You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

[notalkallstatic]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

The idiots at the PTC will probably try to take credit for having the show canned. Never saw the show, just can't stand the PTC or the AFA. These people are trying to ruin our lives... PTC for television, the AFA for everything else.

 

[philosofy]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

>As for KSL? Great job sticking to their guns. I think they use their position to know when a show is just going to >do well at all; they're 2-for-2 in NBC dud refusals.

If that was the case I would think they would refuse to run Free Agents as well. Especially when one of the leads, Hank Azaria, is putting out tweets like this on @hankazaria:

Hey kids, please watch Free Agents this wednesday at 8:30. I fear it may be your last chance!!

Okay it's do or die time for my show Free Agents-- we need eyeballs tonight at 8:30 on NBC!! Watch tonight or we may go away.

And this show has has just as many airings as PB Club got.

 

[TroyG]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

I think it would be a whole lot better if "The Playboy Club" would be on Cable, instead of OTA Broadcast TV. It would be a good fit if it was on FX, AMC, or USA Cable.

 

[cyberdad]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

As for KSL? Great job sticking to their guns. .

I'm not Mormon but I give KSL/Bonneville props for having backbone and sticking to their principles. As for PTC, I don't think they had anything to do with the cancellation. It was a dud...and those who did bother to tune in for the first episode or two evidently discovered that.

 

[Tom Wells]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

OK by me. Such repackaging of former times and perspectives is dangerous and divisive while those alive still
remember the times.

If you don't do it right, those who know what it was really like won't appreciate the "editing and rewriting" of history.
If you don't rewrite and edit for the modern perspective, many in the modern viewpoint would be
horrified at a factual presentation.

So it's an impossibly thin line to walk today, at least regarding "The Playboy Club."

Imagine a weekly series where the primary characters are United States slaveowners being pampered by their hou...
excuse me ... "indoor servants" as they carry out their fancy rich lives.
I think we see this as a situation not fitting for "entertainment".
Similarly, how we see objectification of women and servile positioning as "entertainment" varies greatly among people.

 

[justpassingthough]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

How is the PTC or the Mormon church able to flex their power and get "the Playboy Club" removed yet "Jersey Shore", "Family Guy", "Big Love" and a number of other shows that have been protested by the Church or the PTC continued to live on or lasted for seasons?

Probably because its a load of crap...and shows live and die on their "merits" (I put quotes around "merits" since I mentioned "Jersey Shore" and its only true "merit" is that its able to entertain its audience, myself included, but otherwise has no redeeming qualities)

 

[LKellerIII]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

How is the PTC or the Mormon church able to flex their power and get "the Playboy Club" removed yet "Jersey Shore", "Family Guy", "Big Love" and a number of other shows that have been protested by the Church or the PTC continued to live on or lasted for seasons?

Probably because its a load of crap...and shows live and die on their "merits" (I put quotes around "merits" since I mentioned "Jersey Shore" and its only true "merit" is that its able to entertain its audience, myself included, but otherwise has no redeeming qualities)

The bottom line is that these shows live and die by the ratings - and this show wasn't getting them.

Maybe I missed something - but did "the Mormon Church" actually protest this priogram? In my experience, the LDS church is fairly restrained in terms of boycotting or objecting to the content of any film, book, or TV program unless it directly effects the church. In fact, as near as I can tell, the church has been very restrained about the satirical musical The Book of Mormon (currently a smash hit on Broadway), and that play ridicules the LDS church pretty hard.

Making the decision not to run a TV show on KSL because they consider the content unacceptable - is not the same thing at all.

 

[FightingIrish]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

How is the PTC or the Mormon church able to flex their power and get "the Playboy Club" removed yet "Jersey Shore", "Family Guy", "Big Love" and a number of other shows that have been protested by the Church or the PTC continued to live on or lasted for seasons?

Probably because its a load of crap...and shows live and die on their "merits" (I put quotes around "merits" since I mentioned "Jersey Shore" and its only true "merit" is that its able to entertain its audience, myself included, but otherwise has no redeeming qualities)

The bottom line is that these shows live and die by the ratings - and this show wasn't getting them.

Maybe I missed something - but did "the Mormon Church" actually protest this priogram? In my experience, the LDS church is fairly restrained in terms of boycotting or objecting to the content of any film, book, or TV program unless it directly effects the church. In fact, as near as I can tell, the church has been very restrained about the satirical musical The Book of Mormon (currently a smash hit on Broadway), and that play ridicules the LDS church pretty hard.

Making the decision not to run a TV show on KSL because they consider the content unacceptable - is not the same thing at all.

The only involvement the LDS church had with "Playboy Club" is that it was slated to run on an NBC affiliate that they happen to own (through their Bonneville International broadcasting arm). All they did was refuse to clear the show (as they've done with other NBC shows in the past). Other than that, they don't protest against any shows which they have nothing to do with. In other words, if it's not slated to run on KSL, they really don't care about it.

