. This morning's non-money-related topic (I kid you not) - what it's like for a guy to grow up with a girl's name (Kelly, Carol, etc.). I so wanted to call and once I got on the air just start dumping on the guy.

My wife had been out of town for several months on business, and on her return she had KNX on while doing her morning bathroom routine. She came out shaking her head after a coupla minutes and said What the hell have they done to KNX?

You insult fourth graders. KNX is unlistenable. Listening to KCBS-AM at night makes me remember what a relevant all-news station can sound like. It is amazing that the KFI-ification of CBS news radio somehow failed to take place north of the Tehachapis.

The worst part about listening to 740 is hearing the same stupid "LA voice" doing the David G. Hall-mandated imaging. Creepy to hear that LA shallowness sugarcoating the respectable and indepth coverage of real news on what KNX used to sound like.

It still amazes me that some "experts" in the radio industry say there is no benefit of KNXFWB's slide into irrelevence to public radio listenership. These "experts" consult their chicken bones and tea leaves and say NPR listenership is flat, and that their is no crosslistening between KNX and KCRW/KPCC P-1s.

The people on the Phoenix board seem to think KTAR and KJZZ have a huge cross-listenership.

KNX and KFWB's diminished listenership over the long term directly matches the growth of NPR stations. Of course, the large ethnic and non-english speaking percentage in El Pueblo de Nuestra la Reina de Los Angeles de Pornicula (got to say that twice) means that the audience percentage listening to commercial and noncommerical news prograsmming is very small.

And that makes the statistical sample being used to analyze KNX-NPR crossover very small, and probably scientifically questionable. Of course, we mere mortals will never know, because the surveys are proprietary and the gods from the spanish radio companies ask us to trust them that they know how the gods feel.

NPR was nowhere 20 years ago, and it insults anyone's intelligence to assume that the KNX listener of 20 years ago is not spending time between 88 and 91 these days.

College-educated, white listeners have no place local to go other than NPR, now that KNX is the radio equivalent of bad TV news in the 1990s (I mean: putting your anchor at Camp Pendleton to anchor PM drive - what's that playbook from - channel 2 Action News in the 1980s? Back when they were #8 in a 7-station market. Hey, DGH, I got an idea: find Bree Walker and Jim Lampley and have them fight on the air!)

KFWB is now attention-deficit radio, with the top story repeated THREE times in each 20 minute slice, meaning the same facts are trotted out with breathtaking shallowness NINE times an hour. Their slogan should be "just give us 22 seconds and you'll already hear us repeat ourselves."

 

[SuperRadioFan]

Re: Let's not forget

Of course, we mere mortals will never know, because the surveys are proprietary and the gods from the Spanish radio companies ask us to trust them that they know how the gods feel.

Hans, just who in the Wide World of Radio are you talking about here ??? Anyone we know?? ;D ;D ;D

KNX is horrible horrible horrible. And KFWB is just horrible horrible.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Let's not forget

It still amazes me that some "experts" in the radio industry say there is no benefit of KNXFWB's slide into irrelevence to public radio listenership. These "experts" consult their chicken bones and tea leaves and say NPR listenership is flat, and that their is no crosslistening between KNX and KCRW/KPCC P-1s.

The people on the Phoenix board seem to think KTAR and KJZZ have a huge cross-listenership.

KNX and KFWB's diminished listenership over the long term directly matches the growth of NPR stations. Of course, the large ethnic and non-english speaking percentage in El Pueblo de Nuestra la Reina de Los Angeles de Pornicula (got to say that twice) means that the audience percentage listening to commercial and noncommerical news prograsmming is very small.

And that makes the statistical sample being used to analyze KNX-NPR crossover very small, and probably scientifically questionable. Of course, we mere mortals will never know, because the surveys are proprietary and the gods from the spanish radio companies ask us to trust them that they know how the gods feel.

NPR was nowhere 20 years ago, and it insults anyone's intelligence to assume that the KNX listener of 20 years ago is not spending time between 88 and 91 these days.

KNX beats both KCRW and KPPC. I would argue that the formats are not the same, either. But the fact is that they are not the same thing, and KNX does better in ratings. Since 1998, KCRW has only added a half share point and WPPC about 0.6 share points. Neither has grown in any way that woud be considered amazing. KNX is off, mostly due to the ethnicity of LA, not the competiton from the public stations.

