WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE RAP/HIP-HOP STATION IN COLUMBUS???????????????

[datfireman]

I agree 100,000%. Power 107-5 is almost unlistenable and it's a shame thet have NO competition. I grew in NW Louisiana and was surrounded by great urban stations and i'm a huge fan of good urban radio (hip-hop as well as R&B and old school) I've been in Columbus on and off on a regular since @ 1992 and its been bad. I remember when I first came here Power 106.3 was an extremely weak signal from London, OH. and they played little to no hip-hop. Hot 105-Hot 107 played some but it was watered down suburban rap and the same pre-recorded mix shows every fri and sat night. when Power 1st moved to 107.5, it had come a long way and was a lot better music wise so were the DJ's and the deliver. i thought finally they're doing something here. still when i'd go home i'd here all sorts of music i never heard here being played was on station down there. sometimes 6 months later they'd play them here and most times they wouldn't. But since then 107.5 has gone downhill in my opinion and downhill big tyme. no competion really hurts. i travel often for work etc. and its past embarrassing when i get close enough to another cities urban station and how they sound compared to here. now i do understand Power 107 is now CHR-Rhy but still, they need to do much better. thats the format and music that I and most people I know listen to and they all feel the same way about it. We need something new and better. Z-103 had a horrible siganl and the presentation wasnt good at all but i did like the playlist a lot better than Power. I think a good urban station can play the current new as well as the old as well. thats how it always was growing up with. KMJJ, KDKS (and later KBTT) in Shreveport, K-104 and 100.3 Jamz in Dallas, Majic 102 (later 102 Jamz) and 97-9 tha Boxx in Houston all great stations that are still kicking today (even though some have gone Urban AC.) I'd love to have at leave one station here in Columbus with a good signal, good jocks (that actually interact with the listeners), a good rotation and for crying out loud a live mix show and from the looks of this board, i'm sure i'm not the only one. 8)

hell yeah my brother. i grow up in Columbus Georgia and (foxie 105.0 FM) back in the late 90's and early 2000's. they used to be a bi-part-ta-sin station where they would play east coast/west coast dirty south and Midwest mixed into one. and they would have a @#$%load of dj mix shows.

THE MOST COOLEST THANG IS....... THEY USE TO PLAY ARTISTS ALBUMS AND THEN GET THE PEOPLE REACTION ON HOW DEY FELT ABOUT IT! like they play Lil Kim's La Bella mafia album and the fans love it!

I Like the southern radio stations more because they seem to be independent and they get more creative control over there stations! and they support there local talent there. like i got my beat play on the radio station before. and this dude from school got on the radio too! and it was a weekly t.v. program decaited to local artists!

 

[alans613]

Worth a reminder here that the results of a trial are pretty much meaningless if it was on a pipsqueak signal (zillions of those hereabouts) and/or implemented poorly. In such cases the likely failure will say virtually nada about "what works in Columbus and what doesn't" -- though people will try to make claims along those lines.

A couple examples: Dave Robbin's infamous short-lived 90's "Hot AC" that made Sunny sound like a hard rocker (mega-poor implementation -- and BTW, he blamed the debacle on "taking the research too literally," which if true corroborates my earlier point about how the same research can sometimes be interpreted multiple ways). Or TED-FM, which led many to unjustifiably conclude that Adult Hits can't work here, when it was doomed from the start by that pipsqueak signal and questionable implementation.

I remember the WNCI AC format from the mid 90s. It was a disaster. I remember the ads too:
"You won't hear all that top 40 teen rap music-WE'VE DROPPED IT! WNCI DOES mean a real variety of hits from the 70s 80s and 90s".

 

[alans613]

Re: Columbus/Re: WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE RAP/HIP-HOP STATION IN COLUMBUS???????????????

I was on Cleveland Ave once and heard Z... but yes, it will never compete. I think 103 will stay Spanish or eventually become an empty frequency within years. Now, I do think on the right frequency, a fresh new station could work. Power is the ONLY station for Hip-Hop in Columbus unless listeners experiment and try to pick up HOT 1029... Power beats WNCI because WNCI sounds horrible. Kids don't wanna hear Rob Thomas and Lifehouse when they're listening to the radio at night.... yes, WNCI may daypart those out, but they don't daypart Lil Wayne in either. WNCI needs to face the fact that CHR isn't what it used to be. It's heavily rhythmic-controlled now.

Jammin:

There are 2 varieties of CHR. One is mainstream, the other rhythmic. WNCI is a mainstream CHR which leans a bit toward A/C in the daytime.

Both formats can work very well. It's all dependent upon market conditions as to which direction you do.

And the world doesn't revolve around "kids". Few commercial buys are purchased toward "kids".

Power is a much better station than Hot 102-9.

