Interesting/disturbing/humorous thread over at the Illinois Airwaves board about the station:
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WYNG to drop ESPN Radio Monday, ESPN moves to WYFX
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TriStateRadio
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OMG!! ;D
Withers is a big whig in the NAB right? how is that possible? must have more money than sense?
What time is that country show on the air? I've got to hear this....
Withers is a big whig in the NAB right? how is that possible? must have more money than sense?
What time is that country show on the air? I've got to hear this....
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TriStateRadio
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??? I listened Saturday morning. What a train wreck. I know it was with a remote broadcast and the like, but is that the tinny singing they have every Saturday morning? How does that blend with the format the rest of the week. It appears to me that 94.9, as an entity, would have been better served to stay ESPN radio and go for other repeaters, etc. More saleable?
Still don't understand, but hey, what do I know - maybe it makes sense if the dollars are there...
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TriStateRadio said:
Old man Withers is a idiot!
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radiogeek40208
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TriStateRadio said:
If he did it right, it might actually do something.. if they went more of a newer A/C style.. put John Tesh on at night.. it won't hurt WIKY that bad, but, might take a junk of the audience, and soft a/c always bills well... but when you run Cardinals baseball games, have a crappy on air staff and music that has no direction you don't make much money!
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radiogeek40208
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TriStateRadio said:
It appears to me that 94.9, as an entity, would have been better served to stay ESPN radio and go for other repeaters, etc. More saleable?
Still don't understand, but hey, what do I know - maybe it makes sense if the dollars are there...
Withers likes to put baseball and football on the radio, that would only compliment a ESPN station.. but, when you do with Withers Broadcasting things that make sense don't happen!
Sounds like we don't have very many sales oriented folks out there.. Cardinal baseball is an EASY sell in these parts.. Even the Cubs sell well in Lawrenceville, Boonville and on the other Mt.Carmel station.. Geez? The University that I work for see big results in francised sports coverage and buys alot of affordable ads in those situations... I do agree, that if I had the 50kw box, I would have kept ESPN (they cracked that 3.3 in the last ESPN book).... ???
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Heard from Southern/Central Illinois engineer today that Withers spending spree is part of a plan to put the finishing touches on a conglomerate that can be sold as he readies to finally retire.
If that's true, why would any conglomerate be interested in some of these stations that have been owned by every company under the sun? Is this a plan run awry? I really don't understand the buying spree for the prices paid. Seems excessive. My experience has been that nothing is ever as good as it seems and when buying is going on the pendulum swings back and makes selling harder.
I still can't figure this all out. He seems to be a good businessman - this 94.9 project just seems to lack focus. If you stand back and look at it logically - it doesn't make any sense. Has been employees, programming all over the place, it just don't get it. The bulk purchase to have something bigger to sell is all I can figure.
Anybody have any other ideas?
If that's true, why would any conglomerate be interested in some of these stations that have been owned by every company under the sun? Is this a plan run awry? I really don't understand the buying spree for the prices paid. Seems excessive. My experience has been that nothing is ever as good as it seems and when buying is going on the pendulum swings back and makes selling harder.
I still can't figure this all out. He seems to be a good businessman - this 94.9 project just seems to lack focus. If you stand back and look at it logically - it doesn't make any sense. Has been employees, programming all over the place, it just don't get it. The bulk purchase to have something bigger to sell is all I can figure.
Anybody have any other ideas?
(sigh)
If you don't mind, let me quote Floyd Hubbard. He was the long time engineer of WVJS and WSTO. Floyd used to sum up life by saying, "It's their little red wagon and if they want to haul s**t, it's their business!" Withers can do whatever he wants and if he can pay the bills and make payroll, so be it. The armchair quarterback meter on this thread is pegging.
John Tesh and his fun fact show prep between the fem music was on Lite Talk with Less Rock, Lite 105.3. It was proven Delilah wears the balls in Evansville; and 105.3 has a signal. So there is no way on God's green earth it would work on 94.9.
