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XM Replaces KZLA as Sponsor of "Country Bash '06'

There is no way the country listener is going to fork over the amount of money per month for XM that it costs them to get their daily bud 30 pack.
 
Herb999 said:
There is no way the country listener is going to fork over the amount of money per month for XM that it costs them to get their daily bud 30 pack.


What an idiotic statement.

Have you looked at the country demographic makeup recently? If you had, you'd know how ridiculous that statement is. AC and Country listenerships are very similar, if you actually look at the numbers.

Right now, Rascal Flatts and Carrie underwood are selling more records than ANYONE in any format.

Rash, and stupid sterotypes will only expose you as someone who obviously hasn't done any homework before you started typing.
 
Look, if I was buying ad time to promote domestic beer in a can, country would be my first choice.


Two people may be of the same demographic, but you need to dig deeper than just that, ask them to open their mouth wide and look at their teeth.
 
I didn't think I'd get any productive discourse from you on this.
 
No, you are.

See what I'm saying is what many advertisers see country listeners as. This is why the format is gone from NYC and LA. We both know that there is at the very least some truth to it. Country listeners don't have the money that listeners of other formats do. Power ratios baby!!!
 
Country Listeners don't have the money that other formats do?

So who's buying all the records of the artists that are breaking sales records these days?
 
::)


Oh I stand corrected, they can buy $15 CDs, wheew you got me there bud. I'll go tell every ad agency the news, country will be back on 1035 nyc by noon. ;D
 
If they can buy as many CD's as they're buying...they can afford XM if they want it.

I just don't see a strong argument to support what you're saying.

You're obviously a witty person. Funny retorts and sarcasm aside however, there's just not much actual reality to back up what you're conveying.
 
If some of you posters listened to a real country station - you'd know.

In every city except LA, SF, and NY Country is the New AC.

Rascal Flatts, Faith Hill, Keith Urban, Carrie Underwood...music with good lyrics and hooky
music. Women 18-54 love this stuff.

San Diego supports two good Country stations.

Guys on a radio board don't get a say in this matter.

Despite good talent, KZLA was not a very good COUNTRY station.
 
surfdude said:
Despite good talent, KZLA was not a very good COUNTRY station.

KZLA couldn't be everything to everyone. Country has more flavors than one.

I love progressive country or Americana, a la XM 12, Sirius 63, KPIG, Radio Free Phoenix, etc. Obviously a niche format, and one that KZLA didn't touch.

This has to be called for what it is:

Los Angeles is changing. America is changing. Phoenix is now, what 38 percent primary-english speaking???

English speaking is a minority. Niche formats of the past like KRLA (Huggy Boy era), KACE, KFAC, KSCA (the AAA version), etc. will not have commercial appeal. As soon as stalwarts like Stevie Wonder and Mr. Levine pass, KJLH and KMZT will be history too.

Now, mainstream formats like KZLA are falling. Star is flailing.

FM is doing what AM did starting 30 years ago. Soon it too will be all talk, ethnic, sports, etc.

There is nothing wrong with this. 20 years ago I would panic, I did not have enough cassettes and LPs to replace KMET when it signed off.

Today, all that means is Satellite Radio, IPods or streaming radio. NPR too. Commercial broadcast radio will be irrelevant for this listener, and an ever-growing percentage of the public.

It's like the members of the NAB want us to go away. Corporate radio bottom feeders like D-E will turn coin taking marginal performing stations and repurposing them to serve the nice people moving here, and I have no problem with that either.
 
surfdude said:
If some of you posters listened to a real country station - you'd know.

In every city except LA, SF, and NY Country is the New AC.

Rascal Flatts, Faith Hill, Keith Urban, Carrie Underwood...music with good lyrics and hooky
music. Women 18-54 love this stuff.

San Diego supports two good Country stations.

Guys on a radio board don't get a say in this matter.

Despite good talent, KZLA was not a very good COUNTRY station.

Here is the math.

LA is 70% ethnic (Black, Hispanic, Asian as well as Persian, Arab, Armenian, Russian recent immigrants) and none of those groups uses country in LA (5th or 6th generation Hispanics in Texas do... they don't exist in LA in any number).

There is 30% "other" (Arbitron's term, not mine) left. If you look at, lt's say, Seattle, there is about a 6 share for country. A 6 share of the 30% "other" in LA would give you about a 1.5 to 1.7 share.

In other words, KZLA was doing very well in converting the available country listeners to users. The problem is that there is not much heritage country lifestyle in LA, and no influx of non-Hispanic whites into the area that would build cume (unlike Riverside, San Diego, etc., that have "white" growth).

