Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lights.

[MediaBoy4Radio]

1.) My compliments to the "brains" at NBC for getting so much media coverage of their failed attempt to re shape prime time.

2.) This mess at NBC started back with the peacock net's disgusting treatment of Johnny Carson......the hiring of Jay boy for Tonight and Letterman's move to CBS.
Maybe this current mess is Carson's curse.

3.) If anyone needs to go its Fallon.....who is inept at best. ( Does he get coached on how to deliver a joke before every show?) Jimmy go back to SNL.

4.)Bradon forgive them......they really don' t know what they are doing.

5.) If the ratings really get low enough they can just move whatever properties are still viable to NBC cable.
This comment would really be stupid ....but oh my the new owner is Comcast.....

6.) ok....Place your bets now.....which network will be the first to leave broadcast TV......no I don't mean DuMont........NBC is my contender for this honor................

7.)It really doesn't matter what they do with Jay......he is standing on the deck of the Titanic.

8.) How about bringing back
Supertrain

9.Quick....produce Leno in 3d......and watch out for his chin.

 

[Markxxx]

Re: Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lig

But this is TV for you. A few years ago people on the board were saying similar things about ABC, then along came "Desperate Housewives," and brought it back.

All NBC needs is one "Cosby" to bring it back. Although in the late 70s, NBC was in better shape, simply because they had Johnny Carson and Gary Coleman. Carson was responsible for 25% of NBC's profits back then and Colman's show and specials brought in another 10%.

The really interesting part will be when Comcast takes over and how they will change it, or if at all.

 

[Irishfl]

Not sure I agree on nbc just needs a Cosby. The big difference between NBC now, and NBC of the early 80's, is early 80's nbc was very strong programing wise. They just had no viewers. At that time all they needed was one hit show, and Cosby gave it to them. Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere, Cheers, Night Court, Diff'rent Strokes, Real People, The Facts of Life, Gimme a Break!, Silver Spoons, Miami Vice, Knight Rider, family ties, Little House on the Prairie, Remington Steele, The A-Team All shows that aired in the 1983 fall / 1984 winter seasons. Yet most did poorly ratings wise.

Cheers and family ties were 2 shows for example at the bottom of ratings (I think cheers finished dead last of all shows in its first season), but both became hits of their own as a result of the cosby show. You look at nbc of 1983/84 season, and nbc of 1985/86 season, and there wern't that many programing differences. Yet 83/84 NBC was dead last, while 85/86 nbc was 1st.

Now nbc of today however isn't really strong programing wise. It has some shows that would be hits. 30rock, and the office already do well, although in the case of the office I think that shows run is coming to an end. Anyway, what else does nbc have that could be a rating smash hit?

Anyway I do agree nbc can come back, but they need a few

 

[kenrayc]

Not sure I agree on nbc just needs a Cosby. The big difference between NBC now, and NBC of the early 80's, is early 80's nbc was very strong programing wise. They just had no viewers. At that time all they needed was one hit show, and Cosby gave it to them. Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere, Cheers, Night Court, Diff'rent Strokes, Real People, The Facts of Life, Gimme a Break!, Silver Spoons, Miami Vice, Knight Rider, family ties, Little House on the Prairie, Remington Steele, The A-Team All shows that aired in the 1983 fall / 1984 winter seasons. Yet most did poorly ratings wise.

Cheers and family ties were 2 shows for example at the bottom of ratings (I think cheers finished dead last of all shows in its first season), but both became hits of their own as a result of the cosby show. You look at nbc of 1983/84 season, and nbc of 1985/86 season, and there wern't that many programing differences. Yet 83/84 NBC was dead last, while 85/86 nbc was 1st.

Now nbc of today however isn't really strong programing wise. It has some shows that would be hits. 30rock, and the office already do well, although in the case of the office I think that shows run is coming to an end. Anyway, what else does nbc have that could be a rating smash hit?

Anyway I do agree nbc can come back, but they need a few

In the 90s there was Friends, Sienfeld, Fraser, ER, Mad about you, and a few I can't remember from MUST SEE THURSDAY.