Power is a much better station than Hot 102-9

not to rude but how do you know that? and what does CHR mean? like in the country and rock market they have new rock aka alternative rock and they have classic rock aka soft rock. same with country jazz and other genres.

example: there are people who like nickel back, nine inch nails, talyor swift, toby mcgrawer, but there are another crowd who likes hotes and oats the beach boys and other classic hits! the old folks are gonna want to hear the music they grew up on. and the young folks are gonna want to hear new shit.

So Why can't the hip hop/rap fans who hate commerical rap, hip-pop or auto tune have a station. you know there are just as many people who hate Lil Wanye Gucci Mane Beyonce T-pain and Souljah boy. the same amount of people who like them also hate them.

basically...... there divided into two market places or fanbases of alternative country and classic country.
Alterive rock and classic rock. new RnB and classic soul. AND even got a gospel station!

like there can be 300 million people who like them and there are 100 million who hate them. the 100 million audience like's classic underground or flashback (2000-2005) rap/hip hop. SO what about the 100 million who
like
dr.dre,
too short,
wu tang,
biggie,
2pac,
common,
bone thugs,
2 live crew,
no limit soilders
krs ONE!

I'm Pretty sure there will be a huge fan base for it. C'mon man it's three decade's worth of hits.

I'll take this question -

Power has succeeded over the years because, like it or not, they've stayed true to their target audience. But that audience is not teenagers.

Kevin's right. Every one of those artists you mention do not test well with anyone...young, middle age, old.

Why can't there be a station that doesn't play "commercial" music? Simple. Commercial music brings listeners which brings the advertising money that keeps the station on the air. Without advertisers, you have no station. You get radio for free (but for the cost of the receiver) in return for hearing the commercials. That's the way it works. Music that only appeals to a smaller, more select audience or "niche" audience will not bring high enough ratings to support a large market radio station. Of course, one option might be to put that type of station on an HD-2 channel...buy an HD Radio, and there would be your station.

No offense to Hot 102-9, but if they were owned by a company that would put some money into it, they could be better than they are. If anything, their present owners have cut staff there to, perhaps support its other property seemingly higher in the food chain there, Fly 92-9. (Of course, it's just a computer with a PD and one staffer as well.) Oh, well, though...at least they don't try to pull the trick Radio One did when they owned them. Talking about "Radio One - celebrating 25 years of service to the community!", when they'd only owned the station for about 2 years!

By the way, don't feel too bad. The "old folks" (think people in their 50's and 60's) can't get a station they like, either.
Once you get past age 55, advertisers consider you dead, and not worthy of their advertising. So all of the oldies stations (which appeal to a large number of older people still) have all but dropped off the dial, too.

By the way, don't feel too bad. The "old folks" (think people in their 50's and 60's) can't get a station they like, either.


have you done any research on columbus radio station? How dare you insult my Intellgents!
CHECK THIS OUT


http://www.ontheradio.net/metro/Columbus_OH.aspx


THEN comeback.......... SIR, yes SIR! SHAME ON A *****! lol!
wait...... now ask yourself how many urban/hip-hop stations are there? and how many oldies and rock/country station are on there. my friend!






Every one of those artists you mention do not test well with anyone...young, middle age, old.

How stupid can you be???????????? not to be offensive. BUT SERIOUSLY................

if that was the case they wouldn't still be world wide celebrities. they still wouldn't be able to do shows and get anywhere from $1,000 a show to $2,000,000 a show. MC hammer is considered washed up by lil wanye and gucci mane $#@!riders and he stills does national wide and overseas touring. they might not be alica keys, lil wanye and jay-z status but they still have a descent marketable fan base!
and guess what....... the kids/teenage market loves the old school/underground hip hop/rnb scene

you say: How muther ------?

me: lists of songs that young crowd/commerical audience still likes...................

MC Hammer - can't touch this

sir-mix-a-lot - big butts

2 live crew - me so horny

Run-DMC ft/ Aerosmith : Walk This Way

Lox ft. DMX and Lil’ Kim : Money, Power, Respect (not well known but this song introduced the yung people to the phrase)


Summertime - DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince

will smith - men in black
fresh prince theme song

bad boy
and death row.

all of these both the new and the old audience like! perhap's the only way to settle this is if we have poll and let the fans on radio-info decide. do anybody know how to make a poll!

Yes, Kevin HAS done a ton of research before...and not only in Columbus! He's a respected radio veteran, and doesn't come on a radio message board running his mouth about a subject he knows nothing about. It sounds like you are a very angry, bitter person who doesn't like to receive criticism on your knowledge-free posts. Like I said, if you don't like Power 107, flip on your iPod and pick your own music, or there's always both internet radio, and/or XM/Sirius. Otherwise, it is in poor taste to come on this board and insult a person with thirty-plus years of radio experience and tear him apart like he's a 13 year old that doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[dawg4life]

Before this thread gets too out of hand, let's lay down some guidelines for the newbies.

datfireman, while most of us can appreciate your passion for better radio and to some extent even agree with part of your rants, please do it with some respect towards others.

