IIRC, it wasn't the PD who said that. Even worse, it was the GM, lol.
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IIRC, it wasn't the PD who said that. Even worse, it was the GM, lol.
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stevensonair
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I've often wondered if there were a true liberal talk star, where on terrestrial radio they'd be hired. Something tells me there aren't many chances for that.
I've often wondered if there were a true liberal talk star, where on terrestrial radio they'd be hired. Something tells me there aren't many chances for that.
No, I suspect talkradio is forever down that rabbit hole. It's too far gone.
I've often wondered if there were a true liberal talk star, where on terrestrial radio they'd be hired. Something tells me there aren't many chances for that.
They'd be on TV. They ARE on TV. Everywhere.
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Its a joke that 1210 has decided to keep him in the afternoons, instead of airing Hannity live. 1210 management are clueless and not making sense with their programming decisions.
Its a joke that 1210 has decided to keep him in the afternoons, instead of airing Hannity live. 1210 management are clueless and not making sense with their programming decisions.
Maybe he convinced management that there will soon be a landslide in his ratings. Or would that be an avalanche?
I've often wondered if there were a true liberal talk star, where on terrestrial radio they'd be hired. Something tells me there aren't many chances for that.
Some would say Philly's Terry Gross is a true liberal talk star.
You're not allowed to say that NPR is liberal. You should know that by now.
Of course you're right. Along with Garrison Keillor and pretty much everyone else on both very successful public networks.
Of course you're right. Along with Garrison Keillor and pretty much everyone else on both very successful public networks.
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stevensonair
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NPR is not a liberal talk format. We've been over this. You can repeat "NPR is liberal" all you want, it doesn't suddenly become true.
NPR is not a liberal talk format.
I didn't say anything about NPR. I'll be the first to say NPR isn't a liberal talk format. But that doesn't mean WHYY can't have a non-conservative talk show host who happens to be syndicated by NPR. It's a very different thing. But it certainly fills the void for people looking for talk radio that isn't anti-Obama all the time. Whether that's what qualifies as liberal, I don't know. But Terry Gross certainly is a star, and she's obviously on terrestrial radio. It's wrong to not include public radio when looking at the overall OTA platform.
See what I mean? You can't point out that NPR (and public radio in general) is liberal, and is listened to by liberal people. It ruins the "boo hoo there is no liberal talk radio" meme that needs to be pushed to get conservative talk off the air.
NPR is not a liberal talk format. We've been over this. You can repeat "NPR is liberal" all you want, it doesn't suddenly become true.
It doesn't need to "become true". It is true and has always BEEN true. Jeez, listen to one freakin' episode of Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, Prairie Home Companion or This American Life. If you don't see the left leaning of these shows, you're either blind or dishonest.
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stevensonair
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It most certainly isn't true. Again, you perceive something to be a fact and keep repeating it with no evidence.
If NPR was truly left wing, more of its audience would be comprised of left leaning people. None of the examples you cited are even talk shows. Two are comedy/variety programs and the third is anecdotal documentary.
Even if NPR were somehow "liberal" - it wouldn't be relevant to the discussion. This discussion is about talk radio - and the format is pretty clear as to what type of talk radio we're talking about. Commercial, ideologically based talk which is a completely different style from public radio.
Where did I say anything about "getting conservative talk off the air?"
This discussion is about adding shows of different flavors, not removing conservative programs.
I still maintain that there are few to no commercial talk radio jobs in the current state of the business where a talented "out liberal" could stand a reasonable chance of being hired.
If NPR was truly left wing, more of its audience would be comprised of left leaning people. None of the examples you cited are even talk shows. Two are comedy/variety programs and the third is anecdotal documentary.
Even if NPR were somehow "liberal" - it wouldn't be relevant to the discussion. This discussion is about talk radio - and the format is pretty clear as to what type of talk radio we're talking about. Commercial, ideologically based talk which is a completely different style from public radio.
Where did I say anything about "getting conservative talk off the air?"
This discussion is about adding shows of different flavors, not removing conservative programs.
I still maintain that there are few to no commercial talk radio jobs in the current state of the business where a talented "out liberal" could stand a reasonable chance of being hired.
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I still maintain that there are few to no commercial talk radio jobs in the current state of the business where a talented "out liberal" could stand a reasonable chance of being hired.
Why does it matter whether it's commercial or not? A job is a job. Commercial radio is the domain of advertiser supported content.
Second of all, have you ever listened to NJ 101.5?
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See what I mean? You can't point out that NPR (and public radio in general) is liberal, and is listened to by liberal people. It ruins the "boo hoo there is no liberal talk radio" meme that needs to be pushed to get conservative talk off the air.
This isn't just what's killing talk radio; its what's wrecking the nation- the mindset that you have to either be one side or the other. Democrat or Republican. Liberal or Conservative. Now THAT is a BS meme.