 

[benwolf]

This isn't one of those "what till its their turn" cases. Years ago NBC first lost its sense of good programming and aired tons of turkeys. Then they just decided to run cheap, announcing years ago they would concentrate on reality programming. When CBS was in a 3rd place situation years ago, they spent big, got Bruckheimer on board and took #1, and they've been #1 prime time for 6-7 years. You spend money to make money. I don't see NBC ever coming back...they don't want to come back. They just want to play cheap, seeing value in a 1.5 rating for Leno because production costs are cheaper. And no, "The Office" and "30 Rock" do not do well...usually rated 3rd in their time slots, or worse.

 

[Robnoxious]

Nothing But Crap.

Jeff Zucker was the iceberg that finally sunk the S.S. NBC Titanic.

How does that Hoover vacuum of coke and intelligent business ideas continue to be allowed to sink a network almost singlehandedly without resistance? NBC and Comcast and Citadel should merge and absorb every lame business idea into a blackhole of stupidity of sorts. At least keep them all in one place so it won't hurt others.

 

[dustintv]

Curse of Carson? If anything Carson was a curse himself towards, being hostile to people like Joan Rivers among others for no particularly good reason.

Jeff Zucker is a pox on NBC. I remember reading not too long ago Jack Welch former head of GE saying he wished he had fired Zucker when he had the chance to.

 

[quadraphonic]

I can think of a few good reasons to be hostile to Joan Rivers, and I don't even know her. ;D

 

[radiotower40]

Re: Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lig

Curse of Carson? If anything Carson was a curse himself towards, being hostile to people like Joan Rivers among others for no particularly good reason.

Jeff Zucker is a pox on NBC. I remember reading not too long ago Jack Welch former head of GE saying he wished he had fired Zucker when he had the chance to.

I may be interpreting your post wrong, but, I believe that Joan chose to leave Carson's show to host her own show
on Fox. From what I recall she was doing the Tonight Show one night a week, and she was the one to sever the ties with
Johnny and NBC, to go to Fox to host her own show every night. That show did not last long.

She had a lot of fans before she did this, once she did this, she all but lost any Carson fan's, as they saw what she did
as a betrayal to Carson. She had the right to pursue her own success, and she would probably make a different decision,
if she was given a second chance. The reality is however, she took the risk to think she could beat Carson, and that cost
her dearly. Carson was one of a kind, his fans were loyal.

We all know his audience was aging, and he was going to have to pass the torch, whether it was to Leno, Letterman or
Rivers. She had a chance at getting it, yet, she chose to go to Fox. As sad as the situation is now at NBC, the Rivers
situation was of her own doing.

 

[bpatrick]

Re: Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lig

I'm almost salivating at the thought of all the stations
ABC and CBS (and even Fox) stand to pick up as affiliates
in their weaker markets if NBC ceases to be a broadcast network.

In my part of the country alone I don't rule out the following
possibilities:

WXII/12 Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point gets ABC from WXLV/45

WITN/7 Greenville/New Bern/Washington gets ABC from WCTI/12

WECT/6 Wilmington, NC gets CBS from WILM-LP/10

WIS/10 Columbia, SC gets ABC from WOLO/25

WCBD/2 Charleston, SC gets Fox from WTAT/24 (Allbritton and ABC are
locked in on WCIV/4 and CBS isn't giving up WCSC/5)

WSLS/10 Roanoke, VA gets Fox from WFXR/27 (again, Allbritton and ABC
are locked in on WSET/13 and CBS isn't giving up WDBJ/7)

WCYB/5 Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City gets ABC from WKPT/19

and the ones I'd most like to see:

WXIA/11 Alive gets CBS from WGCL/46

WESH/2 Daytona Beach/Orlando gets CBS from WKMG/6

WTLV/12 Jacksonville gets either ABC or CBS (CBS would be the safer
bet since the station has been ABC once before and went back to NBC)

Will any of these happen? Maybe not, but I can dream, can't I?

 

[Tim-In-Houston]

Re: Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lig

Will any of these happen? Maybe not, but I can dream, can't I?

