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WiMax the best way for broadcasters to get their (HD) programming into cars?
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Wow, what a puff piece. A lot of inaccuracy in it also. Wimax will rolll out this year? It already has in places. I doubt they're claiming it will be everywhere this year.SUPERCASTER said:
And talk about a "not well thought out" idea. I see someone thought what I did when they read about the "Electronic Modules software update". How long before the database gets compromised and something like the Melissa virus shuts down fuel flow and then disables remote updates?
WiMax is available in limited areas now. http://www.clearwire.com . It works OK.
As of now, there is just basically no coverage, nationally.
Great alternative...
Clouseau
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Mike Walker
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"Wi-Max"...a technology for which national infrastructure simply doesn't exist, as the "best way to get HD programming into cars"...programming that's available on a national infrastructure that DOES exist, is growing, and for which many different models of radio are available NOW?
I know, let's replace lunch, with an idea of "better lunch".
I know, let's replace lunch, with an idea of "better lunch".
KB1OKL said:
Wake me when the infrustructure exists. When it does there will be nothing to DX any longer because all of those old transmitters will cease to broadcast. Enjoy DXing noise on the AM BCB.
R.F. Burns said:
I am not trying to say that radio is going to be over, just that IBOC is not the answer, I love radio and have for many many years and not just as a DXer. I just hope radio starts putting money back into programming and it becomes more local again. HD is the wrong direction, all that money spent for nothing, if they put that money into hiring talented people instead of firing them radio would be in much better shape than it is.
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LinoNYC
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KB1OKL said:
KB1OKL said:
Here is an interesting related post from another subject on this board:
Link:
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,92330.msg705424.html#msg705424
clouseau said:Wow, what a puff piece. A lot of inaccuracy in it also. Wimax will rolll out this year? It already has in places. I doubt they're claiming it will be everywhere this year.SUPERCASTER said:
And talk about a "not well thought out" idea. I see someone thought what I did when they read about the "Electronic Modules software update". How long before the database gets compromised and something like the Melissa virus shuts down fuel flow and then disables remote updates?
WiMax is available in limited areas now. http://www.clearwire.com . It works OK.
As of now, there is just basically no coverage, nationally.
Great alternative...
Clouseau
"...Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles will be getting WiMax connectivity over the next few years..."
Even before the WIMAX infrastructure is built-out, Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep commits to the technology. Please tells us about Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep's commitment to IBOC.
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Mike Walker
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VSA they're merely saying "it's a good idea". It IS a good idea. To paraphrase RF, wake me WHEN IT FREAKING EXISTS! Every technology will eventually be replaced by a shiny new one. But the new technology (and infrastructure which supports it), MUST FIRST FREAKIN' EXIST!
vsa said:
This is exactly the sort of 'vote of confidence' that the Alliance had hoped to get from auto companies at the start of the great HD roll-out (such as it is)......but didn't.
To me, Chryler's decision is even more impressive in light of the economic recession we've just entered.
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Mike Walker
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"Decision"? What "decision"? There is NO infrastructure, and no freakin' PRODUCT! HD has already accomplished something that Wi-Max hasn't. It's in cars NOW! Not a huge percentage, but some, as opposed to NONE for wi-max!
Again, Wi-MAX is a good idea. If only it EXISTED!
Again, Wi-MAX is a good idea. If only it EXISTED!
I manage a fairly busy tower site in the western suburbs of Philadelphia. Our tenants include all of the major cellular/PCS carriers, and I can assure you that at least one of these companies is in a big rush to build out its WiMax network.
I don't expect to see much activity in rural areas for a while -- but in major markets, WiMax will be up and running within the next couple of years.
I don't expect to see much activity in rural areas for a while -- but in major markets, WiMax will be up and running within the next couple of years.
Play Freebird said:
And what will the cost be? If the economy continues on its present course no one is going to go for another monthly bill. That's why XM & Sirius need a merger or they will go under.
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Mike Walker
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You're only reinforcing my point, Freebird. Perhaps at some point in the not too distant futre Wi-Max "will be", or "can be". But now it just DOESN'T "be". It exists only in theory. And there have been some significant setbacks...with companies that were planning to do "Wi-Max" on a wide scale dropping those plans because it's too expensive.
And then there's the matter, as RF pointed out, of another monthly expense. Free media ALWAYS trumps paid media in sheer number of warm bodies reached!
And then there's the matter, as RF pointed out, of another monthly expense. Free media ALWAYS trumps paid media in sheer number of warm bodies reached!
Mike Walker said:
Sprint/Nextel has said their price target is around $40/month or less. The service will be fast enough and cheap enough to replace your current wired service - plus it can replace your CELL PHONE SERVICE TOO! Sprint is building their WIMAX network right now and will roll it out in stages this year and next. He who waits for everything to first be in place arrives at a packed theatre after the best seats are all taken.