94.9 only covers part of the metro with a strong signal. I have a Delco factory radio and 94.7 starts to beat up on 94.9 as I move east of 164 into Warrick County. Bud Walters has no intention of selling 94.7 at a reasonable price to return the license and move 94.9's tower closer to Evansville. He's too busy serving the community and helping people, or so he says. Withers best bet is to be a station serving all points north of Evansville and he can do whatever he wants.
Sorry for the rant, but anymore I have respect for someone who is willing to try something different as crazy as it might be. I've listen to WYNG and it is "small town radio". But you know what, if he can pay the bills so what. Remember, it's his little red wagon.
If you don't mind, let me quote Floyd Hubbard. He was the long time engineer of WVJS and WSTO. Floyd used to sum up life by saying, "It's their little red wagon and if they want to haul s**t, it's their business!" Withers can do whatever he wants and if he can pay the bills and make payroll, so be it. The armchair quarterback meter on this thread is pegging.
John Tesh and his fun fact show prep between the fem music was on Lite Talk with Less Rock, Lite 105.3. It was proven Delilah wears the balls in Evansville; and 105.3 has a signal. So there is no way on God's green earth it would work on 94.9.
94.9 only covers part of the metro with a strong signal. I have a Delco factory radio and 94.7 starts to beat up on 94.9 as I move east of 164 into Warrick County. Bud Walters has no intention of selling 94.7 at a reasonable price to return the license and move 94.9's tower closer to Evansville. He's too busy serving the community and helping people, or so he says. Withers best bet is to be a station serving all points north of Evansville and he can do whatever he wants.
Sorry for the rant, but anymore I have respect for someone who is willing to try something different as crazy as it might be. I've listen to WYNG and it is "small town radio". But you know what, if he can pay the bills so what. Remember, it's his little red wagon.
Rob---I think the Armchair Quarterbacking is "pegging the meter" on this station because it seems soooo out of character for a Withers station to lack so much focus and direction. No matter what you think of Withers as a human being, his stations (for the most part) sound decent and are well run. That is in stark contrast to what's happening with 94.9.
You are more than right, it's his little red wagon and he can pile as much s**t as he wants to into it. But, I've just never seen (or heard) a Withers station with so much s**t piled this high!! I think that's the fascination with this station. Whether it's an Evansville station, northern regional station, Mt. Carmel only station, or whatever....it's just fascinating that (given his reputation) Withers hasn't brought a firing squad into the station and lined them all up against the wall. Surely, the old guy's not mellowing???
You are more than right, it's his little red wagon and he can pile as much s**t as he wants to into it. But, I've just never seen (or heard) a Withers station with so much s**t piled this high!! I think that's the fascination with this station. Whether it's an Evansville station, northern regional station, Mt. Carmel only station, or whatever....it's just fascinating that (given his reputation) Withers hasn't brought a firing squad into the station and lined them all up against the wall. Surely, the old guy's not mellowing???
Floyd Hubbard! What a blast from the past.
By the way....
Have to ask...
How'd the tooth thing.....
Come Out?
By the way....
Have to ask...
How'd the tooth thing.....
Come Out?
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gassoff
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Can anyone in Evansville hear WYFX?
Wouldn't WVHI (1330) make the most sense as a sports station? How much would it take for them to sell?
Wouldn't WVHI (1330) make the most sense as a sports station? How much would it take for them to sell?
1330, as it is, won't make sense, unless you find a place to move the array. The frequency was one of many AM's that signed on after WWII. Many of these stations had to utilize directional antenna systems so they all could fit. 1330 is non-directional during the day and directional at night. The problem is when they designed the night signal pattern it was aimed towards downtown while east of 41 and Newburgh wasn't a concern. Green River Road was at one time farmland. Everything changed as growth moved east and 1330 would disappear at sundown. It's cost prohibitive to do all the things needed including engineering studies, land acquisition for a new array, building of towers and burying a ground system for the station to have a competitive signal again.