Also while I do understand that these days that it seems to "b da shiznit yo" to use slang and short abbreviation for words as well as not capitalizing letters or writing complete sentences, I hope you do understand without trying to insult your intelligence that writing this way doesn't fly on internet boards unless you're only speaking to other 15 year olds who think it's cool to butcher the English language. So don't be surprised when someone makes you look like a fool for doing so.

We welcome all radio discussion here but let's do it without all the nonsense. If you want to throw some sarcasm out there the way I do then that's fine as long as it's done with offending anyone too bad.

 

[dawg4life]

Re: Columbus/Re: WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE RAP/HIP-HOP STATION IN COLUMBUS???????????????

Yes, Kevin HAS done a ton of research before...and not only in Columbus! He's a respected radio veteran, and doesn't come on a radio message board running his mouth about a subject he knows nothing about. It sounds like you are a very angry, bitter person who doesn't like to receive criticism on your knowledge-free posts. Like I said, if you don't like Power 107, flip on your iPod and pick your own music, or there's always both internet radio, and/or XM/Sirius. Otherwise, it is in poor taste to come on this board and insult a person with thirty-plus years of radio experience and tear him apart like he's a 13 year old that doesn't know what he's talking about.

It's almost 2010 and I'm sure most of us by now have an iPod or some kind of mp3 player. The technology of these devices are beyond comparison to our old school Sony Walkman's and we can now listen to a library of thousands songs and even videos at our discretion. But guess what? It's still not the same as radio. Sure I can probably afford to dish out another couple hundred a year for satellite radio but I don't for one reason and one reason only. It's a matter of principal.

We can have good quality local radio (again) that can even blow satellite radio away but unfortunately Columbus suffers from power tripping egotistical radio executives who only care about advertising and not the quality of the product they put on the air.

 

[V.Riley]

I had an MP3 player, but found it lacking as it was just music. Radio (at least with local personalities), seems to be what my soul craves. I'm not a fan of Satellite radio either, but I did slap down a few bucks for an HD radio, so here is hoping that the local Radio stations can come up with some unique programing on their HD signals. A repeat of there analog sticks is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for them to bring back some of the stations that we used to love. Just think, if you could bring back a station to the airwaves, what would it be? Would you listen if they brought it back on HD? If you didn't have an HD radio, would that make you want to buy one, just so you could listen to the type of Radio programing you enjoyed in earlier days?

Just a thought...

 

[dawg4life]

One caveat, though. Doing research doesn't help if you can't read it properly. And sometimes, that's happens. But, we get the research information from actual listeners. The panels are pre-screened. We know what stations those people listen to...and the questions are tailored to specific demographics and specific audiences. The listeners don't know they're talking to radio stations, either. I've worked at stations that did research and those that didn't. The ones who didn't were usually losers.

Please for the love of God, test me. Test someone who actually give's a sh*t like me. I'm not in the radio biz and highly doubt I'll ever be in the radio biz but I'm passionate about radio, I care. I wonder how many people you test that are actually passionate about radio? How many of those people you test actually care?

You know whats interesting that I've learned through out the years? A lot of people want you to make the decision for them. How many times do you ask your wife or girlfriend where she wants to go to dinner and how many time are you the one that ends up making the decision?

I own a tanning salon, that's my business. We have different tanning beds that do different things and some are more powerful than others. I give my customers a choice and guess what? Do you know how many time they ask me to choose a bed for them?

Let's look at this from a different point of view.

Unfortunately my team, the Cleveland Browns suck so bad that before the season is over that they just might end up being the worst football team in the history of the NFL. Now are you going to test a group of 100 random people and ask them how to fix the Browns or are you going to ask 100 qualified people who know a thing or two about football how to fix the team?

Call me skeptical but radio research in Columbus is complete bullsh*t.

 

[dj_kandre]

I agree 100,000%. Power 107-5 is almost unlistenable and it's a shame they have NO competition. I grew in NW Louisiana and was surrounded by great urban stations and i'm a huge fan of good urban radio (hip-hop as well as R&B and old school) I've been in Columbus on and off on a regular since @ 1992 and its been bad. I remember when I first came here Power 106.3 was an extremely weak signal from London, OH. and they played little to no hip-hop. Hot 105-Hot 107 played some but it was watered down suburban rap and the same pre-recorded mix shows every fri and sat night. when Power 1st moved to 107.5, it had come a long way and was a lot better music wise so were the DJ's and the deliver. i thought finally they're doing something here. still when i'd go home i'd here all sorts of music i never heard here being played was on station down there. sometimes 6 months later they'd play them here and most times they wouldn't. But since then 107.5 has gone downhill in my opinion and downhill big tyme. no competion really hurts. i travel often for work etc. and its past embarrassing when i get close enough to another cities urban station and how they sound compared to here. now i do understand Power 107 is now CHR-Rhy but still, they need to do much better. thats the format and music that I and most people I know listen to and they all feel the same way about it. We need something new and better. Z-103 had a horrible siganl and the presentation wasnt good at all but i did like the playlist a lot better than Power. I think a good urban station can play the current new as well as the old as well. thats how it always was growing up with. KMJJ, KDKS (and later KBTT) in Shreveport, K-104 and 100.3 Jamz in Dallas, Majic 102 (later 102 Jamz) and 97-9 tha Boxx in Houston all great stations that are still kicking today (even though some have gone Urban AC.) I'd love to have at leave one station here in Columbus with a good signal, good jocks (that actually interact with the listeners), a good rotation and for crying out loud a live mix show and from the looks of this board, i'm sure i'm not the only one. 8)