1 in 5 KJZZ listeners cumes KTAR. That is pretty significant.

The name of LA is "Pueblo de Nuestra Señora Reina de los Ángeles" and not the barbarity you posted. It was named "Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula" to describe the original village, but the name today is not that.

With nearly 8000 diaries, looking at stations with cuems of 700 thousand (KNX) or just over 400 thousand (KCRW and KPCC) is statistically pretty reliable. Arbitron is not "proprietary" but only available for usage or inspection by subscribers. Since Arbitron is good enough for those who spend $22 billion a year in ad money, it ought to be considered adequate for the task, given the amount of money available for audience research.

The fact is that what has changed is that the market is now 70% or more ethnic or immigrant. And AM radio is becoming less able to reach those under 55, the sales demos. Since KCRW and KPCC are FM, they have an advantage of being FM, not of being "better" from an elitist point of view.

 

[zumahans]

Thank you, oh thank you for being you.

Thus spake Zarathustra.

Another barbarity, which I got off the City of LA's website, by the way.

And the Gods said, let there be ratings. And it was good.

And the keeper of the ratings said, Nay, I shall be the denier of knowledge. All those who seek to know the Light of the true and real listenership will have to bow at my mighty computer, and await my pronouncement of the chosen and mighty cume.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Thank you, oh thank you for being you.

Thus spake Zarathustra.

Another barbarity, which I got off the City of LA's website, by the way.

You also said, "percentage in El Pueblo de Nuestra la Reina de Los Angeles de Pornicula (got to say that twice) "

You could not even spell "Porciuncula" so who will ever believe you now... maybe in Bishop, I guess.

 

[zumahans]

Re: Thank you, oh thank you for being you.

Thus spake Zarathustra.

Another barbarity, which I got off the City of LA's website, by the way.

You also said, "percentage in El Pueblo de Nuestra la Reina de Los Angeles de Pornicula (got to say that twice) "

You could not even spell "Porciuncula" so who will ever believe you now... maybe in Bishop, I guess.

Yeahm you're right, as always. Who would ever believe anyone who can't even spell "Porciuncula" correctly?

Isn't Porciuncula the name of the whore in Act IV of Hamlet?

Man, oh man, I must be a real idiot since I can't spell the name of some Sixth Century Saint[EDIT]

Maybe I should play the dyslexia card, like you always pull, David Eduardo de Porcupine Flats?

[EDIT=inappropriate language.]

 

[zumahans]

Re: Let's not forget

What an asinine comment:

Since KCRW and KPCC are FM, they have an advantage of being FM, not of being "better" from an elitist point of view.

What a stupid, ignorant thing to say, but typical of this fool.

NPR is better than CBS LA newsradio because of the CONTENT, idiot, not the modulation. And that is true from a qualitative point of view. Little bitty KCLU earns more press awards than the CBS stations and KFI combined.

And its a KNXFWB phenomena, not a CBS issue. CBS runs some great all-news stations, that sound every bit as smart, sophisticated and informed as an NPR affiliate" KCBS-AM is just one.

Calling that conclusion elitist reveals you, El Porcupino, to have no idea what you are talking about when you cross out of your format.

Stick to analyzing rap music, banda and recuerdo, DE, where you obviously have some experience and knowledge. You know nothing, nada, zip about news radio, NPR, or what white, educated and sophisticated people listen to.

Also, WPPC apparently stands for the World Piano Pedagogy Conference, as the FCC has not issued those call letters. When you talk about WPPC it is apparent that you don't know your pedagogy from your porciuncula.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Let's not forget

What an asinine comment:

Since KCRW and KPCC are FM, they have an advantage of being FM, not of being "better" from an elitist point of view.

What a stupid, ignorant thing to say, but typical of this fool.

NPR is better than CBS LA newsradio because of the CONTENT, idiot, not the modulation. And that is true from a qualitative point of view. Little bitty KCLU earns more press awards than the CBS stations and KFI combined.

And its a KNXFWB phenomena, not a CBS issue. CBS runs some great all-news stations, that sound every bit as smart, sophisticated and informed as an NPR affiliate" KCBS-AM is just one.

Calling that conclusion elitist reveals you, El Porcupino, to have no idea what you are talking about when you cross out of your format.

