The other thing we used to get was on radio: Good marching music seemed to be a choice for theme music, or as they say in radio today "Bumper Music" for newscasts and other local broadcasts including the farm news on rural radio stations. By the time we got to school, Marching Band music seemed to be part of Americana in our fertile little minds. I still think of marching band music as 'the common peoples classical music'.
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Why is There No Classical Music Forum?
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The other thing we used to get was on radio: Good marching music seemed to be a choice for theme music, or as they say in radio today "Bumper Music" for newscasts and other local broadcasts including the farm news on rural radio stations. By the time we got to school, Marching Band music seemed to be part of Americana in our fertile little minds. I still think of marching band music as 'the common peoples classical music'.
many of the classical music stations use repeaters and auxiliary transmitters to get the signal out. In southern California KUSC has four additional transmitters. You can listen to them from San Luis Obispo to Palm Springs. MPR blankets the state of Minnesota and I believe they even have a translator in Idaho. Even our local station here in New Mexico has a couple of translators. And in Boston, the puny signal of WCRB is carried on WGBH HD-2 as is KMZT (AM) on KKGO HD-2. HD-2 may be the future of classical music on the radio.
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At least outside of SW Connecticut, WMNR and WJMF coverage of the state seem to be a little on the optimistic side. In scanning the dial near Hartford I have never heard WMNRs 8 watt translator. I am not even sure they put a city grade signal over all of Hartford. It certainly does not put a signal over northern Connecticut the way WFCR does. I usually end up on WFCR. Next time I will have to check the WFCR HD-2.
I am looking for a classical signal that has the coverage area of say, WMHT in Schenectady, or WGBH HD-2 in Boston. Or even as WJMF covers Rhode Island.
I am looking for a classical signal that has the coverage area of say, WMHT in Schenectady, or WGBH HD-2 in Boston. Or even as WJMF covers Rhode Island.
There is a low-power station in Bow, NH with classical music, they are re-broadcast on the HD-2 of WEVO Concord, NH, but not on any other NHPR signals. I wonder why? In Vermont VPR has a secondary network which is classical. And folks, don't confuse classical with classic, classic is something different.
That is true from what I can see classical music in Hartford would be hard to pick up. The 91.9 translator from WMNR is on the west side so the central and east side will not have a good signal. And WFCR's 88.5 HD2 signal probably drops out just just north of Hartford in a car. It would likely only come in with a big outdoor antenna at home. If someone lived in Hartford Sirius/XM would probably be the best option in the car for classical except if one lived and worked only on the west side.
On occasion I become a 'thread jacker' and I am not offended or troubled by this new trail, but the original poster was asking about the viability of COMMERCIAL stations carrying classical music and suddenly we are having a census of NCE stations that do classical music.
Ths WAS a thread more about the ability of commercial stations to survive in the market. Are the NCEs making it impractical for the commercial stations?
Ths WAS a thread more about the ability of commercial stations to survive in the market. Are the NCEs making it impractical for the commercial stations?
Original post ... "I noticed most of the genres have a subforum. Could we start a separate forum for classical music? My guess is, there isn't enough interest in the genre to begin with? " Doesn't say anything about commercial or NCE. Maybe this has become the de facto forum for classical music since most of the classical music stations nowadays are NCE.
And, BTW, living where I do, most of my classical music listening is on Sirius/XM. But I need to do a check when I get a chance to make sure the classical music channels are really stereo.
And, BTW, living where I do, most of my classical music listening is on Sirius/XM. But I need to do a check when I get a chance to make sure the classical music channels are really stereo.
I realise our radio scenes are different, but Classic FM gets its very considerable audience despite competition from a well funded BBC network (radio 3) with national coverage.
I'm a big fan of the BBC, but I vastly prefer commercial station Classic FM to the stuffy, elitist Radio Three. And so do many another people - Classic gets more than twice Radio 3's audience
No. Classical music disappeared for the same reason smooth jazz did. Not enough listeners in saleable demos.
