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The Wave Is Now "Smooth R&B"

Welll, I guess we knew it was coming... more changes at KTWV. It's clear they're still trying to hold onto as much of their Smooth Jazz audience as they can, while moving the format to a more Urban AC sound.

--Nearly all vocals are by African-American artists that cross over to pop. Many of the songs and artists are still the same from the Smooth Jazz days... Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Michael and Janet Jackson, Rhianna, Lionel Richie, Beyonce, Anita Baker, Sade. And a few Latin artists who also score on the pop charts. But almost no White artists who work in the rhythmic or jazz-flavored field. No Madonna, no Sting, no Basia. Bobby Caldwell's "What You Won't Do For Love" gets played but I think most listeners don't know he's white. They do play three Robin Thicke songs, after he had such a big hit this summer. The funny thing is Thicke used to get played as a Smooth Jazz vocalist, from his previous CDs.

--There are still two Smooth Jazz instrumentals per hour. That's down from three per hour a few months ago. So they're not totally changing the format as some previous Smooth Jazz stations have done, such as in Las Vegas and Phoenix. In this day and age, virtually no one plays instrumentals anymore. Even Oldies/Classic Hits and AC stations won't play instrumentals that WERE hits some years ago.

--The music still goes back to the 70s. EWF, Santana, Barry White, Donna Summer all get mixed in. So they're still going for the upper end of the 25-54 demo.

--On the DJ photos on the website, it looks like veteran evening host Keri Tombasian is missing. She's been with The Wave for decades. Sorry to see her go. In my opinion, she has the best voice of any female DJ in the business, and a very nice personality. She had even done mornings at one point in Wave history.

--Several new DJs have been added, all African-American men. (The Wave had all women hosts from 5am to Midnight for the last couple of years, with a couple of white male weekend/fill in DJs.)

--The jingles are still the same: "94-7 The Waaaaaave." But the DJs call it "Smooth R&B, 94-7 The Wave."

--The station's ratings haven't been bad. They hover between #8 and #12 in most ratings and get a boost during the Holidays by playing Christmas music, including jazz flavored and traditional Christmas songs from mid-November to Dec. 25. But David tells us the demos are really old and that's what counts.

Maybe this is a way to keep some memories of the old Wave alive, so that CBS doesn't pull the plug and switch to The Fan 94.7 Sportsradio.
 
Looking at their Facebook page some of their loyal listeners for years are not happy with the change. I noticed Saturday night when Greg Mack was on from 7 til 12am. That's usually Marina's slot (5-10pm) Brie wasn't on Sunday night either. I hope their still there.
 
KBLX in the Bay Area moved to this "Smooth R&B" positioning some time ago, and does decently. But this has actually been the station's format for many years - they were never really Smooth Jazz." Not sure about the demographic they're attracting though. If my large workplace is any indication (and I realize that's a logical leap), their popularity is primarily with listeners in their 50s and 60s who grew up in the 70s with Motown and soul music of that era.

For a long time, I noticed that KBLX's ratings were higher than their closest rival - Kiss-Fm (KISQ), but lately, KISQ seems to be ahead, and they've added a lot of 80s, 90s, and non R&B hits.
 
KJLH could use competition but do you really think that KTWV could claim heritage as an R&B station in Los Angeles. I hope it works out for them but like I said in the past Stevie Wonder will not nor will he ever back down.
 
Back Down?

KJLH could use competition but do you really think that KTWV could claim heritage as an R&B station in Los Angeles. I hope it works out for them but like I said in the past Stevie Wonder will not nor will he ever back down.


"Back Down?" how can one "Back Down" when you are being "Run Over" by your peers. KJLH is not even in the picture in it's current state. KTWV, KHHT and KDAY feed off KJLH like Sharks to Blood
 
"Back Down?" how can one "Back Down" when you are being "Run Over" by your peers. KJLH is not even in the picture in it's current state. KTWV, KHHT and KDAY feed off KJLH like Sharks to Blood

This thread misses entirely the point.

KTWV, to succeed, has to get most of it's listening from Hispanic and non-Hispanic whites.

LA has a shrinking and less than 8% African American population, and that group alone can't be the base for KTWV under the premise that not all Blacks like the same kind of music.