Stick to analyzing rap music, banda and recuerdo, DE, where you obviously have some experience and knowledge. You know nothing, nada, zip about news radio, NPR, or what white, educated and sophisticated people listen to.

Also, WPPC apparently stands for the World Piano Pedagogy Conference, as the FCC has not issued those call letters. When you talk about WPPC it is apparent that you don't know your pedagogy from your porciuncula.

Sprio Agnew would have a lot of fun with you. What an elitist.

I think both KCRW and KPCC suck. I hate listening to them, and actually prefer KNX. The former are so holier-than-thou and pretentios, I can not stand it. But that is why there are lots of stations, so we can pick and choose according to our own tastes.

But the fact is, the 45 and under crowd is not on AM. The total AM share in 12-44 is just hovering at a 9. WTOP, the great news station in DC, shuttered the AM side and moved to an FM because the under 55's were shrinking each year. KSL in SLC is simulcasting on FM to get younger demos. KTAR is moving to FM after a period of simulcast because of demos.

It is all about the band. Salable demos are disappearing on AM.

You said, "....to have no idea what you are talking about when you cross out of your format."

What format would that be? I do or have done country, classic rock, dance, oldies, Jack, AC, reggaetón, salsa, news talk, CHR, beautiful music, Andean music, cumbia, classical, drama & news, jammin´oldies, classic country, all sports, and a couple of others. So _WHICH_ format would it be that I "cross out of" if you have any idea at all.

P.S. I have done the Hemisphere's most listened to news and talk station for Emmis. I did the #1 news talker in Puerto Rico. I did KTNQ for years when it was top 10 as a news talker. Now, I'll bet you are going to tell me there are no upper income people in Argentina or San Juan or LA... go ahead!

You want a particular style of news delivery... one that the tiny remaining Anglo segment of LA is not clamoring for. Please move to another market where there are more pedants to form the cume base for such a station.

 

[zumahans]

Re: Let's not forget

Sprio Agnew would have a lot of fun with you. What an elitist.

I think both KCRW and KPCC suck. I hate listening to them, and actually prefer KNX. The former are so holier-than-thou and pretentios, I can not stand it. But that is why there are lots of stations, so we can pick and choose according to our own tastes.

But the fact is, the 45 and under crowd is not on AM. The total AM share in 12-44 is just hovering at a 9. WTOP, the great news station in DC, shuttered the AM side and moved to an FM because the under 55's were shrinking each year. KSL in SLC is simulcasting on FM to get younger demos. KTAR is moving to FM after a period of simulcast because of demos.

It is all about the band. Salable demos are disappearing on AM.

You said, "....to have no idea what you are talking about when you cross out of your format."

What format would that be? I do or have done country, classic rock, dance, oldies, Jack, AC, reggaetón, salsa, news talk, CHR, beautiful music, Andean music, cumbia, classical, drama & news, jammin´oldies, classic country, all sports, and a couple of others. So _WHICH_ format would it be that I "cross out of" if you have any idea at all.

P.S. I have done the Hemisphere's most listened to news and talk station for Emmis. I did the #1 news talker in Puerto Rico. I did KTNQ for years when it was top 10 as a news talker. Now, I'll bet you are going to tell me there are no upper income people in Argentina or San Juan or LA... go ahead!

You want a particular style of news delivery... one that the tiny remaining Anglo segment of LA is not clamoring for. Please move to another market where there are more pedants to form the cume base for such a station.

Spiro Agnew was a hero of yours, I see.

You can't even spell "pretentious" and you frequently lash out at others for mispelling things, then play the dyslexia card.

Pathetic, David, pathetic. You are such an expert in so many formats, but all of them in foreign languages. Good for you, the topic here is english language allnews, and in that, you are out of your element. Programming KTNQ back in the pleistocene epoch does not count... and taking credit for that train wreck is false praise anyway. That was a bit before my time, but wasn't that just Bill Ballance talking dirty to bored housewifes? You take credit for that?

You say "Why don't you move to another market"? Just who is the elitist?

Glad to see you got the WPPC call letter issue straightened out. I would hate for the rest of the world to think you didn;t know whatg the hell you are talking about.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Let's not forget

Pathetic, David, pathetic. You are such an expert in so many formats, but all of them in foreign languages. Good for you, the topic here is english language allnews, and in that, you are out of your element. Programming KTNQ back in the pleistocene epoch does not count... and taking credit for that train wreck is false praise anyway. That was a bit before my time, but wasn't that just Bill Ballance talking dirty to bored housewifes? You take credit for that?

