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You'll love this one--Mariah Carey on with Hollywood Hamilton KRTH

K

Kyle_Hojem

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Reading on LAradio this morning that Hollywood Hamilton will have Mariah Carey and she will be "chatting oldies" and promoting her new Platinum CD.

Who else thinks that this is pushing it? Seems to me they are going down faster than we thought.<P ID="signature">______________

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That's pretty sad. KRTH's listenership has ZERO interest in Mariah. Can't imagine what her label is giving them to get her on the show.

It's official: KRTH is a rudderless ship.

- Doc

> Reading on LAradio this morning that Hollywood Hamilton will
> have Mariah Carey and she will be "chatting oldies" and
> promoting her new Platinum CD.
>
> Who else thinks that this is pushing it? Seems to me they
> are going down faster than we thought.
>
 
She was there to do his Countdown show. He taped the interview with her. I don't know what's worse, guesting on Hollywood's morning show, or guesting on his countdown show!!!?!!!


> That's pretty sad. KRTH's listenership has ZERO interest in
> Mariah. Can't imagine what her label is giving them to get
> her on the show.
>
> It's official: KRTH is a rudderless ship.
>
> - Doc
>
> > Reading on LAradio this morning that Hollywood Hamilton
> will
> > have Mariah Carey and she will be "chatting oldies" and
> > promoting her new Platinum CD.
> >
> > Who else thinks that this is pushing it? Seems to me they
>
> > are going down faster than we thought.
> >
>
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Why don't they bring in Rappers next? What is with that station? How could they let that staton go to hell like this? This station needs help.

Jeff


> She was there to do his Countdown show. He taped the
> interview with her. I don't know what's worse, guesting on
> Hollywood's morning show, or guesting on his countdown
> show!!!?!!!
>
>
> > That's pretty sad. KRTH's listenership has ZERO interest
> in
> > Mariah. Can't imagine what her label is giving them to get
>
> > her on the show.
> >
> > It's official: KRTH is a rudderless ship.
> >
> > - Doc
> >
> > > Reading on LAradio this morning that Hollywood Hamilton
> > will
> > > have Mariah Carey and she will be "chatting oldies" and
> > > promoting her new Platinum CD.
> > >
> > > Who else thinks that this is pushing it? Seems to me
> they
> >
> > > are going down faster than we thought.
> > >
> >
>
 
KEarth's new slogan...

"Today's Best Music, Oldies 101"

Hey, maybe next they can have 3 Doors Down, and maybe the Black-Eyed Peas as guests.

Can't wait to see what they're oldies concerts will start to look like...


> Reading on LAradio this morning that Hollywood Hamilton will
> have Mariah Carey and she will be "chatting oldies" and
> promoting her new Platinum CD.
>
> Who else thinks that this is pushing it? Seems to me they
> are going down faster than we thought.
>
 
K Earth

> "Today's Best Music, Oldies 101"
>
> Hey, maybe next they can have 3 Doors Down, and maybe the
> Black-Eyed Peas as guests.
>
> Can't wait to see what they're oldies concerts will start to
> look like...

Wow, K Earth is sure going down! If YOU owned and programmed K Earth, how would you improve the station? Attempt to keep saving a dying horse or let it die and move on?
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> Why don't they bring in Rappers next? What is with that
> station? How could they let that staton go to hell like
> this? This station needs help.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> > She was there to do his Countdown show. He taped the
> > interview with her. I don't know what's worse, guesting
> on
> > Hollywood's morning show, or guesting on his countdown
> > show!!!?!!!
> >
> >
> > > That's pretty sad. KRTH's listenership has ZERO interest
>
> > in
> > > Mariah. Can't imagine what her label is giving them to
> get
> >
> > > her on the show.
> > >
> > > It's official: KRTH is a rudderless ship.
> > >
> > > - Doc
> > >
> > > > Reading on LAradio this morning that Hollywood
> Hamilton
> > > will
> > > > have Mariah Carey and she will be "chatting oldies"
> and
> > > > promoting her new Platinum CD.
> > > >
> > > > Who else thinks that this is pushing it? Seems to me
> > they
> > >
> > > > are going down faster than we thought.
> > > >
> > >
> >Yea they are probably going JACK....oldies as we know them are all on the wqy out toooo bad shotgun will be the new JACK voice lol
>
 
> Yea they are probably going JACK....oldies as we know
> them are all on the wqy out toooo bad shotgun will be the
> new JACK voice lol

You must not live in the Los Angeles market.

