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Why is rock the only genre that Classic Hits stations tend to lean toward?

It seems like most Classic Hits stations tend to have a rock lean to them, and I can't quite understand why. Are there many Classic Hits (not Variety Hits, but Classic Hits) stations that do a good job of balancing different genres of music from the '70s and '80s? It seems like a lot of them sound too much like classic rock.

WFGR in Grand Rapids does a pretty good job of including some pop/dance hits from the '80s and even includes a few early '90s hits as well. I don't really like a ton of rock music, but I do find that sometimes WFGR plays good music by artists such as Madonna, Tears For Fears, C + C Music Factory, Ton Loc, and so on.

Could there be Classic Hits stations that have a Rhythmic AC lean to them, for instance? Why is rock the dominant genre? There was so much more to the '70s and '80s than rock.
 
I'd like to offer a theory of mine that could perhaps answer the question. But as far as classic hits stations that do a good job in balancing genres, I'd have to give the nod to CBS Radio. They are not cookie-cutter. WOGL in Philly tends to lean Motown, Soul etc. giving them a more rhythmic lean. WOCL in Orlando has a number of programming elements to it that reflect a rising Hispanic community, such as their dance-themed shows etc. But at the same time, they occasionally go way back to the early 60's but still their overall sound is nothing like your parents oldies station.

If you think about someone who is 40 today, they were born in 1972. If you figure by time they became at least 10 or even early teens, their music radio listening would have been on FM not AM. FM was a different animal. Because FM had so many more music formats than AM ever did, it saw the beginning of getting away from a mass-appeal approach to a target audience approach. But even in the 70's, I noticed AM hit music stations almost always power-played the very biggest hits no matter what. Here's an example. Who can forget "You Light Up My Life" that seemed to be #1 forever. AM had no trouble over-playing the song. At least on FM I remember at the time, the rotation clock was slowed way down. After all, FM was trying to convey a "cool" image and Debbie Boone just didn't fit in no matter how well the song sold. Again, on FM it was all about specific target demos.

For people growing up, let's say in the 80's, CHR on FM wasn't as mass-appeal as it once was on AM. There were also rock formats that were getting lots of attention too. Listeners were also exposed to AC at work, let's say, and artists such as Elton John, Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel etc. Even though many of those songs were now 10 years old, these listeners would continue to be exposed to them for a considerable amount of time. It probably explains why classic hits formats, especially when they morphed from traditional oldies power-played those artists. Add the Eagles too, how could I forget that overplayed band?

Indeed, there was a lot more to music in the 70's and 80's than in what we hear today on the radio, but I think it all boils down to what is the most familiar to the most number of people who are in the 36-49 age range. I'd love a classic hits station to embrace more of the music I grew up with, particularly 70's music that actually went beyond the core artists I mentioned above. But then, radio is not targeting listeners like me who were listening to AM music radio in its' heyday of the mid 60's to the mid 70's. Still, there are some bright spots. CBS radio, for example, offer music specials such as A-Z or Top 1000 countdowns etc. Many of these songs are featured in those occasions. So, all in all, it's a pretty good trade off.

Here's a specific song that can probably explain it all and I mentioned this before in one of the other boards. I grew up in the NYC area and listened to WABC most of the time. "Sweet Home Alabama" was not a song that made it to WABC. Either it didn't sell well enough in the NYC area or it didn't fit the criteria of the station. I didn't become aware of that song for at least 20 years after it came out. Today, Classic Hits WCBS-FM regularly features that song. Also, whenever they do listener requested countdowns, that song lands near the top of the charts. I left NYC in the late 70s and moved to Florida. But apparently, a new generation of listeners were exposed to that song on FM. As time has gone on, I've noticed CBS-FM move further away from sounding old WABC like to more of what WHTZ was like decades ago.

As far as classic hits and what they offer in 60's music, I think that too goes back to what FM hit music stations were doing in the early 80's. I can't speak for all CHR formats but in South Florida Y-100 every once in a while would feature a 60's song after their morning news. The feature went something like that's the news for March 28, 1982 and then the jock would shout March 28, 1968 and play a song popular then. But what is interesting to note is many of those 60's songs I remember hearing on Y-100 back then have still survived today. AC back then featured a number of those songs too and I suspect it gives some familiarity. Then the oldies formats took off and there is familiarity among even more 60's songs for people who weren't even born yet.

