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Continental Automotive vs. Ibiquity

As reported in Radio World late last week http://www.radioworld.com/article/ibiquity-continental-fight-over-licensing/270557 , an interesting little snit has developed between iBiquity and one of their receiver licensees. Since Radio World only skimmed the surface of the story, I'm posting some source material so that you can better understand some of the issues in more depth.

It seems that there is a longstanding difference of opinion between Continental Automotive and iBiquity, the details of which are mostly not public. This led to the filing of a lawsuit in State court in Maryland earlier this year. But, because it was filed under seal, the complaint and the reply are also not public.

The first public document was a lawsuit filed in Federal court in Illinois, which you can read here: http://members.wap.org/jhardis/20140319_Continental_Complaint.pdf . Continental has a several complaints (and you can read them all yourself), but I'll focus on two of them.

First, Continental complains that iBiquity's standard license agreement for receiver manufacturers requires a royalty payment that's a percentage of the entire price of the head-end unit, including all other functions in addition to HD Radio. That is, if the head-end unit also has a navigation system, iBiquity demands a royalty on the navigation system. If the head-end unit also has a back-up camera, iBiquity demands a royalty on the backup camera. Same with Bluetooth, WiFi, telematics, cellular connectivity ... anything. If it's in the same device along with the HD Radio receiver, iBiquity demands a royalty on entire cost of the device. Continental complains that this is not "reasonable," in keeping with iBiquity's commitment and responsibility to license on "reasonable and non-discriminatory" (RAND) terms.

Second, Continental complains about something called Patent Exhaustion. This goes back to a 2007/2008 Supreme Court case, Quanta Computer Inc. v. LG Electronics. "Patent Exhaustion" is a legal doctrine that a patent holder only has rights over the first sale of an item covered by a patent. So, what happens when the patent is embodied in an electronic chip (or subassembly) that is properly licensed, and then used as a component in a larger product? Does the patent also apply to the maker of the larger product—like the radio itself that contains an HDR integrated circuit?

In the Supreme Court case, iBiquity filed an Amicus Curiae brief in support of LG Electronics. https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/quanta_v_lg/06-937bsaciBiquityDigitalCorporation.pdf The brief explains their business model, and how they count on getting IP licenses from both the chip company and the radio company—and how this was important to them. They also explain how they structure their licenses to try to avoid patent exhaustion. However, in the underlying case, the Supreme Court came down hard—in a unanimous ruling—in support of the principle of patent exhaustion. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-937.pdf (While this case involved computer chips, the precedent cited involved eyeglass lenses.)

In the initial complaint, Continental does not lay out in detail what their "patent exhaustion" argument might be. Nonetheless, depending on how far they might want to push this, it potentially can get very interesting.

By the way, iBiquity, in their first bite at the apple in response to Continental's suit, asked that the court throw it out on technicalities. http://members.wap.org/jhardis/20140519_Motion_to_Dismiss.pdf They have not yet answered (given their arguments) on the merits Continental's complaints.
 
Of course they're greedy. By definition, for profit companies are all about greed.

They should be charging licensing fees on the chips themselves, not based on the value of the headunits those chips go in to. Based on what little I know and the facts at hand, that is a clear violation of RAND.

This whole "license everything and collect fees from both ends" (consumer equipment maker and the broadcaster) is asinine and is one of many things that is holding up further HD deployment. If they fight this tooth and nail, they'll be cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
 
Thank you, Jonathan, for posting those links.

After reading Iniquity Digital’s amicus brief and skimming the decision in Quanta, I decided to look up the "Exhaustion Doctrine" on Wikipedia. The Wikipedia entry mentioned General Talking Pictures Corp. v. Western Elec. Co. (304 U.S. 175), so I looked at that, too.

In my opinion, the Supreme Court’s majority opinion supporting Western Electric was wrong, and Justice Black’s dissent was right. The Quanta decision, in fact, echoes Black’s reasoning.