hell yeah my brother. i grow up in Columbus Georgia and (foxie 105.0 FM) back in the late 90's and early 2000's. they used to be a bi-part-ta-sin station where they would play east coast/west coast dirty south and Midwest mixed into one. and they would have a @#$%load of dj mix shows.

THE MOST COOLEST THANG IS....... THEY USE TO PLAY ARTISTS ALBUMS AND THEN GET THE PEOPLE REACTION ON HOW DEY FELT ABOUT IT! like they play Lil Kim's La Bella mafia album and the fans love it!

I Like the southern radio stations more because they seem to be independent and they get more creative control over there stations! and they support there local talent there. like i got my beat play on the radio station before. and this dude from school got on the radio too! and it was a weekly t.v. program decaited to local artists!

hecks yeah, that's the kind of stuff i remember too. i'm not sure why the stations down south are so much different and better than the ones here (maybe its a more vocal or present black community, who knows.) I do know my home town Sherveport has 4 urbans and they are all doing very well and sound great (KMJJ & KBTT are urban and KDKA & KVMA are urban AC) and that's not counting the gospel stations. I remember they had cable and local tv shows highlighting the latest and hottest music and they were ironically hosted by local personalities and dj from both competing stations.
When Russ Parr was at 100.3 Jamz in Dallas he had a TV show that aired there for several years (weekly i think) and i think it was one of the higher rated tv shows in the area.
what i miss even more is the mix shows live from the club! they had a station out of Houston, TX. KPTY Party 104.9 (then Party 93.3) and I'd listen them online when i got home on saturday nights cause they had a sweet mix show from the club that went on from 12a-4a (which was 5am here LOL)
sadly univision got rid of that station due to budget cuts. if univision can have a good hip-hop station like that that did compete well with heritage (i guess u can call it that since they've been around since 1991) 97-9 tha Boxx, why can't some company do a hip-hop/r&b urban in columbus and program it different then Power 107 and watch how it does.
competition works! one of the best competitions i remember (other than K-104 v. 100.3 Jamz in Dallas back in the 90's {man infinity dropped the ball big time on that one but that's another story LOL}) was in Monroe, LA. a small market (granted in NE Louisiana) but they had in the late 90's newcomer 100.1 da Beat came on to take on KYEA (K-98) 98.3. both were 50,000 watt signals and K-98 had been the sole urban FM outlet in the area for years 100.1 came outta no where. both did very well in the ratings and i remember Chris Collins the PD at 100.1 da Beat actually told me that they came on and programed against what K-98 did. they skewed toward women while the other skewed towards men but never the less, it worked for both of them and was great for the folks there back then as K-98 had to step up their game. they both had 10+ shares however after a few years the company that owned K-98 sold them and they went AC and still are today. eventually da Beat did get competition again from a start up station Party 103 but the tower was 30 mi. south of Monroe and didn't have the best signal but it lasted for years until the end of this past November when it went CHR (LOL)

 

[Nu_Roo_2]

One caveat, though. Doing research doesn't help if you can't read it properly. And sometimes, that's happens. But, we get the research information from actual listeners. The panels are pre-screened. We know what stations those people listen to...and the questions are tailored to specific demographics and specific audiences. The listeners don't know they're talking to radio stations, either. I've worked at stations that did research and those that didn't. The ones who didn't were usually losers.

Please for the love of God, test me. Test someone who actually give's a sh*t like me. I'm not in the radio biz and highly doubt I'll ever be in the radio biz but I'm passionate about radio, I care. I wonder how many people you test that are actually passionate about radio? How many of those people you test actually care?

You know whats interesting that I've learned through out the years? A lot of people want you to make the decision for them. How many times do you ask your wife or girlfriend where she wants to go to dinner and how many time are you the one that ends up making the decision?

I own a tanning salon, that's my business. We have different tanning beds that do different things and some are more powerful than others. I give my customers a choice and guess what? Do you know how many time they ask me to choose a bed for them?

Let's look at this from a different point of view.

Unfortunately my team, the Cleveland Browns suck so bad that before the season is over that they just might end up being the worst football team in the history of the NFL. Now are you going to test a group of 100 random people and ask them how to fix the Browns or are you going to ask 100 qualified people who know a thing or two about football how to fix the team?

Call me skeptical but radio research in Columbus is complete bullsh*t.