I see. How is doing all news in Spanish different form doing it in English or, let's say, Farsi? How is news gathering or writing any different in English and, let's say, French? A news or news and talk station is a news station, irrespective of langauge.

And many of the stations I have done, or consulted have been in English... in fact, our company has a half dozen English stations, ranging from Hip Hop to Classic Rock and Oldies. And I've done staitons in English in the Southwest rangig from KRUX and KTKT to KENO and KONE... plus WEZR in DC, WERC and WERC-FM in Birmingham, and a couple of others.

What stations in ANY language have you programmed? How many stations with cumes over 1,000,000 have you programmed? How many times have you been a key part of the team that has the #1, #2 and #5 25-54 staitons in LA?

I programmed KTNQ from 1995 to around 2000. That is hardly ancient history, as it is less than a decade ago. KTNQ was on occasion top 10 in 12+, not exactly a common happening for an AM in LA.

Bill Ballance was on KGBS, not KTNQ. KGBS was a daytimer, and ran roughly between 1959 when KPOP changed calls to KGBS through 1975 (approximately) when it went CHR under PD Mike McVay and GM Jeff williams. I think Ballance was on in the late 60's into the very early 70's. I was at WUNO in San Juan then.

 

[zumahans]

Re: Let's not forget

El Porciuncula: How is doing all news in Spanish different form doing it in English or, let's say, Farsi?

ZH: Not different at all, as far as I know. You are the one who repeatedly, ad nauseum, writes that all news flops in spanish.

El Gran Radiodifusora: And many of the stations I have done, or consulted have been in English... in fact, our company has a half dozen English stations, ranging from Hip Hop to Classic Rock and Oldies. And I've done staitons in English in the Southwest rangig from KRUX and KTKT to KENO and KONE... plus WEZR in DC, WERC and WERC-FM in Birmingham, and a couple of others.

Zuma: Wowee, whatg a string of flops. KRUX, KTKT and KENO were all successful stations on their way down when the old man in LA put you in charge to ride the ship to the bottom. That KRUX, wow, what a success story that was. KTKT was what, one of five stations in the market with a 24-hour signal? Wow, what a big man.

El Grande Hombre desde la Voz de Dios: What stations in ANY language have you programmed? How many stations with cumes over 1,000,000 have you programmed? How many times have you been a key part of the team that has the #1, #2 and #5 25-54 staitons in LA?

Zumavision: I gave up on radio 25 years ago and went into TV. Unlike you, I don't have to nail a resume to every post to show everyone what a big shot I used to be 20 years ago. I prefer to let my writing make my arguments for me, not an overinflated chest.

DE: I programmed KTNQ from 1995 to around 2000.

Me: Wow. Another sinking ship. Did you ride it all the way to the bottom? Or did they jettison you before it tanked at .1?

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Let's not forget

El Porciuncula: How is doing all news in Spanish different form doing it in English or, let's say, Farsi?

ZH: Not different at all, as far as I know. You are the one who repeatedly, ad nauseum, writes that all news flops in spanish.

---->>> Reading skiull improvemnt course recommended. I said such formats in the US fail because they are cume driven. They fail in Mexico because there is no tradition of all news. Elsewhere, they are successful, but usually done more magazine than newspaper style, with news, commentary, sports, even satire or parody and listener interaction woven in as opposed to "give us 20 minutes...." The number 3 and #5 stations in Puerto Rico are of this type, and in Argentina, there are 13 AMs that are news based magazine formats.

El Gran Radiodifusora: And many of the stations I have done, or consulted have been in English... in fact, our company has a half dozen English stations, ranging from Hip Hop to Classic Rock and Oldies. And I've done staitons in English in the Southwest rangig from KRUX and KTKT to KENO and KONE... plus WEZR in DC, WERC and WERC-FM in Birmingham, and a couple of others.

------>>>> Hey, trilingual one. "Radiodifusora" means "radio staiton" and I am a "radiodifusor" or a "broadcaster." Very bilingual you are, yep.

Zuma: Wowee, whatg a string of flops. KRUX, KTKT and KENO were all successful stations on their way down when the old man in LA put you in charge to ride the ship to the bottom. That KRUX, wow, what a success story that was. KTKT was what, one of five stations in the market with a 24-hour signal? Wow, what a big man.

