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The debate about A-La-Carte cable continues...

I heard somewhere you can still get C-Band. Is that true?

I was calling TiVo to ask a question about my new unit and when I explained I had only basic cable, the man said, "Only 100 channels?" I said, "Try 20."

Is this what the world has come to?

And I have to get those 20 by cable. The man saw where I lived, looked up antenna information and saw I'd need a big one. Even then, how dependable would the signals be? Earlier this week with my indoor antenna, the wind was blowing and this one channel that's not on cable was giving me occasional frustration.
 
I'll speak up here on getting C-band. No.

The last encryption system (Digicypher) was not compatible with the encryption system broadcasters used to feed cable systems. There was no way C-band viewers would be able to gain access. There are signals that are not encrypted and mainly on kU band, but those are not typical cable system channels. Mostly religious and foreign language. I got out of watching C-band and kU band many years ago when channels disappeared and due to my lack of interest in the services (mentioned above) that were available. After a hail storm damaged my 7.5 foot dish I took it apart and settled with OTA and news via Internet.

I hope that helped.
 
C-Band was definitely around in the 1980s and 90s - a lot of people I know had fun viewing all the cable networks, Denver's PrimeTime 24, and wild feeds. Not something you see anymore unfortunately...

-crainbebo
 
If it would cost $25 for ESPN, its only because the current system has allowed ESPN to demand such money inorder to secure rights to programing, that has inflated at massive rates inpart cause the various sports leagues know the competing networks will be able to get more money. If A-La-Carte was a way of life from the beginning these networks wouldn't be paying as much for broadcast rights. The $25 for ESPN is only gonna turn into $50 in the coming yrs if something isn't done. A-la-carte is gonna have to happen eventually.

What I would do is try to shift the power back to the networks. Make them must carry. So if you want cable, even if just 1 channel you have to buy your local ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS/Fox/ind for a set price first.
 
I heard somewhere you can still get C-Band. Is that true?

The answer is yes, you can still put up a dish (minimum 7') and receive unencrypted C-band signals. But most of the desirable (read: "commercial") services moved long ago and are either encrypted with commercial systems not available to the general public or are not repeated on C or Ku-band any longer as the number of potential subscribers kept falling.

You can take a look at http://www.lyngsat.com/ to see a list of the current sats and the programming they carry.
 
Yes,

(Subscription channels)
BBC America, BIO, Bravo, Centeric, Chiller, Cooking Channel, OWN, Most of the Discovery Networks (The Hub, Science, ID, Military), ESPN Classic, Game Show Network, Golf Channel, TCM, MTV 2, MTV Hits, History, IFC. VH1 Classic, etc.
More here http://skyvision.com/programming/index.html

Plus tons of FTA channels. (no sub needed)
Reelz Channel (Movies, Classic 80's/90's Sitcoms), Retro TV (Classic TV), CTV Canada (Airs mainly American Network Shows Ellen, Dr Oz, and Anger Management etc.), Heartland TV (Formally TNN (Country Music Videos/Entrainment), TBN, Daystar, Shop NBC, QVC, HSN, Shepherd's Chapel (24/7), PBS Main Networks and Local PBS Stations like LPB), PBJ (Classic Cartoons), NBC Main Feeds, 20th Century Fox Syndicated Feeds (shows like Divorce Court, Futurama Fed to local stations), NASA TV, CSPAN 1, Several Local Network stations KCWY13 (NBC) WPRU (ABC) Simulcast WABC News Throughout the day, ION Networks Main Feeds and secondary channels, Fox News/CNN on occasion, also on occasion Disney Channel, HBO, Showtime, Encore Channels (when they do free weekends on cable/satellite), EWTN, MOVIES! (Fox's all Movie Subnet), COZI TV (Classic TV Shows from the NBC Vault Magnum P. I. etc.), Bloomberg TV, Link TV, Plus tons of Local Stations ABC, PBS, NBC, CBS, Wild feeds of Sporting events from NFL to High school sports, live concerts and breaking news raw camera feeds. More here http://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/
 
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I'm surprised at the prices I'm hearing people are paying for Cable TV. In the NY region, we have the phone company (Verizon) competing with the various cable companies for TV, Internet and Phone. So they're all offering all three services for $89 or $99 a month on a two year contract.

And I guess I must be lucky. My apartment building (about 200 units) negotiated with Time Warner Cable for a package of more than 300 channels, including HBO and Showtime's multiple channels, for a set price for everyone. Only some premium (Ciinemax, Starz, Movie Channel), ethnic and sports channels (CBS Sports, Big Ten, that's about it) get blacked out. Everything else is there, from Aspire to Esquire to IFC to Sundance. For instance, I get multiple English-language News Channels: CNN, CNN International, Fox, MSNBC, BBC World, RT (both English and Spanish), CCTV, CNC (also from Beijing), NHK, France 24, as well as News 12 New Jersey and NY-1.