Nevertheless, that wrongly decided precedent could be cited by Iniquity in this suit. I hope that today’s federal courts will see that the Quanta decision is the only sensible one.
 
Very interesting...I wonder if the FCC will ever reconsider its hands-off position regarding iBiquity's licensing scheme?
 
I would bet the current commissioners don't even know about it.

You're probably right...the FCC is using a 1960s-era policy on IP to give iBiquity's business model a pass. Of course, that was back in 2002....
 
Why is protecting what is yours "greed"?

Oh, I get it, it's greed when you don't like the party suing?

For profit companies are about...(wait for it)....profit!

Can we talk about the mechanics of dealing with a dilemma and skip the politics... maybe skip the religion?

When you study history and when you study religion, you find the question of "What is a reasonable return on investment?" Wars have been fought. The Vatican at one time was relocated... or should that say: The place where the Pope headquartered" was relocated. Kingdoms were overthrown. New nations were formed. And underneath much of history is this ongoing discussion: What is a proper amount to pay for labor, the sweat of the brow? What is a proper amount to pay for risk and invested capital? The Judeo-Christian writings (sometimes called Scripture) are full of narratives on the topic. I haven't read it for myself but if I were to acquire a Muslim Koran, I would expect teachings would be recorded there giving some guidance on this topic. The Boston Tea Party revolved around similar issues though we use the word taxes instead of profits.... but who is going to profit was underneath the government action of taxation.

In reading this thread, I guess I would side with the folks who say: If I own ONE patent (say the Ibiquity digital radio, why should should I expect a royalty on other devices living inside the same box (the car radio and appendages.) Would you in the name of "Profits are God" suggest that actually Ibuquity is entitle to a royalty on the value of the tires and the engine and the automatic transmission that transport the Ibiquity box around town? Somewhere the question expands until we could probably ALL agree "Now you are getting rediculous".

I understand the patent for the mouse. I have a hard time going to sleep at night when I ponder the idea that some company said: If you only click the mouse ONCE, we own that. You can click it twice or three times or a hundred times. But it took a lot of risk on our point to demonstrate that you could in some cases make the computer do something with just one single mouse click, so WE OWN that little part of the world. (In fairness, I assume that example and argument has been blown out of proportion. It is NOT clicking the mouse ONCE that someone ownes, but the verbiage of describing the transaction as being a "single click transaction" is what they own.)

Those of us get get annoyed now and then do not automatically declare ourselves to be some incestual blend of communism and socialism for questioning such foolishness.

As talking fans of the radio industry, we have to wonder out loud: Would Ibiquity.... over the long run, make more money if they reduced their upfront profits so that the usage of their patent was acquired by more and more and more people. Or is Ibiquity smart to grab all the money they can RIGHT NOW because in a very short time, the use of their patent will go down to zero or near zero. (How could that happen? Everybody dumps broadcasting and moves to on-line. Then the guy who claims he owns the rights to Podcasting sends his lawyers calling. And lets face it... the guy who came up with the idea of one person making a recording available with regularity on the Internet to people who own a pocket sized playback device must have drained profuse amounts of sweat for 30 or 40 years and risked his entire fortune to invent The Podcast. He deserves every cent he ever earns. He is the ultimate good-guy in our capitalistic system.
 
As talking fans of the radio industry, we have to wonder out loud: Would Ibiquity.... over the long run, make more money if they reduced their upfront profits so that the usage of their patent was acquired by more and more and more people.

I suggested that a long time ago. Most software developers today give their stuff away. You want to get consumers hooked. Like Windows. Once consumers try it and like it, you've got them for life.

Most people have never even tried HD. If HD radios had been standard equipment in all cars, things would be different. But when HD was being developed, car companies were making millions from XM and Sirius, so they weren't going to give dash board space to a competitor. Especially one that was demanding a rights fee up front. That was the death of HD. Out of the box. The technology doesn't matter. The Microsoft OS is inferior to Apple, but we all got Microsoft for free. That almost killed Apple, until they came up with some other products that ensured their future. Unless iBiquity comes up with HD version 2 that simplifies the reception, and allows consumers to enjoy digital AM & FM without buying new radios, they're dead.
 