If One Who Knows literally meant that the research always comes from actual listeners regardless of the station or the goal, then, yes, there is a big problem with research here. If you're looking for a format hole or looking to pump up the cume (especially important for PPM), then talking only to actual listeners makes no sense whatsoever. For other purposes it can make lots of sense, although I've read many times about stations that greatly improved their performance when they stopped focusing on a too-narrowly-defined core in, say, music testing.

 

[almaniac27]

I kind of feel the OP's pain, but I just accept that radio will never play what I want to hear. I listen to all sorts of weird music, like 70s punk, indie rock, and alternative country and I guess I'm fine with the fact that radio doesn't play any of it. I know that my music tastes will never be commercially viable, but I can still hear it on my iPod and the internet whenever I want.

I think that people who prefer the radio experience over an mp3 player are probably more into entertainment than the music. I'm all about the music, so not hearing DJs blabber in between songs is just fine for me. Maybe that's what is at the heart of all this. People who aren't very serious music fans probably enjoy radio more, because they like the DJ patter and having someone else pick what music they hear. More serious music fans want to hear what they want to, not what someone else is playing, and most serious music fans I know are into more obscure music, because obscure music tends to be more interesting, while popular music tends to be simplistic.

 

[lovejamminoldies]

The Browns beat the Steelers last night - so maybe there is a chance for another hip-hop station!

 

[gabigley1]

Z103 barely got a 1 share with hip hop - they couldn't stick around because they weren't selling any advertising. Compared with the 7 share that Power got, Z-103 was "Z-who?" to the vast majority of Columbus listeners. Coupled with the fact that Percy Squire couldn't keep his hands out of programming, which was one of the main reasons that led to the station's downfall. Lawyers with no radio experience don't make good PD's. Had Percy listened to some of the people he was (at least for a while) giving a paycheck to (at least when they weren't bouncing), things might have been different.

I remember listening to Z103 six years ago, strictly ago out of curiosity. The weekend evening I listened to the
station, I heard all five of the FCC's banned dirty words. I thought I was listening to a Pirate radio station
at the time and not a FCC licensed station. In any case, I didn't expect the station/format to last very long
after hearing all the FCC's banned dirty words all in span of one evening.

 

[gabigley1]

Before this thread gets too out of hand, let's lay down some guidelines for the newbies.

We welcome all radio discussion here but let's do it without all the nonsense. If you want to throw some sarcasm out there the way I do then that's fine as long as it's done with offending anyone too bad.

The radio-info.com board editors seem to allow sarcasm that doesn't get out of hand and done in such a way as to not offend anyone too bad.

 

[datfireman]

Before this thread gets too out of hand, let's lay down some guidelines for the newbies.

datfireman, while most of us can appreciate your passion for better radio and to some extent even agree with part of your rants, please do it with some respect towards others.

Also while I do understand that these days that it seems to "b da shiznit yo" to use slang and short abbreviation for words as well as not capitalizing letters or writing complete sentences, I hope you do understand without trying to insult your intelligence that writing this way doesn't fly on internet boards unless you're only speaking to other 15 year olds who think it's cool to butcher the English language. So don't be surprised when someone makes you look like a fool for doing so.

We welcome all radio discussion here but let's do it without all the nonsense. If you want to throw some sarcasm out there the way I do then that's fine as long as it's done with offending anyone too bad.

okay i'm sorry i will take a chill pill. i'm sorry if i offended anyone and i will try to keep it as professional as possible

 

[datfireman]

Re: Columbus/Re: WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE RAP/HIP-HOP STATION IN COLUMBUS???????????????

I was on Cleveland Ave once and heard Z... but yes, it will never compete. I think 103 will stay Spanish or eventually become an empty frequency within years. Now, I do think on the right frequency, a fresh new station could work. Power is the ONLY station for Hip-Hop in Columbus unless listeners experiment and try to pick up HOT 1029... Power beats WNCI because WNCI sounds horrible. Kids don't wanna hear Rob Thomas and Lifehouse when they're listening to the radio at night.... yes, WNCI may daypart those out, but they don't daypart Lil Wayne in either. WNCI needs to face the fact that CHR isn't what it used to be. It's heavily rhythmic-controlled now.

Jammin:

There are 2 varieties of CHR. One is mainstream, the other rhythmic. WNCI is a mainstream CHR which leans a bit toward A/C in the daytime.

Both formats can work very well. It's all dependent upon market conditions as to which direction you do.

And the world doesn't revolve around "kids". Few commercial buys are purchased toward "kids".

Power is a much better station than Hot 102-9.

Power is a much better station than Hot 102-9

not to rude but how do you know that? and what does CHR mean? like in the country and rock market they have new rock aka alternative rock and they have classic rock aka soft rock. same with country jazz and other genres.

example: there are people who like nickel back, nine inch nails, talyor swift, toby mcgrawer, but there are another crowd who likes hotes and oats the beach boys and other classic hits! the old folks are gonna want to hear the music they grew up on. and the young folks are gonna want to hear new shit.

