The only logical solution for plj is??

[hangman]

To go full blown Alternative; keep the PLJ calls because New Yorkers know them as Rock, the days of Tony Pigg and the other Rock jocks of PLJ's past, they were a true Rocker. It won't hurt if they went Alternative; what is the problem, just do it, they cannot do any worst then they are doing now, they can only get better with Alternative. The Urban and Hispanic ethnics have their sound flooding the NYC dial, now its time for "US" to have it our way, its downright unfair to deprive a certain class of people their music when others have theirs all over the dial. If not that, than Nash on 95.5 and Alternative on 94.7. The largest city in the country and most popular in the world, and the city that gave birth to Rock, without a Rock outlet is a downright disgrace.

 

[chrocket87]

*Buzzer*

 

[mikerock]

To go full blown Alternative; keep the PLJ calls because New Yorkers know them as Rock, the days of Tony Pigg and the other Rock jocks of PLJ's past, they were a true Rocker. It won't hurt if they went Alternative; what is the problem, just do it, they cannot do any worst then they are doing now, they can only get better with Alternative. The Urban and Hispanic ethnics have their sound flooding the NYC dial, now its time for "US" to have it our way, its downright unfair to deprive a certain class of people their music when others have theirs all over the dial. If not that, than Nash on 95.5 and Alternative on 94.7. The largest city in the country and most popular in the world, and the city that gave birth to Rock, without a Rock outlet is a downright disgrace.

^Exactly.

 

[TheBigA]

Going Alternative won't improve their ratings one bit. They might as well stay with what they've got.

At its peak, RXP had a 2 share, and that's what PLJ has now. So why change?

 

[davideduardo]

Going Alternative won't improve their ratings one bit. They might as well stay with what they've got.

At its peak, RXP had a 2 share, and that's what PLJ has now. So why change?

Plus, new alternative launches like Atlanta and Philly have very low power ratios. It seems that heritage stations like KROQ do very well, but new comers have trouble monetizing the format, the demos and the perception of the listener lifestyle by buyers.

 

[briancraig]

While NYC was very important in the development of rock, it is definitely not "the city that gave birth to rock."

 

[unmanned]

Plus, new alternative launches like Atlanta and Philly have very low power ratios. It seems that heritage stations like KROQ do very well, but new comers have trouble monetizing the format, the demos and the perception of the listener lifestyle by buyers.

If you had your way you would kill off all the Rock formats of any kind and replace them with some sort of an urban/dance/hip hop format, which is declining and failing in all parts of the country. After all, Rock has no listeners and no advertisers and is DEAD. FYI.. WRFF has been the highest rated CC station in the Philly market for 7 years since their launch, but I guess you would of preferred them to stay Hispanic WUBA and fail as long as it suits your lifestyle. You think its fair for all the video channels to be Urban and not one Rock cable outlet, from all the MTV outlets to FUSE, name one full time Rock/Alternative channel, if it were the other way around you all would be rioting in the streets.

 

[SomeOtherGuy]

no rock?

If you had your way you would kill off all the Rock formats of any kind and replace them with some sort of an urban/dance/hip hop format, which is declining and failing in all parts of the country. After all, Rock has no listeners and no advertisers and is DEAD. FYI.. WRFF has been the highest rated CC station in the Philly market for 7 years since their launch, but I guess you would of preferred them to stay Hispanic WUBA and fail as long as it suits your lifestyle. You think its fair for all the video channels to be Urban and not one Rock cable outlet, from all the MTV outlets to FUSE, name one full time Rock/Alternative channel, if it were the other way around you all would be rioting in the streets.

Yes,and Philly is an Urban Market ,so go figure......
I myself would love to see it change to new rock or Old school hip hop and I am Caucasian!
Anything programmed wrong is going to fail,any format! It just needs to be managed correctly.

 

[412Center]

Going Alternative won't improve their ratings one bit. They might as well stay with what they've got.

At its peak, RXP had a 2 share, and that's what PLJ has now. So why change?

ahaha You know alternative fans on this board get a alternative station that fails then their favorite quote is "It wasnt programmed right" "this doesnt sound like K-rock". Let them dream on because it is not going to happen in nyc

 

[412Center]

If you had your way you would kill off all the Rock formats of any kind and replace them with some sort of an urban/dance/hip hop format, which is declining and failing in all parts of the country. After all, Rock has no listeners and no advertisers and is DEAD. FYI.. WRFF has been the highest rated CC station in the Philly market for 7 years since their launch, but I guess you would of preferred them to stay Hispanic WUBA and fail as long as it suits your lifestyle. You think its fair for all the video channels to be Urban and not one Rock cable outlet, from all the MTV outlets to FUSE, name one full time Rock/Alternative channel, if it were the other way around you all would be rioting in the streets.