We already have a Jack (KCBS-FM) and it is owned by the same people who own KRTH (Infinity).

Next time, please acquaint yourself with a market before posting on its board.
<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
K.M. -- your thoughts on KRTH?

> > Yea they are probably going JACK....oldies as we know
> > them are all on the wqy out toooo bad shotgun will be
> the
> > new JACK voice lol
>
> You must not live in the Los Angeles market.
>
> We already have a Jack (KCBS-FM) and it is owned by the same
> people who own KRTH (Infinity).
>
> Next time, please acquaint yourself with a market before
> posting on its board.


Yeah, it's sort of silly to comment when you don't even know what is going on.

K.M, what are your thoughts on KRTH -- as a participant, not a moderator?
 
Re: K.M. -- your thoughts on KRTH?

> K.M, what are your thoughts on KRTH -- as a participant, not
> a moderator?

I've been giving this some thought, off and on, since Jay Coffey left. KRTH, being the market's heritage Oldies station, isn't something I wanted to talk about off the cuff.

I believe that whoever takes the programming rein there needs to make a few tweaks in the format. But, to be realistic, you have to look at the future of KRTH -- and of the Oldies format in general -- in terms of attractiveness to the advertising community. Like it or not (and most Oldies fan are in the latter category), the upper end of 25-54s were in high school 30 to 35 years ago. Which means that even music from the early 70s would have been an oldie to them when they graduated.

The problem is that the hits of the 70s and the hits of the 80s don't co-exist very well in a format. That was the case even in the 80s, when top-40 morphed into CHR. (Think back: How many CHRs in the 80s played any 70s gold?) So KRTH is going to have to make a decision to either stay 70s focused and risk losing the low end of the demo as the high end ages out of the advertiser target demo, or move very quickly into 80s music, potentially alienate those listeners over the age of 45, but keep the 30-45ers as P1 listeners for more years. I'd probably choose the latter.

The problem with going to an 80s-focused format is choosing the music. Although market #2 never had an "all-80s" station when that was a minor industry darling five years ago, we have always had stations that played certain genres of that decade's hits. KROQ for the longest time (and still occasionally), and now Star and Jack (and Indie, to a degree), play a lot of new wave/modern rock hits; KOST plays the soft ones; Arrow (pre-flip) and KLOS, the rockers. With format fragmentation, the question is going to be whether or not ignoring genres and simply playing all the big hits together -- as CHR was back then -- will still hold an audience.

Also, going genre-specific either creates the same problem KRTH has now (smaller active playlist) or would have to go deep. I can't see Infinity limiting the scope of the heritage Oldies station and going deep, but to keep the small playlist problem virtually ensures that they will have the same problem a year or two from now that they have now.

So, what I would likely do is test the big top-40/CHR hits from 1977 to 1982, take the best testers, regardless of genre, and try to recreate the format of those years. Recreate the formatics and jingles, let the jocks loosen up some and inject their personalities into all dayparts. Carson and Shotgun would be especially good for this. And agree to Dees' terms to bring him in for mornings.

Long-term, start testing the songs from 1983 to 1988 now, and gradually alter the music mix over the next two or three years to be all 80s, keeping to the all-genre CHR approach. If that didn't work as well as hoped, it would be easier at that point to pick a genre within that decade and refocus without losing too many listeners in the "new core" of 25-45.