So Why can't the hip hop/rap fans who hate commerical rap, hip-pop or auto tune have a station. you know there are just as many people who hate Lil Wanye Gucci Mane Beyonce T-pain and Souljah boy. the same amount of people who like them also hate them.

basically...... there divided into two market places or fanbases of alternative country and classic country.
Alterive rock and classic rock. new RnB and classic soul. AND even got a gospel station!

like there can be 300 million people who like them and there are 100 million who hate them. the 100 million audience like's classic underground or flashback (2000-2005) rap/hip hop. SO what about the 100 million who
like
dr.dre,
too short,
wu tang,
biggie,
2pac,
common,
bone thugs,
2 live crew,
no limit soilders
krs ONE!

I'm Pretty sure there will be a huge fan base for it. C'mon man it's three decade's worth of hits.

I'll take this question -

Power has succeeded over the years because, like it or not, they've stayed true to their target audience. But that audience is not teenagers.

Kevin's right. Every one of those artists you mention do not test well with anyone...young, middle age, old.

Why can't there be a station that doesn't play "commercial" music? Simple. Commercial music brings listeners which brings the advertising money that keeps the station on the air. Without advertisers, you have no station. You get radio for free (but for the cost of the receiver) in return for hearing the commercials. That's the way it works. Music that only appeals to a smaller, more select audience or "niche" audience will not bring high enough ratings to support a large market radio station. Of course, one option might be to put that type of station on an HD-2 channel...buy an HD Radio, and there would be your station.

No offense to Hot 102-9, but if they were owned by a company that would put some money into it, they could be better than they are. If anything, their present owners have cut staff there to, perhaps support its other property seemingly higher in the food chain there, Fly 92-9. (Of course, it's just a computer with a PD and one staffer as well.) Oh, well, though...at least they don't try to pull the trick Radio One did when they owned them. Talking about "Radio One - celebrating 25 years of service to the community!", when they'd only owned the station for about 2 years!

By the way, don't feel too bad. The "old folks" (think people in their 50's and 60's) can't get a station they like, either.
Once you get past age 55, advertisers consider you dead, and not worthy of their advertising. So all of the oldies stations (which appeal to a large number of older people still) have all but dropped off the dial, too.

By the way, don't feel too bad. The "old folks" (think people in their 50's and 60's) can't get a station they like, either.


have you done any research on columbus radio station? How dare you insult my Intellgents!
CHECK THIS OUT


http://www.ontheradio.net/metro/Columbus_OH.aspx


THEN comeback.......... SIR, yes SIR! SHAME ON A *****! lol!
wait...... now ask yourself how many urban/hip-hop stations are there? and how many oldies and rock/country station are on there. my friend!






Every one of those artists you mention do not test well with anyone...young, middle age, old.

How stupid can you be???????????? not to be offensive. BUT SERIOUSLY................

if that was the case they wouldn't still be world wide celebrities. they still wouldn't be able to do shows and get anywhere from $1,000 a show to $2,000,000 a show. MC hammer is considered washed up by lil wanye and gucci mane $#@!riders and he stills does national wide and overseas touring. they might not be alica keys, lil wanye and jay-z status but they still have a descent marketable fan base!
and guess what....... the kids/teenage market loves the old school/underground hip hop/rnb scene

you say: How muther ------?

me: lists of songs that young crowd/commerical audience still likes...................

MC Hammer - can't touch this

sir-mix-a-lot - big butts

2 live crew - me so horny

Run-DMC ft/ Aerosmith : Walk This Way

Lox ft. DMX and Lil’ Kim : Money, Power, Respect (not well known but this song introduced the yung people to the phrase)


Summertime - DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince

will smith - men in black
fresh prince theme song

bad boy
and death row.

all of these both the new and the old audience like! perhap's the only way to settle this is if we have poll and let the fans on radio-info decide. do anybody know how to make a poll!

Yes, Kevin HAS done a ton of research before...and not only in Columbus! He's a respected radio veteran, and doesn't come on a radio message board running his mouth about a subject he knows nothing about. It sounds like you are a very angry, bitter person who doesn't like to receive criticism on your knowledge-free posts. Like I said, if you don't like Power 107, flip on your iPod and pick your own music, or there's always both internet radio, and/or XM/Sirius. Otherwise, it is in poor taste to come on this board and insult a person with thirty-plus years of radio experience and tear him apart like he's a 13 year old that doesn't know what he's talking about.

just like you told me where's your evidence proof or reasearch at? If this is true

 

[datfireman]

Columbus is supposed to be the "hip" city in Ohio. Columbus has by far the best club scene in Ohio. And to top it off, Columbus has the largest university in the nation.

I'm a 35 year old white successful business owner that grew up in Columbus and I've always enjoyed and listened to hip hop/dance music. I also enjoy Classic Hits, Classic Rock, Active Rock, Some alternative, Standards and even Big Band. I CAN'T STAND COUNTRY MUSIC although I'm quite aware of how many people around here that do.