Alternate just does not work in nyc no matter how much u love that format

 

[412Center]

If you had your way you would kill off all the Rock formats of any kind and replace them with some sort of an urban/dance/hip hop format, which is declining and failing in all parts of the country. After all, Rock has no listeners and no advertisers and is DEAD. FYI.. WRFF has been the highest rated CC station in the Philly market for 7 years since their launch, but I guess you would of preferred them to stay Hispanic WUBA and fail as long as it suits your lifestyle. You think its fair for all the video channels to be Urban and not one Rock cable outlet, from all the MTV outlets to FUSE, name one full time Rock/Alternative channel, if it were the other way around you all would be rioting in the streets.

You must not be from new york. Theres more alternative fans in philly then new york. new york is an urban city.

 

[hangman]

You must not be from new york. Theres more alternative fans in philly then new york. new york is an urban city.

That is just my point, Philly is a Rock/Alternative town, but there is a good share of Urban formats, so why not have a Rock oriented format in an Urban town like NYC, which still has to be proven to me that its not a Rock city. There are cities all over the country that have all type formats, no matter what the city mostly embraces. There are some cities where Country is King, but you still have Urban, Hispanic and Rock formats, on the other hand, there are Urban loving metros, where Country, Hispanic and Rock still exist on the dial and Rock dominant areas where Hispanic, Urban and Country are alive and well, all formats co-exist. So why is the NYC Rock lover being deprived of the format they want to hear, without having to rely on the Internet or Satellite, just because some suits conclude Rock is taboo in the Apple, come on now, how many stations playing some sort of Urban can you have on the dial.

 

[mikerock]

That is just my point, Philly is a Rock/Alternative town, but there is a good share of Urban formats, so why not have a Rock oriented format in an Urban town like NYC, which still has to be proven to me that its not a Rock city. There are cities all over the country that have all type formats, no matter what the city mostly embraces. There are some cities where Country is King, but you still have Urban, Hispanic and Rock formats, on the other hand, there are Urban loving metros, where Country and Rock still exist on the dial and Rock dominant areas where Hispanic, Urban and Country are alive and well, all formats co-exist...So just because you say NYC is not a Rock town, does that give anyone the right to void any type of Rock oriented format and condemn it. If one said hey Philly is a Rock town, so all the stations should go Rock no Urban formats on the dial, the riots would begin immediately, so why the block in the Apple. You Rock haters and Urban lovers, just don't get it, you want everything your way or no way, look at all this hype about WFAS, its like you are all in heaven because another Urbanic format is on the way....Is this normal....

Exactly. To add, despite non-white male and female artists are represented in Alternative, I believe there is a perception it is a white male format and that the format will attract only white males. It sounds like the format is being wrongly stereotyped and I believe what we have is kind of a form of soft racism against white males from commenters and decision makers that oppose diversity on the airwaves in NYC.

 

[hangman]

Exactly. To add, despite non-white male and female artists are represented in Alternative, I believe there is a perception it is a white male format and that the format will attract only white males. It sounds like the format is being wrongly stereotyped and I believe what we have is kind of a form of soft racism against white males from commenters and decision makers that oppose diversity on the airwaves in NYC.

You are a bit too gentle, it is downright Racism against white males and some white females. I know if a market unloaded all the Urban formats all hell would break loose and the Race Card would be played non-stop. But as usual to be politically correct, its OK to deprive a certain race of their music and its fine and dandy, and remember not all Caucacians love Rock/Alternative many love Urban.

 

[davideduardo]

You are a bit too gentle, it is downright Racism against white males and some white females. I know if a market unloaded all the Urban formats all hell would break loose and the Race Card would be played non-stop.

Funny, but I did not see much uproar when Emmis LMAed it's Urban station to ESPN, which proceeded to put sports on it.

The marketplace has more influence on formats than you give it credit for. There was too much fragmentation of the older-demo Urban audience for either station to be significantly profitable, so one went away.

Judging by the power ratios of recent Alternative starts in places like Philadelphia, owners in New York are going to think, "It is likely a less than 3 share format, and the power ratios are around .5, so it's not a good risk to take".