I could see some, but not all, of your suppositions. In the case of WTLV-Jacksonville, at the very least, they already own the ABC in the market (WJXX-25) and I doubt Newport-TV would give up CBS easily. In fact, I don't see any station group owners giving up their affiliation without a fight.

 

[tripinva]

Re: Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lig

Will any of these happen? Maybe not, but I can dream, can't I?

If NBC ever goes cable-only, we'll have to take into account the marketplace at the time. If Mobile DTV becomes a big deal, some of the stations you listed have awful signals for that and networks may not want to jump to an affiliate without a signal that will do well on Mobile. Specifically WCYB on channel 5, that signal will not work as I don't think Mobile DTV receivers even tune to low-VHF. Meanwhile, stations on your list like WIS, WXIA, WESH, and WTLV all have upper-VHF signals which don't do as well as UHF signals with regard to Mobile DTV.

In some places, the station could relocate to UHF, but in other places, it's not feasible.

- Trip

 

[bpatrick]

Re: Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lig

By what you're saying WESH wouldn't work either, since it's
on Channel 2, which is even lower than WCYB, nor would WXII
on Channel 12. So how would a mid-range VHF like WITN (Channel
7) fare, or a UHF like WLEX Channel 18 in Lexington, KY?

 

[KERCAlum]

Might note that, several months ago, KJAC (now KBTV) in Beaumont, TX, flipped to Fox from NBC - which now airs as KBMT (ABC)'s 12.2 subchannel. I bet in a lot of smaller markets you'll be seeing this eventually, or marketing agreements that have either a CBS or ABC affiliate running the NBC shop (as in Abilene, TX). I don't think the National Broadcasting Company is long for this world. A Cosby-type hit isn't going to help them at this point - they had that with "The Office."

As it stands now, I probably watch our local NBC affiliate a grand total of about 62 hours a year (an average of 3.5 hrs for each Sunday Night Football game - not the pre-game - and about six hours for the Wild Card Saturday). I stopped watching KXAS/5's news when NBC lobotomized them. Shame, too, such a proud history as the first TV station in the Southwest in 1948 (as WBAP-TV).

 

[MarcB]

I watch my NBC station for The Biggest Loser and that's it, except for when my Giants have the Sunday Night Game. For news I watch my CBS station Channel 3.

 

[thenewageriseth]

Has anyone noticed the lack of Christmas programming on NBC last month? If I remember correctly, they had more X-mas programming when I was much younger (my adolescent and teen years). :-\

 

[vchimpanzee]

Re: Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lig

By what you're saying WESH wouldn't work either, since it's
on Channel 2, which is even lower than WCYB, nor would WXII
on Channel 12. So how would a mid-range VHF like WITN (Channel
7) fare, or a UHF like WLEX Channel 18 in Lexington, KY?

WXII is on channel 31, and WITN is on channel 32.

 

[mjlarochelle]

I still prefer NBC over ABC. ABC seems to be all reality shows and Desperate Housewives in primetime. I can't remember the last time I even watched ABC, other than for sports. At least NBC has Law & Order and Law & Order: SVU.

 

[jal41]

Jeff Zucker is a pox on NBC. I remember reading not too long ago Jack Welch former head of GE saying he wished he had fired Zucker when he had the chance to.

Apparently, a lot of people are calling for Zucker's head:

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/ar...44/Media_folks_on_Leno_fiasco_Fire_Zucker.asp

My favorite quote

"The Jay Leno situation only confirms the ineptness of Jeff Zucker's holy terror reign at NBC. Comcast executives have to know they were sold defective goods. Zucker's contract will be bought up sooner rather than later. And maybe his old boss Katie Couric will give him a job fetching coffee and running her errands."

Maybe Comcast can ask for their money back.

 

[cowboybud]

Re: Will the last peson to watch NBC please turn off the TV and turn off the lig

Has anyone noticed the lack of Christmas programming on NBC last month? If I remember correctly, they had more X-mas programming when I was much younger (my adolescent and teen years). :-\

Other than "It's A Wonderful Life", nada.