That being said, I don't know who the hell you radio guys are getting your research information from and why the hell you keep wasting your money on them? And please, who are these people that you're testing to see what kind of song tests well or not? Regardless, the fact remains that in a metropolis the size of Columbus that has so much to offer for some reason has THE WORST RADIO STATIONS IN THE COUNTRY for a city of it's size.

I've traveled to so many different major cities across the USA and I swear to you that 9 out of 10 times I've always said I wish Columbus had a station like this or a station like that.

But the fact remains, the more we bitch, the more it stays the same.

Granted, Dawg - radio is in the ear of the beholder. I've heard some decent and sometimes great radio in Columbus...and some crap, too.

And, I'll even agree the formatic choices of some of the stations in the area just completely mystify me. (Why make a rimshot country, for instance...when the reason WCOL went country in the first place in 1995 was because Columbus radio listeners were tired of rimshots with their lousy signals doing country? That's why WCOL got as big as it did as fast as it did!)

But your criticism of research...let me tell you. It works. You may not believe it. But it works. Stations are in the business to make money. Just look at why Pulse 87 went away in New York to be replaced by a more mainstream party station. Pulse wasn't making enough money. And just read how the "pulse" fans in NYC bitch, whine and moan about the New York market.

One caveat, though. Doing research doesn't help if you can't read it properly. And sometimes, that's happens. But, we get the research information from actual listeners. The panels are pre-screened. We know what stations those people listen to...and the questions are tailored to specific demographics and specific audiences. The listeners don't know they're talking to radio stations, either. I've worked at stations that did research and those that didn't. The ones who didn't were usually losers.

THAT'S A JOKE! since ya think ya know so much then go to.........

http://mycolumbuspower.com/the-614/power1075/your-music-your-choice/

and find out! and you'll see this is not much of a panel. this only has one or two new songs and the rest are the same! and it doesn't have any new/old songs for the viewers to vote on. just because somebody's said there tired of a song doesn't mean crap! if they can't choose what song they want to hear. then this panel doesn't mean crap!

many many people in the columbus area said they try to request a song and they told them it's not in the regular rotation. and it happen on power 107.5 chat! where people was requesting song and dey were dined. TELL ME IF THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE THEN WHY WON'T THEY PLAY MUSIC THE MUSIC THE PEOPLE WANT IT HEAR. all this panel means is that you can vote on a scale of one to ten how you like that song. and are you tired of the song?

there are more than 60 songs and 40 artists that are popular on charts a month. so why are there only 10 songs and 10 artists been play. power 107.5 play 20 songs by 15 different artists a month. when there are like 60 popular songs by 40 popular artists a month! I find it very hard to believe that the average urban listeners like's every son if power 107.5 and your so called researching was a real panel it would let the listeners choose what song they want to listen too!



And sometimes, that's happens. But, we get the research information from actual listener (QOUTE)

feel free to explain or feel back it up with something more than a talk? show me a website, ratings or votes! show me the pre screening/ demographics/ audience approvals of this! you sound like a politicians i know my job is to do what's best for the country and i will listen and serve the people." and but messes everything up and doesn't listen to the people!

look this is the list of songs that power has play all year!


http://mycolumbuspower.com/music-playlist/

are you serious! 40 songs are all you play for 12 months!........... and again people have like 5,000 songs in there ipod! but you said 40 songs is what people want to listen too all day! surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeee...........................

 

[datfireman]

I agree 100,000%. Power 107-5 is almost unlistenable and it's a shame they have NO competition. I grew in NW Louisiana and was surrounded by great urban stations and i'm a huge fan of good urban radio (hip-hop as well as R&B and old school) I've been in Columbus on and off on a regular since @ 1992 and its been bad. I remember when I first came here Power 106.3 was an extremely weak signal from London, OH. and they played little to no hip-hop. Hot 105-Hot 107 played some but it was watered down suburban rap and the same pre-recorded mix shows every fri and sat night. when Power 1st moved to 107.5, it had come a long way and was a lot better music wise so were the DJ's and the deliver. i thought finally they're doing something here. still when i'd go home i'd here all sorts of music i never heard here being played was on station down there. sometimes 6 months later they'd play them here and most times they wouldn't. But since then 107.5 has gone downhill in my opinion and downhill big tyme. no competion really hurts. i travel often for work etc. and its past embarrassing when i get close enough to another cities urban station and how they sound compared to here. now i do understand Power 107 is now CHR-Rhy but still, they need to do much better. thats the format and music that I and most people I know listen to and they all feel the same way about it. We need something new and better. Z-103 had a horrible siganl and the presentation wasnt good at all but i did like the playlist a lot better than Power. I think a good urban station can play the current new as well as the old as well. thats how it always was growing up with. KMJJ, KDKS (and later KBTT) in Shreveport, K-104 and 100.3 Jamz in Dallas, Majic 102 (later 102 Jamz) and 97-9 tha Boxx in Houston all great stations that are still kicking today (even though some have gone Urban AC.) I'd love to have at leave one station here in Columbus with a good signal, good jocks (that actually interact with the listeners), a good rotation and for crying out loud a live mix show and from the looks of this board, i'm sure i'm not the only one. 8)

hell yeah my brother. i grow up in Columbus Georgia and (foxie 105.0 FM) back in the late 90's and early 2000's. they used to be a bi-part-ta-sin station where they would play east coast/west coast dirty south and Midwest mixed into one. and they would have a @#$%load of dj mix shows.