I'm a renter, so I don't even know if my landlord pays a separate fee to the building for cable, or it's part of the maintenance charge. When I hear about people paying more than $100 for cable alone, I think that's too expensive. But I think a la carte would hardly bring down the cost if you'd have to pay $25-50 for ESPN alone. Add a few others for yourself and the others in your household, and I think you're getting close to $100 a month again. And would some lesser channels survive, like Science or Game Show Network?
 
......In the NY region, we have the phone company (Verizon) competing with the various cable companies for TV, Internet and Phone. So they're all offering all three services for $89 or $99 a month on a two year contract.....

Competing is the operative word here.

Sadly, I live in a tiny media market and it will likely be several hundred years before any real competition comes for cable. Sure, you can get a DISH/DTV hookup, but that's cumbersome/annoying and the features are sub-par to cable (ie on-demand). Plus, as with cable, once you start adding features/options, suddenly you are at $100+.

To be fair, I think nearly all companies will do the bundle deals. Those expire after a year and then it's crazytown.

Two years ago, I started with a Comcast Bundle (internet+mid-tier non-HD non-DVR digital cable for 1 TV). It was $78 and they tossed in Free HBO for 6 months. That bundle lapsed after 6 months and the rate went to $124.

After another 6 months, I was notified that the rate was going to $160 a month. I visited my Comcast store and the clerk configured my new rate to be roughly $130. To do that, she had to upgrade my two-item bundle to be a 3-bundle item (by adding landline phone and upgrading me to Blast! internet). Now, I haven't had a landline since 1999. I don't even own a phone that plugs into any wall-jack. But, to keep my rate stable, I swapped out my own cable-modem for their wacky telephone/modem combo. In one year, I never used the landline. But I still had what I considered a reasonable price for Blast! internet and mid-tier cable. I also still had on-demand HBO tossed in, but I couldn't watch "live" HBO.

A year later, I was notified that my $130 total was going to $160. At this point, I finally decided that I really needed to make a change. I analyzed what channels I had been watching and my viewing patterns. I decided to bite the bullet and make a change, so I downgraded to their $80 Blast! Internet and Digital Starter Tier. Sure, I lost 100+ channels, but the new setup still gives me 20 or so mainstream cable channels (USA, CNN, Comedy), the god/shopping/public access wasteland, and my local channels (including subchannels). Plus I get on-demand access to some random channels not in my package (MTV/VH1/TVLand/TBS/TNT) and all the mainstream channels in my package. I lost HBO on demand, but I only watched Bill Maher and Real Sports. I made the change on the day BEFORE Comcast announced their package for Blast!+Starter+HBO (for new customers only), so I imagine at some point, I may ask for HBO and see if they waive me in.

What did I lose?

ESPN. I am not a football fan, so am not missing the channel at all this time of year. In fact, I only really watched one half hour of ESPN regularly each week. I have watched the Sunday AM Sports Reporters for 20 years and will miss it. Once baseball begins again in April, I may upgrade. Then again, I may just opt for buying the Extra Innings or mlb.tv options.

Hockey. I have always been a fan and even bought the Center Ice package last year. My new package does not have NBCSN, Comcast California, or the NHL Network. The season is only a month old, but I think I won't really miss it until 2014 starts, at which point I may upgrade the cable portion, especially since much of the Winter Olympics will be carried on CNBC/MSNBC/NBCSN.

Bloomberg. Again, I only watched maybe an hour a week. Bloomberg puts all its programming online on-demand, so I will watch there.

MSNBC. This was a big one for me. The starter package includes CNN/Faux/RT, but not the Comcast-owned MSNBC. Yet I was only really watching an hour or so each day. But I can now stream the channel live via Comcast's own website or watch any prime time show on-demand (though msnbc still can't seem to load full episodes, instead making you watch segment by segment).

There are a handful of other programs on minor cable channels that I watched, but nearly all of them are found on-demand online.

Overall, I was probably watching 10 or so hours a week on those 100+ channels that I gave up. I figured to save $80 a month, I would gladly give up those 40 hours, especially since nearly all of the content could be found elsewhere (on demand or online). It's only been a week since the change went into effect and yes, it's not easy, but it's do-able.

Once 2014 arrives, I may shop around. I expect I will get deluged with Comcast for "deals" to upgrade. The Comcast infomercial advertising is always hawking "to watch channel X, upgrade for only $10 for 6 months" deals, so I will see how the next couple months go.
 
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I guess everyone is missing my point about picking your own channels. $25 a month for ESPN is completely reasonable for me because I wouldn't buy it at $1.00 a month. I wonder how many other people would buy it at that price. I still say, let us pick and chose our own channels. Let the strong survive.
 
Most channels would go off the air. You say you only want 6 channels? That could happen - except the only 6 channels left would be ones you wouldn't like
 
Well, if we connect the dots, perhaps a la carte cable would lead to the end of the ridiculous amounts of money spent on professional sports salaries. If ESPN could no longer commnand such a premium, then they couldn't pay the pro sports teams/leagues as much. That would have to lead to lower, more reasonable salaries in the sports realm (although it might bankrupt some cities whose taxpayers have subsidized lavish stadiums).
 
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