------>>>> When I left, all were profitable. KRUX was spun off to one of Howard's partners (Howard was in his 40's, so hardly "old") and KENO kept on being #1 for several more years. While I was there, KENO had double digit shares, by the way.

El Grande Hombre desde la Voz de Dios: What stations in ANY language have you programmed? How many stations with cumes over 1,000,000 have you programmed? How many times have you been a key part of the team that has the #1, #2 and #5 25-54 staitons in LA?

Zumavision: I gave up on radio 25 years ago and went into TV. Unlike you, I don't have to nail a resume to every post to show everyone what a big shot I used to be 20 years ago. I prefer to let my writing make my arguments for me, not an overinflated chest.

-------->>>> I see. The answer is "none." Thank you. You demand your elitist content on radio, and make singing remarks about current and past programming you don't like yet you really have no experience of any consequence in radio.

DE: I programmed KTNQ from 1995 to around 2000.

Me: Wow. Another sinking ship. Did you ride it all the way to the bottom? Or did they jettison you before it tanked at .1?

------>>>> No, the success of KRCD motivated the management at the time to add KTNQ to the simulcast to gain the San Fernando Valley and the OC to the coverage area, which turend out not to have been a good idea; I was the one who converted it to talk in 1995, by the way. The real issue is that Spanish news talk does not come up on Hispanic targeted buys, so the revenue lagged the ratings.

 

[zumahans]

Re: Let's not forget

---->>> Reading skiull improvemnt course recommended.

I will work on my skiulls.

---> I said such formats in the US fail because they are cume driven. They fail in Mexico because there is no tradition of all news. Elsewhere, they are successful, but usually done more magazine than newspaper style, with news, commentary, sports, even satire or parody and listener interaction woven in as opposed to "give us 20 minutes...." The number 3 and #5 stations in Puerto Rico are of this type, and in Argentina, there are 13 AMs that are news based magazine formats.

Talking about here, not there. Could care less about Argentina. Do they have an insipid national anthem, too?

------>>>> Hey, trilingual one. "Radiodifusora" means "radio staiton" and I am a "radiodifusor" or a "broadcaster." Very bilingual you are, yep.

"Radio staiton"? I assumed from your posts your WERE the "radio staiton."


------>>>> When I left, all were profitable. KRUX was spun off to one of Howard's partners (Howard was in his 40's, so hardly "old") and KENO kept on being #1 for several more years. While I was there, KENO had double digit shares, by the way.

Profitable? How could an AM in the 1970s not be profitable? Back then, even a loser like KRUX printed money.


El Grande Hombre desde la Voz de Dios: What stations in ANY language have you programmed? How many stations with cumes over 1,000,000 have you programmed? How many times have you been a key part of the team that has the #1, #2 and #5 25-54 staitons in LA?

Zumavision: I gave up on radio 25 years ago and went into TV. Unlike you, I don't have to nail a resume to every post to show everyone what a big shot I used to be 20 years ago. I prefer to let my writing make my arguments for me, not an overinflated chest.

-------->>>> You demand your elitist content on radio, and make singing remarks about current and past programming you don't like yet you really have no experience of any consequence in radio.

Yup, it must really suck to hear from an informed listener who isn;t afraid to take on blowhards from corporate radio.


------>>>> No, the success of KRCD motivated the management at the time to add KTNQ to the simulcast to gain the San Fernando Valley and the OC to the coverage area, which turend out not to have been a good idea; I was the one who converted it to talk in 1995, by the way. The real issue is that Spanish news talk does not come up on Hispanic targeted buys, so the revenue lagged the ratings.

KTNQ is your ticket to claim expertness at the difference between KNX and KPCC? A failed spanish language talk format?

You are such a big shot, a programmer of such radio industry legends as KRUX and KTNQ. How dare a mere mortal like me question one who shares nectar and huitlacoche with the gods?

KRUX AND KTNQ. The giants of radio, two real legends.

 

[zumahans]

Re: Let's not forget

You demand your elitist content on radio, and make singing remarks

"Singing" remarks?

Huh?

Uh, OK, let's play.

This one is set to that stirring tune, La Cucaracha.

La K-T-N-Q
La K-T-N-Q!
Where oh where is it now?