THE MOST COOLEST THANG IS....... THEY USE TO PLAY ARTISTS ALBUMS AND THEN GET THE PEOPLE REACTION ON HOW DEY FELT ABOUT IT! like they play Lil Kim's La Bella mafia album and the fans love it!

I Like the southern radio stations more because they seem to be independent and they get more creative control over there stations! and they support there local talent there. like i got my beat play on the radio station before. and this dude from school got on the radio too! and it was a weekly t.v. program decaited to local artists!

hecks yeah, that's the kind of stuff i remember too. i'm not sure why the stations down south are so much different and better than the ones here (maybe its a more vocal or present black community, who knows.) I do know my home town Sherveport has 4 urbans and they are all doing very well and sound great (KMJJ & KBTT are urban and KDKA & KVMA are urban AC) and that's not counting the gospel stations. I remember they had cable and local tv shows highlighting the latest and hottest music and they were ironically hosted by local personalities and dj from both competing stations.
When Russ Parr was at 100.3 Jamz in Dallas he had a TV show that aired there for several years (weekly i think) and i think it was one of the higher rated tv shows in the area.
what i miss even more is the mix shows live from the club! they had a station out of Houston, TX. KPTY Party 104.9 (then Party 93.3) and I'd listen them online when i got home on saturday nights cause they had a sweet mix show from the club that went on from 12a-4a (which was 5am here LOL)
sadly univision got rid of that station due to budget cuts. if univision can have a good hip-hop station like that that did compete well with heritage (i guess u can call it that since they've been around since 1991) 97-9 tha Boxx, why can't some company do a hip-hop/r&b urban in columbus and program it different then Power 107 and watch how it does.
competition works! one of the best competitions i remember (other than K-104 v. 100.3 Jamz in Dallas back in the 90's {man infinity dropped the ball big time on that one but that's another story LOL}) was in Monroe, LA. a small market (granted in NE Louisiana) but they had in the late 90's newcomer 100.1 da Beat came on to take on KYEA (K-98) 98.3. both were 50,000 watt signals and K-98 had been the sole urban FM outlet in the area for years 100.1 came outta no where. both did very well in the ratings and i remember Chris Collins the PD at 100.1 da Beat actually told me that they came on and programed against what K-98 did. they skewed toward women while the other skewed towards men but never the less, it worked for both of them and was great for the folks there back then as K-98 had to step up their game. they both had 10+ shares however after a few years the company that owned K-98 sold them and they went AC and still are today. eventually da Beat did get competition again from a start up station Party 103 but the tower was 30 mi. south of Monroe and didn't have the best signal but it lasted for years until the end of this past November when it went CHR (LOL)

OH MY GOD! that sounds just like how columbus georgia was man! i mean local artists were just as popular as the mainstream. like at a summer event called family day in the park. the crowd would cheer and know the words to every song more than they would the national artists! then that's when i realize that t.v. and radio promotion can do so much for a artists. and NOW I REALIZE WHY THE SOUTH IS STILL ON TOP OF THE MUSIC BUSINESS! people up here do not support there own or help there own. wether it be local business, stores, music, movies,actors, directors. people in columbus like to be brainless consumers and buyers! everybody will support the next big artists, movie, or foreign own business but will never support local people doing the same thing. and wonder why Ohio isn't on the map. and wonder why money and tourist aren't coming!

 

[dawg4life]

The Browns beat the Steelers last night - so maybe there is a chance for another hip-hop station!

I guess anything is possible. Of course I had to wait 6 or 7 years to see the Browns beat the Stoolers. :-\

 

[lovejamminoldies]

With Power being #1 in the city as Rhythmic, and with it being R1-owned, good luck seeing anything change.

 

[jakej]

You guys who are so passionate about your music should do what I did -- give up on Columbus commercial radio, realize that it's completely hopeless and clueless and always will be, and then contact WCRS at 447-0296 or through the Volunteer page on its website at www.wcrsfm.org and let them know that you are interested in producing and airing your own show on their station. There are people there who will help you to acquire equipment and then teach you how to use it, if you require that assistance. You will make absolutely no money doing your show, but if you love your music and you know that there are many other people out there who will love it, too, then those things should be reward enough.
Last night, the 125th episode of "Yesterday's Top Secrets" aired. I've been putting the shows together since October of last year, and I've loved every minute of it. When all of the other stations go silent and WCRS is the only thing that's left, I'll know that I had a lot to do with that.