There are plenty of ethnic markets where county is not setting any records, like Miami (60% Black and Hispanic), where there is a large ethnic percentage or where there is no heritage of country usage. Essentially, it is a question of what the "other" population is and how much the lifestyle is part of the market.

San Diego has two stations fragmenting what was just enough share to be top 5 in the past; SD has far more lifestyle residents, too. On the other hand, the new 25-44 female play in LA will get, probably, double the numbers of KZLA... Movin' is the right music for a big format hole in LA. We should be discussing how KIIS, KBIG, Hot and even Star will be affected when large parts of their Hispanic listener base starts Movin'.

I think KZLA's flip will set off a domino effect, with several other stations in jeopardy or in need of tweeking.
 
While "other" starts migrating en masse to IPods, streaming music at work, XM/Sirius, etc.

I heard XM Sixties on 6 streaming into the receptionist's computer speakers at the dentist in June. "I can't stand KRTH's same 40 songs," she said.

Adios AM, Adios FM. Hola otra.
 
David: I don't dispute your math for LA. I was responding to the stereotype
that was being presented by a couple of posters of WHO the Country listeners are
in general, not LA specific.

They are are NOT all blue collar, low wage, rednecks.

KZLA was not a good country station. The cume was there, the TSL was not. Country is a TSL driven format.
 
Here is the math:

They just keep coming. Pete Wilson had it right.

Today it's radio.

Tomorrow, it will be our basic society. And anyone who tries to sound defensive about protecting the American society as it exists now is branded racist.

Mexicans are good people. Guatamalans and the others too, if I were in their shoes I would do the same thing. They must be treated humanely, brotherly, with utmost respect. Artifical discrimination must be rooted out.

But there is a finite number of houses. Only so much water. The supply lines are getting streteched.

Immigrants bring much to our society, and we need them. But, in return, they must assimilate into our society.

And the changemakers in the temple, those who turn coin profiting from our differences, will call this racist.

That is why there is no more country music in LA. I personally gave up on FM music 10 years ago, no loss for me.

But for our society, I fear.
 
SuperRadioFan said:
You [EDIT]!!! :eek:
Have you been listening to that awful racist radio station KFI again???
[EDIT-namecalling]

You know, the funny thing is, I despise what I just said.

I voted against Pete Wilson and 187.

To this day, I support amnesty, drivers licenses and social services for the illegal people here. We need them more than they need us, in human and economic terms. They work hard, so very hard, and start with so very little. The human tragedy, the split families, the piles of abandoned teddy bears in the desert near Sasabe AZ, this just breaks my heart.

But this just cannot continue as it is.

Our society is worth preserving. Our anglo-saxon based civilization is worth preserving. Sure, immigrants of different colors and nationalities and beliefs can come. But they must embrace our culture. Otherwise, we have Baghdad. Or Amsterdam. Or Brixton. Not good.

A common language is the first step. The natural assimilation process that existed for generations has been frozen by profiteers like Univision Radio and TV, where a California industrialist who can't speak spanish and lives just down the beach from here makes hundreds of millions by exploiting their differences.

Ooops, that's where David Edward works, isn't it? He too has made some handsome coin discriminating against spanish speaking people by freezing them in their inability to speak the nation's common language.

When the shoe is on the other foot, the Mexican Republic is far less accepting than we are. Undocumented aliens are dealt with very savagely there. Even US citizens have a hard time emigrating. The gobierno, for some strange reason, absolutely insists that U.S. citizens speak spanish and have money in the bank before being allowed to settle.

When I was a college student in Tucson, I became a great fan of the writer Edward Abbey (Monkeywrench Gang, etc). His views on Mexico then were repugnant to me: he felt a high fence was needed to prevent mexico's overpopulation, social and economic distribution cancers from spreading north. I told him to his face he was a racist. He threw a beer can at me.

Edward Abbey was right.

30 years from now, English will be protected like French in Ontario (not Quebec, Ontario). The republicans will be the Parti Quebecois.

I would say that government would require that radio station groups would require 40 percent English programming, but radio station groups will be obsolete buggy whips in 5 years so who cares?
 
SuperRadioFan said:
You [EDIT]!!! :eek:
Have you been listening to that awful racist radio station KFI again???
[EDIT-namecalling]

And by the way, I never, ever, EVER listen to KFI. That is the lowest insult you can hurl my way.
 
Why is one poster, who clearly has a lot of time on his hands, turning this radio board into a bizarre Whites First debate? If I didn't know any better, I'd say this zuma guy is someone from that other radio board trying to sabotage things here.
 
Doctah said:
Why is one poster, who clearly has a lot of time on his hands, turning this radio board into a bizarre Whites First debate? If I didn't know any better, I'd say this zuma guy is someone from that other radio board trying to sabotage things here.

I'd say you were wrong.
 
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