In a similar story a few years ago, Larry Miller, a devout mormon who owned KJZZ-TV, got into a tussle with UPN because the network aired too much "urban/ethnic programming". UPN was pretty furious about this, yanked the affiliation and moved it to another channel. Following Miller's death a few years ago, Bonneville took over day-to-day operations of the station, which they run with KSL-TV.

 

[TroyG]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

The Playboy Club is not alone, folks. "Free Agents", another new NBC show-has also been pulled from Wednesday's schedule. Looks like its star-Hank Azaria-is now pulling a double whammy; Speculation show that he might be leaving "The Simpsons" after this current season. "The Simpsons", however, might also say goodbye as well.

 

[flytrap]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

NBC is notorious for putting on a dog of a show and over promoting it ad nauseum. The PTC or AFA or Don Wildman had nothing to do with it. The show and its rating sucked. If you don't have viewers, you don't have a show. Remember these NBC classics? Supertrain, Pink Lady, Book of Daniel, God the Devil and Bob and more too numerous to mention. They all had one thing in common. The ratings were terrible. You can't blame that on familys, or those gosh darn Christians for a show that flops.

 

[Silkie]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

18-49 demographic doesn't seem to watch much tele for another thing. Besides by the time these people are 16 they have been exposed to so much more in school than what is tame by comparison, that is the Playboy Bunny or the Playboy Club.

 

[searadiofreak]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

18-49 demographic doesn't seem to watch much tele for another thing. Besides by the time these people are 16 they have been exposed to so much more in school than what is tame by comparison, that is the Playboy Bunny or the Playboy Club.

Not sure they are exposed to it in school anymore. Today, it is the net. Pure and simple.

 

[ixnay]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

I did ... enjoy [Playboy's] photography and never saw what I would consider "porn". Naked, yes. Porn, no. There is a huge difference.

Please explain the difference, landtuna.

ixnay

 

[landtuna]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

I did ... enjoy [Playboy's] photography and never saw what I would consider "porn". Naked, yes. Porn, no. There is a huge difference.

Please explain the difference, landtuna.

ixnay

In the Playboy era of which I spoke (50's and 60's) females were artfully displayed similar to classic statues. No close-ups. No compromising positions. Nothing that detracted from the beauty of the person. Crossing that line is where pornography begins.

 

[Silkie]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

If I am not mistaken the poses were called "cheesecake" poses or "bubbling bathing beauties". Not sure why they were called "cheesecake" shots.

 

[searadiofreak]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

If I am not mistaken the poses were called "cheesecake" poses or "bubbling bathing beauties". Not sure why they were called "cheesecake" shots.

I have to admit I had to look this one up, and once again the Urban Dictionary comes to the rescue.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cheesecake

 

[ixnay]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

If I am not mistaken the poses were called "cheesecake" poses or "bubbling bathing beauties". Not sure why they were called "cheesecake" shots.

I don't know why either. And I don't really care.

ixnay

 

[quadraphonic]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

If I am not mistaken the poses were called "cheesecake" poses or "bubbling bathing beauties". Not sure why they were called "cheesecake" shots.

I don't know why either. And I don't really care.

ixnay

It's easy:
Women do "cheesecake" because they are soft and milkywhite and whatnot.
Modeling men do "beefcake" because they are beefier.
Someone wanted a new analogy for porn, so they went with a food reference, as often happens.

 

[cyberdad]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

In the Playboy era of which I spoke (50's and 60's) females were artfully displayed similar to classic statues. No close-ups. No compromising positions. Nothing that detracted from the beauty of the person. Crossing that line is where pornography begins.

+1. Excellent point. And the Playboy business model....honed to perfection by the late '60s when I was in college....also included surrounding the photography by "quality" editorial from some of the most highly-regarded, well-known writers available.

 

[searadiofreak]

Re: You can thank The Mormons & The PTC for cancelling "The Playboy Club".

In the Playboy era of which I spoke (50's and 60's) females were artfully displayed similar to classic statues. No close-ups. No compromising positions. Nothing that detracted from the beauty of the person. Crossing that line is where pornography begins.

+1. Excellent point. And the Playboy business model....honed to perfection by the late '60s when I was in college....also included surrounding the photography by "quality" editorial from some of the most highly-regarded, well-known writers available.

Agreed. However, this was just the buffer between purity and what became porn. It was never meant to last. Porn today, mainly because of technology, doesn't require any of the tasteful portraits or educated writers. This era was unique in that it only lasted about a decade and a half. Human nature combined with technology killed it quickly. It is nice nostalgia, however, and that probably prompted "The Playboy Club". Unfortunately, for reasons I have already stated, there is little interest in it.