By the way: this is the same reason why NCE stations have been moving away from 24-hour classical programming: the donors are literally dying off. A survey in 2012 found that the average NCE classical listener was 68 years old.
I understand that is the conventional wisdom within the ranks of broadcasters and broadcast fans. But I am having trouble accepting that wisdom and being sound.
I pulled a book off my shelf to re-read it before gifting it to my adult daughter. LEAN THINKING by James Womack and Dan Jones. Detroit for years and years set the conventgional wisdom for the automobile industry. Then along came Toyota and kicked their butts and today we see something of a non-conventional Detroit at work.
My strangely-wired-little-brain says today's broadcasting industry is in the same boat Detroit was in back in the late 1980s. My daughter works in the hospital industry as a planner. Our hospitals are in the process of moving from 1980 Detroit kind of thinking to 21st Century thinking.
Why not broadcasting? What would it look like? ...er... SOUND like. We have broadcast channels that are grinding out 'tapioca pudding' programming content that nobody likes. Why can't they grind out small-audience special content that someone likes? Is there a new 21st Century style for broadcasting they haven't stumbled into yet?
Do you have an HD radio? Do you find the 'fine thai cuisine' you're thinking about there? Most of the HD music channels are automated and many are dedicated to a style of music that doesn't have its own station such as Americana ... soft AC ... classic country ... classical ... AAA.
Wouldn't a survey taken in 2002 or 1992 find pretty much the same thing? I'm 58 and have only started listening to classical music to any great extent in the past five years. Its slower pace and greater range and complexity appeal to someone who's pretty much heard it all in terms of popular music. I still have my favorite artists and songs from the '60s through today, but after nearly 50 years of rock, pop, soul and country, I'm looking for something more substantial. Isn't this how (and when) most classical listeners come to classical music, or have those 68-year-olds really been listening to it since their teen years?
No. A study conducted by the John S. and James L. Knight foundation in 2002 in 15 major cities found that the average "occasional" classical radio listener was 46, but the average "regular" listener was 55. So what appears to have happened is the elimination of the "sometimes" listeners, probably by pulling back on availability (how many stations air classical now in a given market? how many hours per week? in 2002?)
"Flesh out" what you are saying here. Are you trying to tell us there are surveys that show 92% of the public LIKES the programming status of broadcasting today?
Is it possible what the numbers tell us is that even though a lot of people are highly disappointed with what comes out of the speakers and headphones, some how or another 92% of them reportedly end up listing at least once every week... even if just for 10 or 15 minutes... whether they like it or not?
I've lived through all but the very earliest of radio's so-called Golden Eras, and I would have trouble accepting a statement that at any one time in the history of broadcasting that 92% of the population LIKED the content, the state of radio.
Trying to find reliable data of deafness in our country is a bit of a fools errand because there are so many definitions of who can and cannot hear (or hear well enough to 'function'). It looks like may 6% of our population may not have the ability to listen to radio. But 92% LIKE it?
Some "experts" on radio who post here that I have great confidence in tell us repeatedly that radio has no place for listeners over 55. Thus there is no programming aimed at people 55 or older for all practical purposes. According to the 2010 Census, 18.5% of Americans are 60 or older. Radio has no interest in or use for people that are 18.5% of the population, but you tell us 92% of the people are happy with radio every week.
As we say out here in the rural South: "I may have been born at night.... but it wasn't LAST night."
I'm presuming that if they don't like it, they won't listen. I know that I don't go out of my way to listen to something I don't like!
I'm with you there; I also don't go out of my way to watch or listen to anything I don't like..... but that being said, sometimes you can be in a captive audience situation or in a situation, where the building you work in blocks out all but the strongest 4 or 5 FM signals (as well as all the AM signals and cell phone signals) and streaming is blocked on the work computers; in a situation like that, if you just want something to block out the background noise, you'll just pick the station you find least objectionable!
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