But in the end, it's all a numbers game. Feature too many 60's and early 70's songs and a throwback to those glory AM days and you risk being out of the money demo. But even after all of this, classic hits formats tend to be too restrictive. CBS-Radio is still a good bet though as time goes on to feature the soundtrack to many across multiple decades.

Thanks for bringing this subject up - it's a good one!
 
Great answer .... thanks! I realized, though, that I should have posted my question in the Classic Hits board rather than the Variety Hits one. Oops. (Maybe I'll post it there too.)
 
I've often said here on these boards that if you want to hear a hit from "back in the day" which "crossed over" from another genre, you would be better off listening to a station from that artist's "home" genre. There was a lot of country crossover (for example) back in the '70s and '80s, but nowadays if you were wanting to hear those songs again, you would need to listen to a "classic" country station, if there is one in your area. I can tell you that most of us who were into whatever passed for "pop" music back in the '80s have absolutely NO desire to ever hear "Elvira" ever again! Truth be told, we just barely tolerated it on "our" stations even back then! ::)
 
If you think about someone who is 40 today, they were born in 1972. If you figure by time they became at least 10 or even early teens, their music radio listening would have been on FM not AM. FM was a different animal. Because FM had so many more music formats than AM ever did, it saw the beginning of getting away from a mass-appeal approach to a target audience approach. But even in the 70's, I noticed AM hit music stations almost always power-played the very biggest hits no matter what. Here's an example. Who can forget "You Light Up My Life" that seemed to be #1 forever. AM had no trouble over-playing the song. At least on FM I remember at the time, the rotation clock was slowed way down. After all, FM was trying to convey a "cool" image and Debbie Boone just didn't fit in no matter how well the song sold. Again, on FM it was all about specific target demos.
In theory, that may have been true. But the AM top 40 station that I grew up listening to back in the '70s added an FM sister station in the early '80s (30 years ago this fall, I think!), and simply exported their top 40 format (along with their bad habit of "overkilling" the top songs) over to their new FM sister station. Yeah, by that time, "You Light Up My Life" had long since run its course, so I doubt that the FM station ever played it. I seriously doubt that even the AM station, which by then had taken on more of an "adult contemporary" sound (eventually morphing over to oldies) ever played it again.
 
Most classic hits stations will narrow their playlist down to about 300-500 songs with 200 of them getting much heavier rotation. They don't just have their safe artists but also those artist's safe songs. You will hear EJ's "Your Song" but wont hear "Mama Can't Buy You Love" since the later has a more disco element to it and might turn off a listener that likes "Sweet Home Alabama" or "Rock 'n Roll Fantasy.

It's very difficult to have a successful classic hits station with a playlist like that. Most ppl consider a disco record followed by a new wave record followed by an Air Supply record a trainwreck.
 
^^^I love trainwrecks too, but if I owned a station and depended on ad dollars to keep my 'stick transmitting Air Supply, Englebert Humperdink, John Denver would be taboo unless it's a Sunday Night Special but in no way would I have those artists in regular rotaion.
 
Terms I hate

Trainwrecks
stiffs
obscure
consultants
55+
hobbyist
wannabe
income

these all seem to pop up when someone has programmed a really cool sounding, great library, creative programmed, station...call me crazy..Oooooooops poor choice of term..for sure someone will call me crazy....
 
chitchatjf said:
I Love trainwrecks. Try going from a late 50s do wop ballad to a current. :)
I formerly worked for a radio station that had an automated FM using the old reel-to-reel tapes. This was in the early '90s. (Yeah, kinda late to still be using '70s-style automation, but I digress.) They had an automation system with four reel-to-reel machines, ceiling to floor. '50s (up to British invasion) on the topmost deck, then the rest of the '60 on the machine at about eye-level, then '70s below that, then '80s down there on the floor. The '60s reel played the most, followed by the '70s. The other two would play as "fill" until time for the next spotset (at roughly 15-minute intervals). Occasionally, you would indeed have something from the '50s playing, followed by something from the '80s, which at that time would have been only a few years old, particularly if it was something from the late '80s.
 
