Why not Make KRON 4 move its entire TV signal and Change Markets to Monterey!

[recto101]

I suggest that KRON move Channel 4 fron San Francisco and Monterey because if KNTV can change markets from Monterey ABC to San Francisco's NBC. Why not Make KRON move to Monterey and obtain an ABC Station.

 

[radioprince]

That's actually doesn't sound like a bad idea!!! They should do it! ;D

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

I suggest that KRON move Channel 4 fron San Francisco and Monterey because if KNTV can change markets from Monterey ABC to San Francisco's NBC. Why not Make KRON move to Monterey and obtain an ABC Station.

No way!

They would scream so loudly it wouldn't be funny. Talk about really devaluing a station right away. Young wouldn't appreciate it. They paid over 800 million KRON, it's probably worth 100 million now. If it was moved to the Monterey it would probably be worth less than 15 million. The market is small as it has around than 700,000 people.


KNTV was moved to the San Francisco DMA because it's LICENSED to San Jose which in fact is part of the San Francisco. When KNTV had their market reassigned in the 1960's it was because they were a little known station that couldn't compete in the Bay Area. ABC in fact paid, KNTV to carry ABC for the Monterey Bay market. It was a different world then. Cable TV only imported "Over the air" signals back then to areas with poor reception or lack of a variety of local channels.

I don't see any broadcaster moving their facility to a smaller market. Egads....It's like going to a bank with a 100 bill and and asking to echange it for a single roll of quarters.

 

[1069_KIFR]

That would be a fun story to report:
KRON was forced to move to Monterey! Although they wanted to stay put in San Francisco, they were 'made' by (the FCC?) to move their entire facilities, studios, equipment and personnel to the Monterey area and must broadcast from this region. This is the first time in the history of broadcasting that a station had to move because they are an independent station and people are still mad that they lost their NBC affiliation. So it seems that this is the best way to punish them. Forcing them to move into another broadcast area. Back to you...

 

[e-dawg]

Speaking of Kron, how much does Kron 4 makes a year?

I know that if they moved to Santa Cruz/Monterrey/Salinas area they probably wont make a lot of revenue due to the DMA's rankings.

 

[LKellerIII]

Speaking of Kron, how much does Kron 4 makes a year?

I know that if they moved to Santa Cruz/Monterrey/Salinas area they probably wont make a lot of revenue due to the DMA's rankings.

If by the word "make," you mean "profit" - the answer, of course, is in negative numbers to the tune of at least seven digits per year. KRON is not moving to Monterey. They wouldn't want to. As indicated above, the station would be worth even less than it is now, their revenue would go down, and they would still have the same enormous debt to service.

Also, as far as I know, ABC makes additional revenue by supplying KGO-TV to that market, which of course, they own. So if there's a reason they would want an affiliate in that market, I'm not aware of it.

 

[ding12]

Speaking of Kron, how much does Kron 4 makes a year?

I know that if they moved to Santa Cruz/Monterrey/Salinas area they probably wont make a lot of revenue due to the DMA's rankings.

If by the word "make," you mean "profit" - the answer, of course, is in negative numbers to the tune of at least seven digits per year. KRON is not moving to Monterey. They wouldn't want to. As indicated above, the station would be worth even less than it is now, their revenue would go down, and they would still have the same enormous debt to service.

Also, as far as I know, ABC makes additional revenue by supplying KGO-TV to that market, which of course, they own. So if there's a reason they would want an affiliate in that market, I'm not aware of it.

I think Disney/ABC would grant an affiliate in that market, only to Hearst/KSBW if Hearst made KSBW's primary signal the ABC affiliate.

If all Hearst is offering is subchannel status, or the other options are through unknown stations to the region, I agree Disney/ABC wouldn't want an affilaite and would rather just be the affiliate through KGO cable.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Speaking of Kron, how much does Kron 4 makes a year?

I know that if they moved to Santa Cruz/Monterrey/Salinas area they probably wont make a lot of revenue due to the DMA's rankings.

If by the word "make," you mean "profit" - the answer, of course, is in negative numbers to the tune of at least seven digits per year. KRON is not moving to Monterey. They wouldn't want to. As indicated above, the station would be worth even less than it is now, their revenue would go down, and they would still have the same enormous debt to service.

Also, as far as I know, ABC makes additional revenue by supplying KGO-TV to that market, which of course, they own. So if there's a reason they would want an affiliate in that market, I'm not aware of it.

I think Disney/ABC would grant an affiliate in that market, only to Hearst/KSBW if Hearst made KSBW's primary signal the ABC affiliate.