Since "true" urban AC stations tend to have over 90% Black listenership, KTWV can't be a true urban AC. It would get less than what Radio One was getting before they sold to Bonneville. KTWV has to be an r&b flavored AC station that will get very large Hispanic listening and some listening from "other" (to use NA's term).

KTWV is not "going after" KJLH. KJLH is a core targeted adult urban station, with a limited signal. It has essentially no Hispanic or Other listening.

KHHT has more than 50% Hispanic listeners... it does not feed off of KJLH. Even KDAY is 75% non-African American in listenership. Again, it competes in a broader market segment that is predominantly Hispanic. By contrast, KJLH's audience is about 2% Hispanic.
 
KBLX in the Bay Area moved to this "Smooth R&B" positioning some time ago, and does decently. But this has actually been the station's format for many years - they were never really Smooth Jazz." Not sure about the demographic they're attracting though. If my large workplace is any indication (and I realize that's a logical leap), their popularity is primarily with listeners in their 50s and 60s who grew up in the 70s with Motown and soul music of that era.

For a long time, I noticed that KBLX's ratings were higher than their closest rival - Kiss-Fm (KISQ), but lately, KISQ seems to be ahead, and they've added a lot of 80s, 90s, and non R&B hits.

KBLX targeted the Bay Area originally as an AC long before the radio format term was official. In the 80s into the 90s it mainly played soft R&B, smooth jazz, and some soft pop titles to gain a wide audience. When the 90s came, KBLX went more into an urban ac direction at a time when longtime urban KSOL flipped to KYLD, and KMEL was emerging as an R&B station (with a strong focus on hip hop) although it took awhile to shed its Top 40/CHR image. KBLX retains its format but under a change of ownership last year it added more 90s titles that KMEL no longer touches.
 
The DJ's seem to play a big part. For instance, you could play KJLH music and add just a little old school and dance. If you have mostly Hispanic DJ's you will get many Hispanic listeners. Same with black and white as well. I think who the listeners identify with.....Art Bell and Steve Harvey could play the same music, but blacks would listen to Harvey and Hispanics Bell.
 
Art Bell and Steve Harvey could play the same music, but blacks would listen to Harvey and Hispanics Bell.


Why would Hispanics go to Art Bell?

In fact, Steve Harvey does fairly well with Hispanics in quite a few major Hispanic markets.
 
I have listened to his show here in Phoenix. Most of the people that call in to his show are Hispanic. I can tell by their accent.
 


Oh, Lord protect us from stereotypes and...

Well sorry if it offends. As a black guy, A comment based on how I sound is not offensive, its just a fact. I know most blacks sound different than other races(I said most not ALL, same as other races). I don't find that offensive if someone of another race said it, any more than Urban AC(black music) is not a viable format because there aren't enough black population...lol ...Thats probably another fact....A negative stereo-type is more of my concern, I guess you can view how you like to see it...
 
Well sorry if it offends. As a black guy, A comment based on how I sound is not offensive, its just a fact. I know most blacks sound different than other races(I said most not ALL, same as other races). I don't find that offensive if someone of another race said it, any more than Urban AC(black music) is not a viable format because there aren't enough black population...lol ...Thats probably another fact....A negative stereo-type is more of my concern, I guess you can view how you like to see it...

There's some truth in that. There's an announcer on KQED-FM that I have heard for a couple of years now. She has a very nice voice, and it occurred to me that she was probably African-American. She speaks "the King's English" as my father used to say - there is nothing about her accent that would lead you to believe she was necessarily black. But something about the tonal quality of her voice made me think of many of the African-American women I work with. So I checked KQED's website, and she is indeed African-American.

Often, Latino males have a certain cadence to their voice, even if they were born in the USA and have no accent.
 
There's some truth in that. There's an announcer on KQED-FM that I have heard for a couple of years now. She has a very nice voice, and it occurred to me that she was probably African-American. She speaks "the King's English" as my father used to say - there is nothing about her accent that would lead you to believe she was necessarily black. But something about the tonal quality of her voice made me think of many of the African-American women I work with. So I checked KQED's website, and she is indeed African-American.

Often, Latino males have a certain cadence to their voice, even if they were born in the USA and have no accent.

You Mean Michelle Hennigan the PM announcer during the NPR simulcast of PBS Newshour and KPCC's Marketplace by APM.
 
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