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seems to me not many younger listeners willl bother with news---talk on AM or FM in years to come.
Trying to put young talk hosts on the air probably won't atttact enough younger listeners.
in fact----young & midddle age people I know do not bother much with AM or FM these days &
that includes music on FM. They get music from other sources. And if they want news they use the
NY Times website.
Trying to put young talk hosts on the air probably won't atttact enough younger listeners.
in fact----young & midddle age people I know do not bother much with AM or FM these days &
that includes music on FM. They get music from other sources. And if they want news they use the
NY Times website.
Not necessarily...they want news that THEY are interested in...not all the news that's fit to print. Two different agendas.
Talk did well on FM when Howard Stern was doing the talking. Radio needs to remember what he did. It could work again now.
I don't know....WTOP in DC seems to do well.
NPR does well with news and talk as well.
Just like musicradio had to change with the move to FM...talkradio (as we know it on AM) and newsradio might have to adapt to some of the differences on the FM band.
Merlin was an class example of how NOT to do news on FM...everything from technical glitches, story selection, unprepared anchors, talking down to the demographic, etc., etc.
I hope nobody points to the Merlin episodes as a valid example of someone trying news on FM.
Young people will listen if the programming fits them.
The AM talkers are really just propaganda mills for those that profit. Wall Street investors and foreign interests. The advertisers, I suspect many of them, money laundering outlets for these foreign interests and perhaps organized crime. This is how propaganda works in USA. There are some good programs but they are pushed into the late and overnight because those “special interests” would never allow them to reach the larger drive time audience.
Young people WILL listen to radio if it's good enough. They may even promote the station on Facebook and listen to the web stream. They also like to interact with the talk show host so talk shows better make more use of social networking, including Twitter during the live show.
You don't need a big station to do this either, good communication is the key, you have to get to know your audience well if you want to succeed.
The AM talkers are really just propaganda mills for those that profit. Wall Street investors and foreign interests. The advertisers, I suspect many of them, money laundering outlets for these foreign interests and perhaps organized crime. This is how propaganda works in USA. There are some good programs but they are pushed into the late and overnight because those “special interests” would never allow them to reach the larger drive time audience.
Young people WILL listen to radio if it's good enough. They may even promote the station on Facebook and listen to the web stream. They also like to interact with the talk show host so talk shows better make more use of social networking, including Twitter during the live show.
You don't need a big station to do this either, good communication is the key, you have to get to know your audience well if you want to succeed.
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Your evidence of this is, specifically, what?
Talk stations of any kind operate as long as they can make a profit or, at least, cover costs. One large broadcaster committed a slew of major market stations to Air America and kept with the concept (and political leaning) longer than less well-financed owners would have. In fact, that company still is trying to make a progressive format work in LA, but it gets next to no ratings on a very good facility.
Speak up. I can barely hear you over the noise from the black helicopters.
Advertisers buy pairs of ears, and they pay in proportion to the number of them each station gets. There is no way to "launder money" by buying advertising... it's as normal a business expense as paying the rent or the workforce.
Opinions in the media are as old as Ben Franklin's broadsheets. In fact, our country is based on "propaganda" starting with that old slogan of "no taxation without representation" or the one about "give me liberty or give me death". How do you think those radical statements were propagated to the colonists? By osmosis?
Absurd. With competition for ad dollars being based on audience delivery, any show capable of delivering a large audience will be considered.
Younger adults won't listen to agenda-driven talk of any persuasion. They did listen to Howard Stern, and to a lesser extent to others ranging from O&A to Leykis. But one thing is certain... as even Stern proved... they won't listen on AM.
The definition of a "big station" is based on having a big signal. Without a good signal, good, bad or mediocre communication will universally fail.
I realize the thread is basically about talk radio, but you have hit on a truism. It used to be that people picked up only one newpaper, often the Times, and that was that. Now they go all over, from Huffington to Drudge Report to NY Daily News to NY Post or to TV station websites that must be picking up a lot of clicks. There's also yahoo, Bing, MSN, TMZ, OMG, and on and on. There's great diversity in news now.
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Wow, this is fun having my comments picked at.
So my opinion is that simply, without the means to investigate truths or those black helicopters, I can only give opinion based on past experiences and conversation with those in the know. We can safety assume, yes “ass+u&me” that all intelligence agencies will be manipulating media outlets using ill gotten monies to fund front entities, companies, stores and such to support those media outlets promoting their agendas.
We could easily use as an example, an occupied nation, Afghanistan perhaps where this is going on.
Why not expect other wealthy nations or those funded by the CIA to do the same in USA? It would be naive not to expect this.
We all know about the huge operating costs needed to run these big power house stations. In order to keep on air they will take money from any place it comes from. In these tough times, who could it be that still holds this large amount of disposable cash? We all know that organized crime dwells in centers of money and power. They always use front men and shill companies to do their bidding.
By the way, I need not be swayed into an “attack on the right or left” here. We see Foundations being used by the same groups, perhaps with differing agendas but using the very same tactics to influence public opinion, sympathy and anger as needed.
So my opinion is that simply, without the means to investigate truths or those black helicopters, I can only give opinion based on past experiences and conversation with those in the know. We can safety assume, yes “ass+u&me” that all intelligence agencies will be manipulating media outlets using ill gotten monies to fund front entities, companies, stores and such to support those media outlets promoting their agendas.