If all Hearst is offering is subchannel status, or the other options are through unknown stations to the region, I agree Disney/ABC wouldn't want an affilaite and would rather just be the affiliate through KGO cable.

Interesting point. Given the state of NBC right now and depending where KSBW and the NBC contract is sitting it could be an interesting point. ABC does lose a few viewers to OTA homes. In El Centro/Yuma, ABC is on KECY-DT2. In Palm Springs, CBS is on a Class A Low Power) television station.

Here's a possible idea....KSBW picks up ABC for the main channel and moves NBC to DT2. In exchange, Comcast would possible pay KSBW for carriage. Hearst would end up controlling ABC and NBC in the market and with cable penetration being what it is, would give them two prime cable channels.

It seems that ABC-7 Monterey Bay Cable edition is being done in a half-ass way. From what I have heard, it is considered a mediocre performer.

 

[DaveBayArea]

I always wondered why ABC-7 doesn't put up a translator or single-frequency-network booster on Loma Prieta to cover down there. Or even Mt. Diablo to cover the east-bay. It's still within their coverage area according to the FCC:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1312059.html

Dave B.

 

[DaveBayArea]

I always wondered why ABC-7 doesn't put up a translator or single-frequency-network booster on Loma Prieta to cover down there. Or even Mt. Diablo to cover the east-bay. It's still within their coverage area according to the FCC:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1312059.html

Dave B.

I spoke too soon. They already applied for one - but it's on Monument... Hmmm...

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=LD1329805.html

Dave B.

 

[JackBauer112]

Speaking of Kron, how much does Kron 4 makes a year?

I know that if they moved to Santa Cruz/Monterrey/Salinas area they probably wont make a lot of revenue due to the DMA's rankings.

If by the word "make," you mean "profit" - the answer, of course, is in negative numbers to the tune of at least seven digits per year. KRON is not moving to Monterey. They wouldn't want to. As indicated above, the station would be worth even less than it is now, their revenue would go down, and they would still have the same enormous debt to service.

Also, as far as I know, ABC makes additional revenue by supplying KGO-TV to that market, which of course, they own. So if there's a reason they would want an affiliate in that market, I'm not aware of it.

I think Disney/ABC would grant an affiliate in that market, only to Hearst/KSBW if Hearst made KSBW's primary signal the ABC affiliate.

If all Hearst is offering is subchannel status, or the other options are through unknown stations to the region, I agree Disney/ABC wouldn't want an affilaite and would rather just be the affiliate through KGO cable.

Interesting point. Given the state of NBC right now and depending where KSBW and the NBC contract is sitting it could be an interesting point. ABC does lose a few viewers to OTA homes. In El Centro/Yuma, ABC is on KECY-DT2. In Palm Springs, CBS is on a Class A Low Power) television station.

Here's a possible idea....KSBW picks up ABC for the main channel and moves NBC to DT2. In exchange, Comcast would possible pay KSBW for carriage. Hearst would end up controlling ABC and NBC in the market and with cable penetration being what it is, would give them two prime cable channels.

It seems that ABC-7 Monterey Bay Cable edition is being done in a half-ass way. From what I have heard, it is considered a mediocre performer.

It would be similar to how McKinnon's KBMT's carriage of ABC/NBC is in SouthEast Texas since KBTV the previous NBC station now FOX moved NBC to KBMT 12's 2ndary signal channel. I think with Hearst owning a large # of ABC stations and NBC's too, KSBW would be only the 2nd station to carry a dual NBC/ABC affiliation since it would benefit from Hearst to own a NBC/ABC affiliate role. I think it would help the company since Herast makes a whole lot of money with their TV stations and many if not all of them remain #1 in their respective markets.

 

[kenrayc]

I always wondered why ABC-7 doesn't put up a translator or single-frequency-network booster on Loma Prieta to cover down there. Or even Mt. Diablo to cover the east-bay. It's still within their coverage area according to the FCC:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1312059.html

Dave B.

I think a better site for a translator would be Fremont Peak where KSBW is, or at the site of KION 46, they should try to get a full power signal down there as well, and carry different syndicated programming where now some is blacked out on Cable 7 due to the syndex rule.

 

[kenrayc]

I always wondered why ABC-7 doesn't put up a translator or single-frequency-network booster on Loma Prieta to cover down there. Or even Mt. Diablo to cover the east-bay. It's still within their coverage area according to the FCC:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1312059.html

Dave B.

I think a better site for a translator would be Fremont Peak where KSBW is, or at the site of KION 46, they should try to get a full power signal down there as well, and carry different syndicated programming where now some is blacked out on Cable 7 due to the syndex rule.