Not that I believe Infinity would take my advice, mind you ...<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
Re: K Earth

> > "Today's Best Music, Oldies 101"
> >
> > Hey, maybe next they can have 3 Doors Down, and maybe the
> > Black-Eyed Peas as guests.
> >
> > Can't wait to see what they're oldies concerts will start
> to
> > look like...
>
> Wow, K Earth is sure going down! If YOU owned and programmed
> K Earth, how would you improve the station? Attempt to keep
> saving a dying horse or let it die and move on?
>
I don't know.
All I do know is, the focus is not there in the mornings. Hollywood Hamilton is exactly the wrong person to be doing a show for this format, at leat for the moment. Either take the frequency in a CHR direction, or start focusing on oldies. Otherwise, they sould think about selling the frequency, or making it a simulcast of some other station... I dunno, maybe KFWB?
 
Re: K.M. -- your thoughts on KRTH?

> > K.M, what are your thoughts on KRTH -- as a participant,
> not
> > a moderator?
>
> I've been giving this some thought, off and on, since Jay
> Coffey left. KRTH, being the market's heritage Oldies
> station, isn't something I wanted to talk about off the
> cuff.
>
> I believe that whoever takes the programming rein there
> needs to make a few tweaks in the format. But, to be
> realistic, you have to look at the future of KRTH -- and of
> the Oldies format in general -- in terms of attractiveness
> to the advertising community. Like it or not (and most
> Oldies fan are in the latter category), the upper end of
> 25-54s were in high school 30 to 35 years ago. Which means
> that even music from the early 70s would have been an oldie
> to them when they graduated.
>
> The problem is that the hits of the 70s and the hits of the
> 80s don't co-exist very well in a format. That was the case
> even in the 80s, when top-40 morphed into CHR. (Think back:
> How many CHRs in the 80s played any 70s gold?) So KRTH is
> going to have to make a decision to either stay 70s focused
> and risk losing the low end of the demo as the high end ages
> out of the advertiser target demo, or move very quickly into
> 80s music, potentially alienate those listeners over the age
> of 45, but keep the 30-45ers as P1 listeners for more years.
> I'd probably choose the latter.
>
> The problem with going to an 80s-focused format is choosing
> the music. Although market #2 never had an "all-80s"
> station when that was a minor industry darling five years
> ago, we have always had stations that played certain genres
> of that decade's hits. KROQ for the longest time (and still
> occasionally), and now Star and Jack (and Indie, to a
> degree), play a lot of new wave/modern rock hits; KOST plays
> the soft ones; Arrow (pre-flip) and KLOS, the rockers. With
> format fragmentation, the question is going to be whether or
> not ignoring genres and simply playing all the big hits
> together -- as CHR was back then -- will still hold an
> audience.
>
> Also, going genre-specific either creates the same problem
> KRTH has now (smaller active playlist) or would have to go
> deep. I can't see Infinity limiting the scope of the
> heritage Oldies station and going deep, but to keep the
> small playlist problem virtually ensures that they will have
> the same problem a year or two from now that they have now.
>
> So, what I would likely do is test the big top-40/CHR hits
> from 1977 to 1982, take the best testers, regardless of
> genre, and try to recreate the format of those years.
> Recreate the formatics and jingles, let the jocks loosen up
> some and inject their personalities into all dayparts.
> Carson and Shotgun would be especially good for this. And
> agree to Dees' terms to bring him in for mornings.
>
> Long-term, start testing the songs from 1983 to 1988 now,
> and gradually alter the music mix over the next two or three
> years to be all 80s, keeping to the all-genre CHR approach.
> If that didn't work as well as hoped, it would be easier at
> that point to pick a genre within that decade and refocus
> without losing too many listeners in the "new core" of
> 25-45.
>
> Not that I believe Infinity would take my advice, mind you
> ...
>

What a well, thought out post. This post tells you have lots of experience in the business and you have good thoughts.
 
Re: K Earth

> > > "Today's Best Music, Oldies 101"
> > >
> > > Hey, maybe next they can have 3 Doors Down, and maybe
> the
> > > Black-Eyed Peas as guests.
> > >
> > > Can't wait to see what they're oldies concerts will
> start
> > to
> > > look like...
> >
> > Wow, K Earth is sure going down! If YOU owned and
> programmed
> > K Earth, how would you improve the station? Attempt to
> keep
> > saving a dying horse or let it die and move on?
> >
> I don't know.
> All I do know is, the focus is not there in the mornings.
> Hollywood Hamilton is exactly the wrong person to be doing a
> show for this format, at leat for the moment. Either take
> the frequency in a CHR direction, or start focusing on
> oldies. Otherwise, they sould think about selling the
> frequency, or making it a simulcast of some other station...
> I dunno, maybe KFWB?