And it was great to read earlier in the thread about where hot talk works. We know the farts-&-strippers hot talk format tanked nationwide. We know WBZ-AM's overnight general newstalk and NJ101.5 get caller after caller after caller. Is it this hard for programmers to put the pieces together? I'm still heartbroken Merlin didn't do something with IQ that would've made them respectable (and what makes NPR respectable compared to, say, Hannity & Rush)- let the facts guide the talk. Have hosts lean whatever way they want and give their perspective, but as long as the bare-bones facts are given to listeners, and there's someone working the phones, you WILL have interesting talk radio. Liberal morning drive, Hot-Talk middays, conservative evening drive, hell, overnight sports-talk, why not? So long as you 1) INFORM the listener 2) broadcast DIFFERENT perspectives on a given topic and 3) feature LISTENER input, how would this not be more rational than any AM windbag and more entertaining than any NPR snoozefest?
The whole one-side-or-the-other thing is the Civil War 2.0 with no battle lines, no goals, and no end game. It's not constructive and we don't need it.
WDEL in Wilmington and WBAL in Baltimore do live and local. Both are the top talk station's in their market. I can't get WBAL so have no idea of what their live and local talkers discuss, but do listen to WDEL. They have a liberal [Al Messitti] from 9am-12noon. The Rush wannabe [Rick Jensen] is from 1pm-4pm. Wilmington is ONLY 23 miles south of Philly, both are "BLUE" areas. It would seem to me that if having both lib and con talk in Wilmington works, why wouldn't it work in Philly?
The other thing to note from the PPM numbers WHYY-FM's 12+ PPM numbers quite often beat WPHT's or are about the same. So that implies to me there's a sizable audience in the Philly market that desires some sort of NON-Conservative talk on their radio.
Another question to ask is how many of the Sports/Talk audience in the Philly market have gone to sportstalk, as I have, because they're tired of political talk, especially conservative talk?
There are now the same amount of Sports/Talk stations in the Philly market as Talk stations [WNTP 990, 1210 WPHT, and 90.9 WHYY-FM]. Sport/Talkers in Philly: 610 WIP-AM [CBS Sports Radio], 94.1 WIP-FM Phillycentric Sports Talk, 97.5 WPEN Phillycentric Sports Talk. Plus the rimshot stations that can be heard in the Philly market: 660 WFAN NYC, 1290 WWTX Wilmington [Fox Sports Radio], and 97.3 WENJ [ESPN Radio]. That seems to be the next big thing in Spoken Word programming, Sports/Talk.
The other thing to note from the PPM numbers WHYY-FM's 12+ PPM numbers quite often beat WPHT's or are about the same. So that implies to me there's a sizable audience in the Philly market that desires some sort of NON-Conservative talk on their radio.
Another question to ask is how many of the Sports/Talk audience in the Philly market have gone to sportstalk, as I have, because they're tired of political talk, especially conservative talk?
There are now the same amount of Sports/Talk stations in the Philly market as Talk stations [WNTP 990, 1210 WPHT, and 90.9 WHYY-FM]. Sport/Talkers in Philly: 610 WIP-AM [CBS Sports Radio], 94.1 WIP-FM Phillycentric Sports Talk, 97.5 WPEN Phillycentric Sports Talk. Plus the rimshot stations that can be heard in the Philly market: 660 WFAN NYC, 1290 WWTX Wilmington [Fox Sports Radio], and 97.3 WENJ [ESPN Radio]. That seems to be the next big thing in Spoken Word programming, Sports/Talk.
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Liberal morning drive, Hot-Talk middays, conservative evening drive, hell, overnight sports-talk, why not? So long as you 1) INFORM the listener 2) broadcast DIFFERENT perspectives on a given topic and 3) feature LISTENER input, how would this not be more rational than any AM windbag and more entertaining than any NPR snoozefest?
Impractical. You're mixing formats again, and mixing audiences. Terrible idea if you want to build TSL and ratings. To get ratings, you find something that works and stick with it. Not hodge podge lodge. All talk is not the same.
The problem you're talking about is the focus on politics. There are other things to talk about, but few that inspire as much passion. Passion leads to ratings, not different perspectives.
This isn't just what's killing talk radio; its what's wrecking the nation- the mindset that you have to either be one side or the other. Democrat or Republican. Liberal or Conservative. Now THAT is a BS meme.
You would be absolutely SHOCKED if I told you the names of some major-league programmers who have literally told me that you have to be one side or the other, PERIOD.
This notion that there is no room for anything but the most polarizing content is mind-numbingly short-sighted and stupid---and IS destroying the format and hurting the country's discourse. Anybody who doesn't get that, is incredibly naive...or just dense.
You would be absolutely SHOCKED if I told you the names of some major-league programmers who have literally told me that you have to be one side or the other, PERIOD.
Nobody likes wishy washy. Flip-flopping has been ruled a capital offense. We like people who stick to their guns. Smerconish took a lot of crap from listeners when he made his switch. His popularity definitely took a hit. Go through the comments in the articles about him. They found that he became more "ponderous" after 2010. More "self involved."
Programmers don't program for themselves. They spend every waking hour looking at what the audience says and does. That's where those opinions come from. Not thin air.
The other thing to note from the PPM numbers WHYY-FM's 12+ PPM numbers quite often beat WPHT's or are about the same. So that implies to me there's a sizable audience in the Philly market that desires some sort of NON-Conservative talk on their radio.
I actually find myself listening to sports-talk more and more, for no other reason than complete boredom with the one-note nature of newstalk these days. Sports-talk isn't even that interesting, it's just less insulting to your intelligence. Now THAT is saying something.
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