Oh K-T-N-Q,
Oh K-T-N-Q!
Does any give a crap now?

If you want, I'll try setting the words to the stirring legacy you left at KRUX and KENO to the mexican national anthem, and Recuerdo can play it midnight. OK?

 

[zumahans]

Here comes the dyslexia card:

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Let's not forget

Talking about here, not there. Could care less about Argentina. Do they have an insipid national anthem, too?

---->>> There you go again. Buenos Aires has 17 million inhabitants, and 12 or 13 news talk or sports talk stations. The one I was with, owned then by Emmis, had a 34 share. I am just guessing that we were doing some things right. Maybe the 7 person on-air desk (two newscasters, one comentator, one humorist, one traffic reporter, one sportscaster, one weather person) or the 30-some writers and reporters?

---->>> Or Puerto Rico where we went from a 1.3 when whe bought the staitons (network) to the mid-6's and top-3 in 12+ in a market with 124 radio stations, with 4 other news talk nets. That would seem to indicate some credibilty.


------>>>> When I left, all were profitable. KRUX was spun off to one of Howard's partners (Howard was in his 40's, so hardly "old") and KENO kept on being #1 for several more years. While I was there, KENO had double digit shares, by the way.

Profitable? How could an AM in the 1970s not be profitable? Back then, even a loser like KRUX printed money.

----->>> Did I mention I was also doing 21 credits of more at ASU Biz School at the same time. the fact was, while I was there, the station did very well, despite the 3-way battle of the bad signals in Phoenix.


Yup, it must really suck to hear from an informed listener who isn;t afraid to take on blowhards from corporate radio.

----->>>> I really don 't know, despite years of hearing it, what "corporate radio" is. It must be staitons owned by corporations, meaning aobut 13,300 out of 13,500 US radio stations. If it means a particular mentality, you might revise your thinking. How many companies do you know that do no voice tracking, have multiple 100% local news talk stations, and which has tired several new and innovative formats in the last decade? If that is corporate, I like it.

----->>>> Having worked for smaller operators in the early 60's, I can say that it totally sucked. No insurance. No retirement. Minimum wage. No toilet paper. Dictatorial management, and high turnover. And everyone I talked to went through the same thing... because radio was such a small business it had no access to capital markets and was run in often bizarre fashion. Just think of the folks like Don Burden, Richard Eaton, etc., who were the owners then and today seems like a wonderland.


KTNQ is your ticket to claim expertness at the difference between KNX and KPCC? A failed spanish language talk format?

---->>>>> KTNQ was an absolute ratings success. Unfortunately, Hispanic agencies do not buy news talk in Spanish in the Southwest, so it was a terribly hard sell. Getting a 2.8 with a Spanish FM when the market was 36% Hispanic and only 50% Spanish dominant in that group is pretty good. Getting a 7.2 at the same time with KLVE was also pretty good. Go back and look at the Arbitron numbers from when we started to the time I left (promoted) and this was a major item... 3 pages in R&R, in fact.

You are such a big shot, a programmer of such radio industry legends as KRUX and KTNQ. How dare a mere mortal like me question one who shares nectar and huitlacoche with the gods?

----->>>> How about live personality radio 24 / 7 in the 14th market? #1 for 20 years, 1985 to 2005, a record for an FM in #1 ina top 50 market in the US. Every daypart was team personality, 5 AM to 7 PM, and single personalites from 7 PM to 5 AM. Average share all that time was around an 11 or 12, usually as much as the #2 and #3 stations together got. I would say that indicates some ability to get audience and hold them, captivate them and entertain them. I don't suppose you notice who was #1, #2 and #4 in 25-54 in LA in the Spring book, did you?

----->>>> Since you are not going to discredit me by making false claims (how you associate me with Bill Ballance, though, I will never know) and insisting that 1-share stations like KPCC and KCRW are significant players, maybe you can tell us about your triumphs in Bishop?

 

[SuperRadioFan]

Re: Let's not forget

Buenos Aires has 17 million inhabitants, and 12 or 13 news talk or sports talk stations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires#Population


Spin that, David.... OK you'll probably say "well that census is 5 years old" .... Let's see population exploded by a million a year? Birth control not in practice? Immigration from other countries?

http://www.pubquizhelp.34sp.com/geo/popcity.html

and there are other sites I found ALL of them differing in estimates of population, so why not 17 million David? Might as well be 25,000,000 or 30,000,000 what's the difference?
You'll spin whatever statistics anyone throws at you, even from a baseball fan about Puerto Rico even after proof is provided, you still stick to your guns.