It's greed when you are trying to collect money on something that is not yours, in fact it is illegal.

Is it greed when the "something" is in dispute? Or is it operating in good faith?

Is it greed when you believe that it IS in fact yours? Or is it operating in good faith.

You used the word "greed" because someone disputed a patent? When no court has said it is not theirs?

You've heard of patent trolls, right? I would think that a patent troll is more guilty of "greed" than someone who uses something they believe they have the right to.
 
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Is it greed when the "something" is in dispute? Or is it operating in good faith?

Is it greed when you believe that it IS in fact yours? Or is it operating in good faith.

You used the word "greed" because someone disputed a patent? When no court has said it is not theirs?

You've heard of patent trolls, right? I would think that a patent troll is more guilty of "greed" than someone who uses something they believe they have the right to.

ibiquity not only wants dough for their patent but they want a part of the whole entertainment system, I'd call that greed. In this country with enough money you can sue anyone for any frivolous reason you want, just because ibiquity takes advantage of that, does that make the them not greedy? Patent trolls ARE greedy and are trying to game the system but that is not the case here. ibiquity is trying to get money for something which is not theirs, the only thing they own is the idea behind their lousy system.
 
However, Continental agreed to all that when they bought the license. Morale: Read the small print.

Yup and they finally decided to sue which they initiated several months ago causing ibiquity to try to muddy the waters with their suit.
 
By the way, iBiquity, in their first bite at the apple in response to Continental's suit, asked that the court throw it out on technicalities.

Continental has responded to iBiquity's Motion to Dismiss, and in the process revealed some previously confidential details about iBiquity's receiver licensing terms. http://members.wap.org/jhardis/20140612_Response_to_Motion_to_Dismiss.pdf

I once heard it said, cynically, that the main purpose for a Motion to Dismiss is for the lawyer to run up the bill. (A less cynical view is that it helps the judge to understand the facts of the case better.) Since it is a routine (and usually unsuccessful) motion, it's a bit surprising that press coverage on the present Motion sounded so triumphant. In any event, you can now read Continental's answer to iBiquity's motion. I note that iBiquity has not yet answered Continental's allegations on their merits (which they would only do if the suit survives the motion to dismiss).

In the present filing, Continental claims that iBiquity's royalty fee for receiver manufacturers is 4% of "aggregate total gross invoiced sales," though not less than $1 per receiver nor more than $6 per receiver. For high-end receivers, "everyone pays $6 per radio.''

- Jonathan
 
However, Continental agreed to all that when they bought the license. Morale: Read the small print.

Very true. This is a story about the third-largest OEM parts supplier to the automotive industry trying to squeeze some cost by reinterpreting the fine print on a small-fry in the glass dashboard. And iBiquity did sue first, in Maryland state court (home jurisdiction), after Continental suspended payments. Continental is trying to muddy the waters and/or provide itself with leverage as things move forward in Maryland.

For Continental, this is not high-stakes stuff, but for iBiquity, it's a direct attack on its business model. It also may be why it took the company so long to intervene in the patent troll case. That should be a slam-dunk.
 
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(See my blog.) Continental is trying to muddy the waters and/or provide itself with leverage as things move forward in Maryland.

It's usually not a good idea to presume motivations. You're suggesting that Continental is insincere in their two major complaints, that Quanta Computer v. LG Electronics has cast new light on the strength and applicability of the patent exhaustion doctrine, and that certain terms in the standard contract cross the line on what's "reasonable."

- Jonathan
 
I agree, that may be a motivator in this suit. But this is also a lot like Wal-Mart trying to squeeze its suppliers to cut costs in order to maximize its profits. Both are threats to iBiquity's business model.
 
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