We could easily use as an example, an occupied nation, Afghanistan perhaps where this is going on.
Why not expect other wealthy nations or those funded by the CIA to do the same in USA? It would be naive not to expect this.
We all know about the huge operating costs needed to run these big power house stations. In order to keep on air they will take money from any place it comes from. In these tough times, who could it be that still holds this large amount of disposable cash? We all know that organized crime dwells in centers of money and power. They always use front men and shill companies to do their bidding.
By the way, I need not be swayed into an “attack on the right or left” here. We see Foundations being used by the same groups, perhaps with differing agendas but using the very same tactics to influence public opinion, sympathy and anger as needed.
How many stations have you run or been responsible for paying the bills for?
Assuming the same programming, the differences in operating costs for a 5 kw station and a 50 kw AM station are a few thousand dollars a month. When we look at stations like KFI in LA billing over $40 million, we know that the issue of the electric bill is not a crucial concern.
There is a high degree of transparency here. Ads are monitored and reported by MediaMonitors, billing is audited by Miller Kaplan, most big AMs are owned by audited public corporations.
As someone who has programmed talk stations in 5 of the top 10 markets, I would find your comments comical were it not for the fact that you seem to actually believe this stuff without having any real knowledge of radio.
Every group from the ASPCA to the Aryan Brotherhood uses and tries to influence public opinion. It's what differentiates people from animals of the four-legged kind.
We could both be correct.
Ok, so we see things different here. I see you are in California and I am near NYC. I don't know why the need for conflict. FM station in NYC have to pay very high tower rental, the larger AM stations have high overhead and maintenance costs for their tower farms in Secaucus New Jersey.
As for my past experiences I would hesitate to go on about that lest I be accused of bragging.
I do find you comments quite amusing. As for the way stations are funded, I was talking about the advertisers, not the station owners. I will only guess you are part of some of the enterprise I described above. As we say here in New Jersey, “There is NO Mafia” LMFAO. Not offending Italians either, organized crime can be based on any region, ethnicity or even gangs and clubs. Don't think it's always like in the movies. It changes over time and these very same groups or families will often invest in those big companies you described. The smartest criminals are the ones that never get caught.
I suggest you travel more, spend time with people and do your research, then get back to me with your feedback. Perhaps in time you can contribute more productive comments to this conversation.
Ok, so we see things different here. I see you are in California and I am near NYC. I don't know why the need for conflict. FM station in NYC have to pay very high tower rental, the larger AM stations have high overhead and maintenance costs for their tower farms in Secaucus New Jersey.
As for my past experiences I would hesitate to go on about that lest I be accused of bragging.
I do find you comments quite amusing. As for the way stations are funded, I was talking about the advertisers, not the station owners. I will only guess you are part of some of the enterprise I described above. As we say here in New Jersey, “There is NO Mafia” LMFAO. Not offending Italians either, organized crime can be based on any region, ethnicity or even gangs and clubs. Don't think it's always like in the movies. It changes over time and these very same groups or families will often invest in those big companies you described. The smartest criminals are the ones that never get caught.
I suggest you travel more, spend time with people and do your research, then get back to me with your feedback. Perhaps in time you can contribute more productive comments to this conversation.
I suggest you find out exactly who it is that you're directing your completely uninformed comments at. You obviously have no clue.
Any major metro will have rather similar costs. The Park Service rental for sites on Mt Wilson in LA is very high, and coupled with environmental costs and difficult access, makes LA and NYC transmitters site maintenance comparable. Chicago FMs are paying Willis and Hancock large sums... same for the Senior Road sites in Houston, the Gannett tower in Miami, etc., etc.
AMs wherever they are are beasts... lots of land, extreme difficulty in reloacating if forced to move due to NIMBY, environmental concerns, zoning, RF, etc. While NYC is generally a more costly market to live and work in, it is by no means the only place where sites and land are expensive.
Translation: "I have no real experience running a station".
Travel more? After 4 million miles just on my AAdvantage card in the last 18 years, I think I should travel less, have to visit less transmitter sites, spend less time in hotels, waste less time booking flights and getting visas...
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With several Premiere Networks shows set to move to WOR-710, and WABC-770 parent Cumulus having launched a number of national talk shows, one thing that is disappointing for New York talk radio is that so little of it is local.
It may have been self-serving, but Stephanie Miller at KTLK-AM 1150 and syndicated on enough stations to be numbered among the top performers on Talkers Magazine's admitted questionable Honor Roll, has claimed that after each shift, she records spots for advertisers who want to be on her show in the LA market. (Sorry that that sentence was so long). I've often wondered if the junk that most talk stations broadcast overnight and on the weekends pulls down their Sunday thru Saturday ratings, and it's the 6:00 am until 7:00 or 8:00 pm listenership that pays the bills.
Overnights, while rated, are not published broadly. And there is little sales activity except for a couple of syndicators.
M-F 6 AM to 7 PM is the time where much of the sales of any station takes place. So the night stuff, and weekends, too, are hard to sell and thus either "the cheapest alternative" or infomercials.
My talk experience, although it was more than a decade ago, in LA showed that investing in weekends, nights and overnights did produce results. We managed to beat KFI a couple of times in 25-54, and much had to do with performing nearly at parity with 6 AM to 7 PM numbers in nights, overnights and weekends. The moment that it was decided to sell weekend time, the ratings began to decline.
What in the world are you talking about? Did you take your meds this morning?
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