On a side note: I had a great time spliiting my side with laughter ;D ;D ;D reading your debate with Hans. It was hilarious!!! A psychologist would have a field day, expecially analyzing your responses David. Hans made a good point, you cannot help but flaunt all your knowledge and experience ad nauseum (if one is interested enough in your resume, all one has to do is look at your website). Why do you feel the need to regurgitate this all the time?? Don't you think other people beside Hans and myself notice this???

If you consider some posts to be troll-like, then WHY FEED THE TROLLS????
Answer: Your enormous ego will not allow you to ignore it, even if it means you make posts at times when most people are sleeping. (or doing other things in bed)

Now we all can expect this post to be dissected almost word for word : .....

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Let's not forget

Buenos Aires has 17 million inhabitants, and 12 or 13 news talk or sports talk stations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires#Population


Spin that, David.... OK you'll probably say "well that census is 5 years old" .... Let's see population exploded by a million a year? Birth control not in practice? Immigration from other countries?

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Arbitron defines the Metro Survey Areas of the US, and none of them is just the central city. IBOPE, the huge European research company, defines Greater Buenos Aires (el gran Buenos Aires) as 17 million and change; it is the city and its suburbs. This is a radio market definiton. If we use the entire Buenos Aires district, the populatio is over 20 million.

I´ll take IBOPE over wikipedia.

 

[zumahans]

Re: Let's not forget

---->>> There you go again. Buenos Aires has 17 million inhabitants, and 12 or 13 news talk or sports talk stations. The one I was with, owned then by Emmis, had a 34 share. I am just guessing that we were doing some things right. Maybe the 7 person on-air desk (two newscasters, one comentator, one humorist, one traffic reporter, one sportscaster, one weather person) or the 30-some writers and reporters?

Wow. Impressive. Not.

---->>> Or Puerto Rico where we went from a 1.3 when whe bought the staitons (network) to the mid-6's and top-3 in 12+ in a market with 124 radio stations, with 4 other news talk nets. That would seem to indicate some credibilty.

Wow You da man, no doubt.

----->>> Did I mention I was also doing 21 credits of more at ASU Biz School at the same time. the fact was, while I was there, the station did very well, despite the 3-way battle of the bad signals in Phoenix.

Which of the four format changes in four years at KRUX was your ASU business school project? And 21 credits at ASU over 4 years is soooooo impressive. Were they still selling graduate credits for $12 an hour back then?


----->>>> I really don 't know, despite years of hearing it, what "corporate radio" is.

Yeah, that explains a WHOLE lot.

---->>>>> KTNQ was an absolute ratings success. Unfortunately, Hispanic agencies do not buy news talk in Spanish in the Southwest, so it was a terribly hard sell.

Oh, yeah, that makes you a real NPR expert.

---->>>> How about live personality radio 24 / 7 in the 14th market? #1 for 20 years, 1985 to 2005, a record for an FM in #1 ina top 50 market in the US. Every daypart was team personality, 5 AM to 7 PM, and single personalites from 7 PM to 5 AM. Average share all that time was around an 11 or 12, usually as much as the #2 and #3 stations together got. I would say that indicates some ability to get audience and hold them, captivate them and entertain them. I don't suppose you notice who was #1, #2 and #4 in 25-54 in LA in the Spring book, did you?

Holy frijoles, you must know everything.

----->>>> Since you are not going to discredit me by making false claims (how you associate me with Bill Ballance, though, I will never know) and insisting that 1-share stations like KPCC and KCRW are significant players, maybe you can tell us about your triumphs in Bishop?

Never said WPPC, KPCC and KCRW are major players. But they account for loss of audience at KNXFWB over the decades. They split the pie of informed, educated, smart listeners. You know, the people you corporate types drove away from radio!

----->>> triumphs in Bishop.

Made a lot of money, an embarrassing amount of money, supporting community radio with a commerical license.

Unlike you, I don't need to staple my resume to every post just to show how smart I am and how no one else can possibly be right if they havbe a different opinion.

