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SESAC - how many oldies songs do they represent?

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Seems that SESAC wasn't even in the game in the 50's and 60's - they were still mainly a European organization. My research shows that most oldies are ASCAP, a smaller number are BMI, and almost none are SESAC. I asked a SESAC rep this and all she could keep saying was "we have Neil Diamond and Bob Dylan". Anybody ever study this?
 
That's what I've heard too, so Diamond written Monkees songs are out as are all those Dylan cover tunes of the 60s...along with anything they sang (Sweet Caroline, Rainy Day Women, etc.)
 
Back in the 1960s, jocking the hits with vinyl 45s on turntables, I always checked the labels for all kinds of credits. Virtually every hit played through the entire decade had a publisher with ASCAP or BMI credits. The only place I even saw SESAC was on production library music on 33s. Later, working with other formats (needed a job!), especially background/elevator/beautiful music, I would see some SESAC credits on some labels (like a Mantovani album). Also while with AFRTS for my military service, I got to do a pop music wake-up, and then later a daily one hour Country show. I remember a few Country currents then showing SESAC.
 
ASCAP has much of the oldies format, with BMI trailing. SESAC isn't even on the radar - I need them to have a per program license like the others do.
 
I run a class 4 oldies station. SESAC has tried to get me to buy. We put every song into their online "system" Neil Diamond and Bob Dylan composed songs were it. I like the songs, but it works out to over a buck a play (quote 132/ month) with an escalator. If I remember, 1 Monkees, 1 Turtles, maybe 1 Kinks? The truth is, you will not notice them missing, but does hurt a little
 
I recall a LOT of C&W in the 80's was SESAC. One for sure, the original release of "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer" Elmo & Patsy! They would publish ANYTHING.
 
amfmsw said:
I recall a LOT of C&W in the 80's was SESAC. One for sure, the original release of "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer" Elmo & Patsy! They would publish ANYTHING.

That's what I remember about SESAC, too -- lots of credits on country records during the late '80s/early '90s boom. Not being in the business, I'd never heard of it and assumed it was some sort of regional publishing organization, with the "SE" probably standing for "South East."
 
SESAC owns a lot of Christmas Music, and, the one musical theme that many morning shows could not do without in the sixties, seventies, and eighties, "Happy Birthday To You".
 
CTListener said:
amfmsw said:
I recall a LOT of C&W in the 80's was SESAC. One for sure, the original release of "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer" Elmo & Patsy! They would publish ANYTHING.

That's what I remember about SESAC, too -- lots of credits on country records during the late '80s/early '90s boom. Not being in the business, I'd never heard of it and assumed it was some sort of regional publishing organization, with the "SE" probably standing for "South East."

Southeast Europe was closer... ;D
 
When I started at WBBS back in '77, as it was going downhill financially, one day a box appeared in the studio and we were supposed to put in the box any SEASAC 45s we came across when pulling oldies because they didn't want to/couldn't afford to pay them any more.

I remember a few records being in there but couldn't tell you which ones to save my life.

And I got RIF'ed shortly thereafter anyway.
 
SESAC represents composers. They are not involved with sound recording copyrights to my knowledge. Latter is the ℗ you see on a cd, not the c which is for the musical copyright which is what SESAC administers. That means if Bob Dylan wrote a song and someone else sings it, that SESAC administers the royalties for the composition. Like for Jimi Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower"--guess who wrote that. When Dion DiMucci was Bob Dylan's labelmate at Columbia he was one of the first major rock & roll artists to sing a Dylan composition, "What's All Over Now Baby blue?" A plethora of singers have since sang it and the Dylan compositions are ubiquitous.

An anecdote may be illustrative and perhaps helpful as I am just guessing at the reason behind the question: About 10 years ago, a dj friend of mind said he had a problem and asked me if I knew anything about SESAC. I did as I had represented ASCAP in a case. He said a SESAC rep had come into the upscale strip club where he worked when the owner was there and asked him about SESAC royalties. Rep said they had been sending notices, and owner said he did pay BMI and ASCAP monthly and had thrown away the SESAC notices since the club did not play SESAC songs. Rep said "Oh yes you do, and if you do not pay and we find out we will sue you not only for the royalties but for penalties and attorneys fees. Owner then told all the djs to be sure not to play SESAC songs and if anyone did and was caught he would be fired--and owner was a jerk an would have and did not understand the enormity of a problem he was foisting on the djs. Friend said he had been looking for ASCAP on his cds, and alot had nothing at all re that (BMI or ASCAP neither) and digital files were no use. I said it was a lot like sifting fly feces from papper wasn't it. He said yes. I advised that they do have web site with look up features and you could look up each track on a cd or all your digital files. I said my practical not legal advice was that you familiarize yourself with the names of the Bob Dylan compositions as everyone (even Jimi Hendrix) had recorded them, don't play hillbilly music or songs by artists whom you did know wrote for SESAC and just not worry about the thing. Advised that he should worry about probabilities or halfway likely possibilities but not remote possibilities, life was too short. DJ was a geek and too conscientious and tried to do look ups, then tried to talk to owners wife about this. Eventuallty he followed my advice. This is not legal advise, but hope it helps someone.
 
Just curious...Is there an online master data base where you can plug in title and artist, or even writer if you have it, and find out which music licensing organization controls that particular song/composition? I remember filling out the paper logs while on-the-air, hated every minute of that crap! One station where I worked basically made up a special log for that one week only, which really didn't reflect what we usually played the other 51 weeks of the year. They were just too lazy to look up all of the regular songs and their licensing.
 
All three have a search feature. they also show who is licensed thru an overseas agency.
 
Just curious...Is there an online master data base where you can plug in title and artist, or even writer if you have it, and find out which music licensing organization controls that particular song/composition? I remember filling out the paper logs while on-the-air, hated every minute of that crap! One station where I worked basically made up a special log for that one week only, which really didn't reflect what we usually played the other 51 weeks of the year. They were just too lazy to look up all of the regular songs and their licensing.

Here you go....

http://www.bmi.com/search

https://www.ascap.com/Home/ace-title-search/index.aspx

http://www.sesac.com/Repertory/Terms.aspx
 
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