 

[davideduardo]

If you had your way you would kill off all the Rock formats of any kind and replace them with some sort of an urban/dance/hip hop format, which is declining and failing in all parts of the country.

I would do no such thing. A decision about a format change is based on potential audience and the salability of that audience.

Dance, by the way, is not a component of most Urban formats... the true urbans are essentially Urban Top 40's which used to be called R&B stations... the content is r&b and hip hop and related forms. Urban A/C is more r&b. In both cases, the format plays the music that African Americans as well as some Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites want to hear. And they are not declining anywhere; a few stations may be off, just as others are up.

After all, Rock has no listeners and no advertisers and is DEAD. FYI.. WRFF has been the highest rated CC station in the Philly market for 7 years since their launch, but I guess you would of preferred them to stay Hispanic WUBA and fail as long as it suits your lifestyle.

WUBE was one of the most stupid mistakes in format decision making I have seen in decades. There is less than a 2% population segment in Philadelphia that is Spanish dominant. It made no sense.

WRFF was a better choice, and it is run on the cheap. But it has a terrible power ratio and is Clear's lowest billing FM in the cluster. WUSL, with a lower share bills twice as much.

You think its fair for all the video channels to be Urban and not one Rock cable outlet, from all the MTV outlets to FUSE, name one full time Rock/Alternative channel, if it were the other way around you all would be rioting in the streets.

It's about the money, not the ethnicity. You are playing an ugly reverse race card.

 

[412Center]

If you had your way you would kill off all the Rock formats of any kind and replace them with some sort of an urban/dance/hip hop format, which is declining and failing in all parts of the country. After all, Rock has no listeners and no advertisers and is DEAD. FYI.. WRFF has been the highest rated CC station in the Philly market for 7 years since their launch, but I guess you would of preferred them to stay Hispanic WUBA and fail as long as it suits your lifestyle. You think its fair for all the video channels to be Urban and not one Rock cable outlet, from all the MTV outlets to FUSE, name one full time Rock/Alternative channel, if it were the other way around you all would be rioting in the streets.

You mad or nah?

 

[Steve Green NEPA]

@ David Eduardo :

In 2014, with so many changes in communication -- almost exponentially so compared to ten years ago, how has the Power Ratio gauge changed?
If it's changed at all?

I know I'm one such person, but there must be others here who aren't anywhere near as live as you are to the rules and the categories.

To put it another way: What's the most efficient format and is its order situated nationwide or does it differ noticeably from major market to major market? After all, those places are where the big bucks are spent, so there should be at least some leeway within the overall format roster, while still following the basic findings.

And how often is the Power Ratio updated? Daily, like looking at the baseball standings?

In fact, where would one look to find the latest ones? Might you be able to post them here (either for Philly or nationwide) ?

 

[davideduardo]

@ David Eduardo :

In 2014, with so many changes in communication -- almost exponentially so compared to ten years ago, how has the Power Ratio gauge changed?
If it's changed at all?

I know I'm one such person, but there must be others here who aren't anywhere near as live as you are to the rules and the categories.

To put it another way: What's the most efficient format and is its order situated nationwide or does it differ noticeably from major market to major market? After all, those places are where the big bucks are spent, so there should be at least some leeway within the overall format roster, while still following the basic findings.

And how often is the Power Ratio updated? Daily, like looking at the baseball standings?

In fact, where would one look to find the latest ones? Might you be able to post them here (either for Philly or nationwide) ?

Generally, we look at the power ratio as an annual thing. If the station averaged a 6 share of commercial station audience, then it gets a 1 power ratio if it gets 6% of the revenue in the market. An overachiever gets over a 1, and underachievers get below a 1.

Some formats tend to do better, others not as well. It has to do with a combination of the demo appeal of each format as well as the strength of each station's sales effort.

 

[njtom]

Getting back to the original intent of this thread, a solution for PLJ. There are plenty of different variations of urban formats as well as female oriented A/C, Hot A/C, CHR etc. I think most will agree with that statement. However male oriented music stations other then urban?..... hmmm Q104.3 which is very stale and aimed at older demos. WCBS-FM probably 50/50 male/female demos again aimed at older demos, both doing well in the ratings right now. What about tweaking PLJ to be a more male leaning music station covering the 90s to now? Not straight out alternative but a blend of grunge, active rock and some CHR that would fit a male leaning station. Male oriented topics on the morning show. Also wouldn't it make more sense for Cumulous to put the new urban format on 95.5 and exile the dysfunctional Hot A/C to 103.9 for revamping?