To add to this ,it would be like back in the 70s when KSBY 6 from SLO carried all of KSBW 8 programming when they called it the Gold Coast TV Network, but later in that decade KCOY 12 and KEYT 3 started carrying some of the same syndicated programming as KSBW, I believe "Donahue" was the first, and KSBY had to start running alternative programming.

 

[kenrayc]

I have to add to my previous post that in the 70s with our antenna I recieved both KSBW and KSBY when I was a kid, remembering the Gold Coast TV Network, all programming the same, with their local separate spots and separate newscast. Back then KNTV 11 and KCOY CBS 12 came in as well from the coast, plus Sacramento VHF and Bakersfield. The antenna had a rotor of course, and on certain times pointed South, picked up KCBS,KNBC, KTLA, KABC, KTTV,KHJ, and KCOP from LA. Antenna pointed N/W have seen KHSL 12 from Chico, KTVU, KRON, KPIX, KGO, and KQED, on a couple rare times i got KTXL 40, KMUV 31, KMST 46 and KFTY 50.the Antenna was at 40 ft and was the biggest Radio-shack had at the time. never was able to see the other Bay area UHF stations though.This is from Clovis.

 

[ding12]

Interesting point. Given the state of NBC right now and depending where KSBW and the NBC contract is sitting it could be an interesting point. ABC does lose a few viewers to OTA homes. In El Centro/Yuma, ABC is on KECY-DT2. In Palm Springs, CBS is on a Class A Low Power) television station.

Here's a possible idea....KSBW picks up ABC for the main channel and moves NBC to DT2. In exchange, Comcast would possible pay KSBW for carriage. Hearst would end up controlling ABC and NBC in the market and with cable penetration being what it is, would give them two prime cable channels.

It seems that ABC-7 Monterey Bay Cable edition is being done in a half-ass way. From what I have heard, it is considered a mediocre performer.

What could happen is like you pointed, KSBW picks up ABC for the main channel, and the switch is made. Disney ABC benefit moving to the strong station in the market, and having a real OTA HD primary station out there. Hearst anyways is more aligned with Disney, more affiliates, and more JVs (ESPN, Lifetime, etc.) with them. Right now, though they don't want to can NBC affiliations, as just to keep the portfolio diversed.

However, for NBC...
Dependent on what the FCC/DOJ think of Comcast owning say KNTV and WCAU and operating the cable systems, if that clears without issues, then Comcast could just be the supplier of NBC programming for the Monterey market as well, and other small markets where they own the cable system. To keep a token of OTA presence, Comcast buys a LP station and broadcasts the station there as well. Station has little to no news, or rebroadcasts KNTV news. Much like what Univision does.

Then if DirecTV or Dish want to carry NBC, they deal with Comcast-Universal and not a middle operator who would otherwise collect the retrans revenue.

 

[Sammi Brie]

Interesting point. Given the state of NBC right now and depending where KSBW and the NBC contract is sitting it could be an interesting point. ABC does lose a few viewers to OTA homes. In El Centro/Yuma, ABC is on KECY-DT2. In Palm Springs, CBS is on a Class A Low Power) television station.

Here's a possible idea....KSBW picks up ABC for the main channel and moves NBC to DT2. In exchange, Comcast would possible pay KSBW for carriage. Hearst would end up controlling ABC and NBC in the market and with cable penetration being what it is, would give them two prime cable channels.

It seems that ABC-7 Monterey Bay Cable edition is being done in a half-ass way. From what I have heard, it is considered a mediocre performer.

What could happen is like you pointed, KSBW picks up ABC for the main channel, and the switch is made. Disney ABC benefit moving to the strong station in the market, and having a real OTA HD primary station out there. Hearst anyways is more aligned with Disney, more affiliates, and more JVs (ESPN, Lifetime, etc.) with them. Right now, though they don't want to can NBC affiliations, as just to keep the portfolio diversed.

However, for NBC...
Dependent on what the FCC/DOJ think of Comcast owning say KNTV and WCAU and operating the cable systems, if that clears without issues, then Comcast could just be the supplier of NBC programming for the Monterey market as well, and other small markets where they own the cable system. To keep a token of OTA presence, Comcast buys a LP station and broadcasts the station there as well. Station has little to no news, or rebroadcasts KNTV news. Much like what Univision does.

Then if DirecTV or Dish want to carry NBC, they deal with Comcast-Universal and not a middle operator who would otherwise collect the retrans revenue.

Hearst has ten NBC affiliates and twelve ABC affiliates (plus two CBS affiliates). So it wouldn't be a major change to switch networks, though it would anger NBC for sure.