Infinity has to think of their other properties. Going too far into the 70's or 80's could hurt KCBS-FM, which they won't do.

I think that because Infinity flipped WCBS-FM and WJMK, that they are going to torch Oldies. Keep in mind, WCBS-FM's flip has been a public relations and ratings disaster.

I think the KRTH death watch is a little premature. I never see anyone calling for KOST's death... and believe it or not, they target the same demo and have similar numbers.

KRTH's cume (just under 1.1 million) is 200,000 better. KOST has one hour more TSL (no surprise for a female targeted station). KRTH is the P2 to KOST and vice versa. KRTH and KOST's 10-year age cells are just two years apart and KOST is two years older - although KOST has a few more under 35 (KRTH is a little heavier 45-54).

Only big difference is KOST much more female.

Bottom line is, it bills between $30 million and $40 million - and Infinity would likely have to take a revenue hit to blow it up. Not a good idea, since 97.1 is almost certainly going to be a work in progress post Howard.

I still think KRTH death watch is really premature.
 
Re: K.M. -- your thoughts on KRTH?

> What a well, thought out post. This post tells you have lots
> of experience in the business and you have good thoughts.

Thanks. It also helps when I think about a topic for a day or two before I post. In this case, the delay was warranted, because I couldn't have given such a thorough reply to the question if I'd done so off the cuff.

Unfortunately, I still doubt Infinity would be paying attention to anything I say.<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
I go away for a Week...

And there you are again K.M., giving away free, well thought of , on target, market specific advice. Why, they pay people to answer subjects like these?. Although I read a compelling post from RadioResearcher here too, I like your ideas. 'Modern Rock Oldies' from the late 70's through the early 90's to compliment KROQ. Genius, pure genius!
 
Re: I go away for a Week...

> And there you are again K.M., giving away free, well thought
> of , on target, market specific advice. Why, they pay
> people to answer subjects like these?. Although I read a
> compelling post from RadioResearcher here too, I like your
> ideas. 'Modern Rock Oldies' from the late 70's through the
> early 90's to compliment KROQ. Genius, pure genius!
>

KCBS-FM has already hurt KROQ enough - anything that would take away even more from KROQ could be damaging to that station - and it's probably gonna be a top three biller this year.
 
Yes, that's part of the plan!

I have only experienced KCBS FM twice. They're drilling deep into the vast untapped Modern Rock Gold that Los Angeles once knew!. There is no room for Jack & K-EARTH to both play these 'Lost Oldies'. We need to adjust the definition of what an 'Oldie' will be. At some point Jack will fade away, somewhat like their limited signal over 101FM

> KCBS-FM has already hurt KROQ enough - anything that would
> take away even more from KROQ could be damaging to that
> station - and it's probably gonna be a top three biller this
> year.
>
 
Re: K.M. -- your thoughts on KRTH?

This is what needs to happen. A programmer with
the authority and autonomy to recycle KRTH into
a classic hits station for today. That by the
way doesn't mean playing Mister Mister & Sting.
It requires hand picked set by set blueprint of
unmistakable Southern California classic Top 40.
All the genuises who think its simply a matter of
saying "well the middle of the target was 16 when
that was a hit" are way too simplistic. That's only
part of it.