I've heard stations refer to themselves as "Classic Hits" or "Classic Rock" but it usually results in very similar playlists (mostly rock with some deeper cuts on the CR signals).
 
landtuna said:
I've heard stations refer to themselves as "Classic Hits" or "Classic Rock" but it usually results in very similar playlists (mostly rock with some deeper cuts on the CR signals).

True, I was listening to WLS-FM's stream this week and they sounded like a Classic Rock station with jingles and upbeat DJ's.

It seems classic hits is trying to snag part of that older audience many classic rock stations have left behind when many moved into the 80's hair bands and 90's grunge rockers.
 
firepoint525 said:
melan8tr said:
Trainwrecks
stiffs
obscure
consultants
55+
hobbyist
wannabe
income
That's David Eduardo's entire vocabulary right there! ;)

Add "oldiesfreak"....been called that too, several years ago.
 
firepoint525 said:
If you think about someone who is 40 today, they were born in 1972. If you figure by time they became at least 10 or even early teens, their music radio listening would have been on FM not AM. FM was a different animal. Because FM had so many more music formats than AM ever did, it saw the beginning of getting away from a mass-appeal approach to a target audience approach. But even in the 70's, I noticed AM hit music stations almost always power-played the very biggest hits no matter what. Here's an example. Who can forget "You Light Up My Life" that seemed to be #1 forever. AM had no trouble over-playing the song. At least on FM I remember at the time, the rotation clock was slowed way down. After all, FM was trying to convey a "cool" image and Debbie Boone just didn't fit in no matter how well the song sold. Again, on FM it was all about specific target demos.
In theory, that may have been true. But the AM top 40 station that I grew up listening to back in the '70s added an FM sister station in the early '80s (30 years ago this fall, I think!), and simply exported their top 40 format (along with their bad habit of "overkilling" the top songs) over to their new FM sister station. Yeah, by that time, "You Light Up My Life" had long since run its course, so I doubt that the FM station ever played it. I seriously doubt that even the AM station, which by then had taken on more of an "adult contemporary" sound (eventually morphing over to oldies) ever played it again.

YLUML will never run its course in my mother's mind. She dug it when it was new, and she had the organist play it at her wedding to my stepfather. And Debby's singing a new version of it in some commercial that's currently running on Fox News.

ixnay
 
ixnay said:
If you think about someone who is 40 today, they were born in 1972. If you figure by time they became at least 10 or even early teens, their music radio listening would have been on FM not AM. FM was a different animal. Because FM had so many more music formats than AM ever did, it saw the beginning of getting away from a mass-appeal approach to a target audience approach. But even in the 70's, I noticed AM hit music stations almost always power-played the very biggest hits no matter what. Here's an example. Who can forget "You Light Up My Life" that seemed to be #1 forever. AM had no trouble over-playing the song. At least on FM I remember at the time, the rotation clock was slowed way down. After all, FM was trying to convey a "cool" image and Debbie Boone just didn't fit in no matter how well the song sold. Again, on FM it was all about specific target demos.In theory, that may have been true. But the AM top 40 station that I grew up listening to back in the '70s added an FM sister station in the early '80s (30 years ago this fall, I think!), and simply exported their top 40 format (along with their bad habit of "overkilling" the top songs) over to their new FM sister station. Yeah, by that time, "You Light Up My Life" had long since run its course, so I doubt that the FM station ever played it. I seriously doubt that even the AM station, which by then had taken on more of an "adult contemporary" sound (eventually morphing over to oldies) ever played it again. YLUML will never run its course in my mother's mind. She dug it when it was new, and she had the organist play it at her wedding to my stepfather. And Debby's singing a new version of it in some commercial that's currently running on Fox News.
Lifestyle Lift
 
firepoint525 said:
Wasn't there someone on here who used to post under that screen name anyway? ;D

Don't remember that actual screen name.....but the only other person that I can remember, that posted on the oldies boards a few years back would be Scooty430, but I have not seen any posts by him in quite some time.
 
Interesting question. I think the answer is related to the question: why do CHRs tend to lean rhythmic? A rock fan would argue that rhythmic music is more faddish (current) whereas rock music is more timeless (classic).
 
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