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Mike Walker
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"40 dollars a month, or less", and the primary use for Wi-Max in cars is...RADIO? And THIS is going to be the "death" of HD, which is FREE, or satellite which is 12.99 a month? Get freakin' real!
The "target" price of cable tv, back when it was called "community antenna" was about 5-10 bucks a month. How's that workin' out for ya'?
The "target" price of cable tv, back when it was called "community antenna" was about 5-10 bucks a month. How's that workin' out for ya'?
It is fair to assume that HD is just an interim step to the "real" digital delivery system. I don’t see as it having a long shelf life. I know some of you will disagree.
I'm not sure where we are ultimately going, but in the foreseeable future, I believe it is going to be more like Wi-Max than not. Radio as we know it gets to hitch along for the ride if broadcasters are willing to do so. The smart ones will.
For those with good idea about where technology is headed, adopting a stop-gap measure like HD seems like an unsound investment. That is especially true for smaller broadcasters who need to do it right the first time. Worse yet, the real problem with the HD version of the stop-gap measure is that it has the potential to seriously damage the existing technology which has served us quite well. You don’t want the cure to be worse than the problem you are trying to solve. Without caution, it could render the industry as we know it to be ‘irrelevant,” before it has a chance to adapt to newer and more exciting means of delivery.
As for the monthly expense issue, that is more important to an older audience than it is to the desired younger generation. Most of us grew up in an era where radio and TV were free. Today’s kids are conditioned to paying for content. Not very many would ever consider being without cable or satellite TV, cell phones, text messaging and some kind of Internet services. In case you haven’t noticed, these are all pay services. They don’t know anything else, so their expectations are different. On the other hand, my Mother-in law is unlikely to pay for Wi-max. Cable TV is a big stretch for her.
W-Max or versions of it will be popular because of the other things it can offer. It is a product that people clearly want, and they will pay for it. If broadcasters are smart, they will embrace the technology, rather than fight it. I am certainly not predicting broadcasting's demise, but I suspect that in five years, the landscape will look a lot different than it does to day.
Not looking forward far enough is one of the reasons radio is in the state it is today. Far too many stations have been run on the “greater fool theory.” Go for a quick profit by slashing and burning, and then spin off the parts of what remains for more than you paid for it. That works for a while, but eventually, someone gets to pay the piper.
I'm not sure where we are ultimately going, but in the foreseeable future, I believe it is going to be more like Wi-Max than not. Radio as we know it gets to hitch along for the ride if broadcasters are willing to do so. The smart ones will.
For those with good idea about where technology is headed, adopting a stop-gap measure like HD seems like an unsound investment. That is especially true for smaller broadcasters who need to do it right the first time. Worse yet, the real problem with the HD version of the stop-gap measure is that it has the potential to seriously damage the existing technology which has served us quite well. You don’t want the cure to be worse than the problem you are trying to solve. Without caution, it could render the industry as we know it to be ‘irrelevant,” before it has a chance to adapt to newer and more exciting means of delivery.
As for the monthly expense issue, that is more important to an older audience than it is to the desired younger generation. Most of us grew up in an era where radio and TV were free. Today’s kids are conditioned to paying for content. Not very many would ever consider being without cable or satellite TV, cell phones, text messaging and some kind of Internet services. In case you haven’t noticed, these are all pay services. They don’t know anything else, so their expectations are different. On the other hand, my Mother-in law is unlikely to pay for Wi-max. Cable TV is a big stretch for her.
W-Max or versions of it will be popular because of the other things it can offer. It is a product that people clearly want, and they will pay for it. If broadcasters are smart, they will embrace the technology, rather than fight it. I am certainly not predicting broadcasting's demise, but I suspect that in five years, the landscape will look a lot different than it does to day.
Not looking forward far enough is one of the reasons radio is in the state it is today. Far too many stations have been run on the “greater fool theory.” Go for a quick profit by slashing and burning, and then spin off the parts of what remains for more than you paid for it. That works for a while, but eventually, someone gets to pay the piper.
Mike Walker said:
Back when it was called "community antenna," you could buy lunch for under a dollar. Now it is nearly $10.00. Gas was 30 cents a gallon, now it is $3.00. A modest car was $2500.00. Now it is $25,000.00.
Today's dollar is worth about ten cents in terms of what it would buy in the 1960's. That $5-10 for cable translates to $50 to $100 in today's dollar. The first cable I saw had 12 channels, including one with a camera that panned back and forth over a thermometer, barometer and a clock. Occasionally a ****-roach would crawl into the "set" and become a TV star. Compare that with what Wi-Max offers and I'd say today's technology is quite a bargain. It will sell at the $50 per month price.
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dbdigital
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It's becoming ever clearer where WiMax is going...to the 700MHz spectrum. This will give the technology amazing range and penetrability (something which HD Radio lacks).
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/02/12/wimax.on.700mhz.spectrum/
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http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/02/12/wimax.on.700mhz.spectrum/
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