> > K.M, what are your thoughts on KRTH -- as a participant,
>
> > not
> > > a moderator?
> >
> > I've been giving this some thought, off and on, since Jay
> > Coffey left. KRTH, being the market's heritage Oldies
> > station, isn't something I wanted to talk about off the
> > cuff.
> >
> > I believe that whoever takes the programming rein there
> > needs to make a few tweaks in the format. But, to be
> > realistic, you have to look at the future of KRTH -- and
> of
> > the Oldies format in general -- in terms of attractiveness
>
> > to the advertising community. Like it or not (and most
> > Oldies fan are in the latter category), the upper end of
> > 25-54s were in high school 30 to 35 years ago. Which
> means
> > that even music from the early 70s would have been an
> oldie
> > to them when they graduated.
> >
> > The problem is that the hits of the 70s and the hits of
> the
> > 80s don't co-exist very well in a format. That was the
> case
> > even in the 80s, when top-40 morphed into CHR. (Think
> back:
> > How many CHRs in the 80s played any 70s gold?) So KRTH
> is
> > going to have to make a decision to either stay 70s
> focused
> > and risk losing the low end of the demo as the high end
> ages
> > out of the advertiser target demo, or move very quickly
> into
> > 80s music, potentially alienate those listeners over the
> age
> > of 45, but keep the 30-45ers as P1 listeners for more
> years.
> > I'd probably choose the latter.
> >
> > The problem with going to an 80s-focused format is
> choosing
> > the music. Although market #2 never had an "all-80s"
> > station when that was a minor industry darling five years
> > ago, we have always had stations that played certain
> genres
> > of that decade's hits. KROQ for the longest time (and
> still
> > occasionally), and now Star and Jack (and Indie, to a
> > degree), play a lot of new wave/modern rock hits; KOST
> plays
> > the soft ones; Arrow (pre-flip) and KLOS, the rockers.
> With
> > format fragmentation, the question is going to be whether
> or
> > not ignoring genres and simply playing all the big hits
> > together -- as CHR was back then -- will still hold an
> > audience.
> >
> > Also, going genre-specific either creates the same problem
>
> > KRTH has now (smaller active playlist) or would have to go
>
> > deep. I can't see Infinity limiting the scope of the
> > heritage Oldies station and going deep, but to keep the
> > small playlist problem virtually ensures that they will
> have
> > the same problem a year or two from now that they have
> now.
> >
> > So, what I would likely do is test the big top-40/CHR hits
>
> > from 1977 to 1982, take the best testers, regardless of
> > genre, and try to recreate the format of those years.
> > Recreate the formatics and jingles, let the jocks loosen
> up
> > some and inject their personalities into all dayparts.
> > Carson and Shotgun would be especially good for this. And
>
> > agree to Dees' terms to bring him in for mornings.
> >
> > Long-term, start testing the songs from 1983 to 1988 now,
> > and gradually alter the music mix over the next two or
> three
> > years to be all 80s, keeping to the all-genre CHR
> approach.
> > If that didn't work as well as hoped, it would be easier
> at
> > that point to pick a genre within that decade and refocus
> > without losing too many listeners in the "new core" of
> > 25-45.
> >
> > Not that I believe Infinity would take my advice, mind you
>
> > ...
> >
>
> What a well, thought out post. This post tells you have lots
> of experience in the business and you have good thoughts.
>
 
Re: K.M. -- your thoughts on KRTH?

Clearly they are not paying attention to the Arbiton books...

> Unfortunately, I still doubt Infinity would be paying
> attention to anything I say.
>
 
Re: K.M. -- your thoughts on KRTH?

> This is what needs to happen. A programmer with
> the authority and autonomy to recycle KRTH into
> a classic hits station for today. That by the
> way doesn't mean playing Mister Mister & Sting.
> It requires hand picked set by set blueprint of
> unmistakable Southern California classic Top 40.
> All the genuises who think its simply a matter of
> saying "well the middle of the target was 16 when
> that was a hit" are way too simplistic. That's only
> part of it.

In one way I dsagree. Trying to be to SoCal is a mistake that KRTH has made fo rhte last decade. Probably less than a third of the potential audience for the format or whatever it metamorphizes into was here in the era when the songs, actual or potential, were hits.

And to say there is a SoCal lifestyle anymore is to say that the sidewalk at Santa Monica is the same as the corner of Pacific and Slausson.

Apparently there is a real process going on at KRTH. Bill Tanner was reported seen talking to the Infinity higher ups last week about the station. Fact or fiction, that is one more indication that they know they have to make changes in the demographic focus, both age and ethnicity being critical.
 
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