By the way, I just downloaded an MP3 of the Argentine National Anthem. It sounds like an NFL Films soundtrack played on a calliope.

Not nearly as preposterous, baroque or insipid as the mexican grito de guerra. But the lyrics are over the top, too.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Let's not forget

---->>> There you go again. Buenos Aires has 17 million inhabitants, and 12 or 13 news talk or sports talk stations. The one I was with, owned then by Emmis, had a 34 share. I am just guessing that we were doing some things right. Maybe the 7 person on-air desk (two newscasters, one comentator, one humorist, one traffic reporter, one sportscaster, one weather person) or the 30-some writers and reporters?

Wow. Impressive. Not.

----->>> Did I mention I was also doing 21 credits of more at ASU Biz School at the same time. the fact was, while I was there, the station did very well, despite the 3-way battle of the bad signals in Phoenix.

Which of the four format changes in four years at KRUX was your ASU business school project? And 21 credits at ASU over 4 years is soooooo impressive. Were they still selling graduate credits for $12 an hour back then?


----->>>> I really don 't know, despite years of hearing it, what "corporate radio" is.

Yeah, that explains a WHOLE lot.

---->>>>> KTNQ was an absolute ratings success. Unfortunately, Hispanic agencies do not buy news talk in Spanish in the Southwest, so it was a terribly hard sell.

Oh, yeah, that makes you a real NPR expert.

---->>>> How about live personality radio 24 / 7 in the 14th market? #1 for 20 years, 1985 to 2005, a record for an FM in #1 ina top 50 market in the US. Every daypart was team personality, 5 AM to 7 PM, and single personalites from 7 PM to 5 AM. Average share all that time was around an 11 or 12, usually as much as the #2 and #3 stations together got. I would say that indicates some ability to get audience and hold them, captivate them and entertain them. I don't suppose you notice who was #1, #2 and #4 in 25-54 in LA in the Spring book, did you?

Holy frijoles, you must know everything.

----->>>> Since you are not going to discredit me by making false claims (how you associate me with Bill Ballance, though, I will never know) and insisting that 1-share stations like KPCC and KCRW are significant players, maybe you can tell us about your triumphs in Bishop?

Never said WPPC, KPCC and KCRW are major players. But they account for loss of audience at KNXFWB over the decades. They split the pie of informed, educated, smart listeners. You know, the people you corporate types drove away from radio!

----->>> triumphs in Bishop.

Made a lot of money, an embarrassing amount of money, supporting community radio with a commerical license.

Unlike you, I don't need to staple my resume to every post just to show how smart I am and how no one else can possibly be right if they havbe a different opinion.

By the way, I just downloaded an MP3 of the Argentine National Anthem. It sounds like an NFL Films soundtrack played on a calliope.

Not nearly as preposterous, baroque or insipid as the mexican grito de guerra. But the lyrics are over the top, too.

Since the Buenos Aires station had, maybe, the highest news talk share in the Hemisphere, and cumed around 3 million, I think it is very impressive. It also shows that suppsedly corporate radio groups like Emmis will do very good local radio when that is what is the right option.

To clarify, I was doing 21 to 23 semester credits at ASU. Since it was where I could study, it was my only choice. And since I did not want a diploma as much as a bacground in the true areas of radio, like psychology, sociology, statistics, math, electronics, buisness, accounting, law, I took a lot of courses that did not qualify me for a degree. At the same time, I was programming KWKW via weekly visits, and helping with the CHRs and KONE. It was a nice way to get through school.

One does not have to be an "NPR" expert to know that a one share is nothing special when the NPR station in San Francisco is #2 in the market. They do a vastly better job there than they do in LA, and it shows in actually having real and significant numbers, not the below-25th shoing of KCRW and the ground clutter range of KPCC.

Any loss at KNX over th elast decade has been due to AM attrition, not the two FMs you mention. In fact, the growth of KPCC and KCRW have very little correlation with whatever is happening to KNX. AM has been losing almost all the 35-44s and there is severe 45-54 erosion. Since the two formats (KNX vs. the FM more depth, talky format) are different, they are also used differently. Just look at the in car for KNX, while the FMs do not et anything like that... the rpgramming is too long form.

Many of us in big markets do extensive community efforts. Come over and look at the walls of the PD of Recuerdo in LA, with honors for personal involvment for all kinds of activities. In fact, that station's mission statement startes with "community."