WGBF had a great signal in the mid 80's but the last time I drove by it there were buildings where the ground system used to be.
Premier signal prior to WW2 and it was directional and only 2 towers but now you can't hear it in Princeton well.
Lived at the transmitter site years ago. Think it's 20 acres? My kid used to play out in the field and what used to be the ground system over the East tower is now a strip mall. I can't believe the tower is completely surrounded by asphalt. Moving the array North and reconstructing the ground system might help this former great signal.
Premier signal prior to WW2 and it was directional and only 2 towers but now you can't hear it in Princeton well.
Lived at the transmitter site years ago. Think it's 20 acres? My kid used to play out in the field and what used to be the ground system over the East tower is now a strip mall. I can't believe the tower is completely surrounded by asphalt. Moving the array North and reconstructing the ground system might help this former great signal.
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radiorob2.0 said:
Thanks. I wasn't aware 1330 had night time issues. I haven't lived in Evansville since 1996, and when I was there, I had no reason to listen to 1330.
I still didn't get the answer about WYFX. Can you hear it westside only, or does it hit Newburgh and Boonville?
I haven't tried it in Newburgh, but it was clear as far from Evansville as the I-164/I64 Interchange when I was through there a few days ago.
To answer your question, yes. It's not a strong signal but is receivable on a car radio.
But there is a unique anomaly with 106.7 in Evansville and it involves something called an Intermediate Frequency (I.F.). Long story short your radio receiver is able to amplify distant stations using an I.F.. The byproduct is interference on adjacent radios on a frequency that is the I.F. plus the frequency. For FM the I.F. is usually around 10.7mhz, some receivers are not exact but you get the idea. So if one radio is listening to WNIN at 88.3 you would receive a dead spot on an adjacent radio at around 99. 88.3 plus the I.F. of 10.7. So with that in mind if your listening to 106.7 in Warrick County and it suddenly disappears for a moment chances are the car next to you is listening to 96.1, granted that adds to 106.8 but again most receivers aren't perfect. This was rather interesting fifteen years ago when 106.7 was attempting CHR against 96STO and they would disappear at a stoplight if the car next to them would be listening to STO.
But there is a unique anomaly with 106.7 in Evansville and it involves something called an Intermediate Frequency (I.F.). Long story short your radio receiver is able to amplify distant stations using an I.F.. The byproduct is interference on adjacent radios on a frequency that is the I.F. plus the frequency. For FM the I.F. is usually around 10.7mhz, some receivers are not exact but you get the idea. So if one radio is listening to WNIN at 88.3 you would receive a dead spot on an adjacent radio at around 99. 88.3 plus the I.F. of 10.7. So with that in mind if your listening to 106.7 in Warrick County and it suddenly disappears for a moment chances are the car next to you is listening to 96.1, granted that adds to 106.8 but again most receivers aren't perfect. This was rather interesting fifteen years ago when 106.7 was attempting CHR against 96STO and they would disappear at a stoplight if the car next to them would be listening to STO.
That's another point...plus KISS and Jack are close (frequency-wise), and at least one of my portable radios can't pick up 106.7 even on the west side of the city, it goes straight from picking up 106.1 to picking up 107.1
It sounds like your radio has a wide stance when it comes to selectivity.
My observations (over many moons and back to Nussell owning it, before TOC/Lange).... 90 meters above average terrain.. On a short stick and the radiation goes right into the Red Bank on the west side of Evansville.. Thus, the east bank of the Red Bank is lost by 80% and the RF running around 107.5 and 104.1's antenna does not help the analog..... Then the signal clears out east of the Lloyd Expressway and 41 to a tolarable signal.. Not bad into Newburgh and Clean into Henderson, due to the flats that run through Union Township of Vanderburgh County (across the Ohio River from downtown Henderson)... You'd be suprised by the signal east of Henderson on the Audubon Parkway....
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