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Mike Malloy controversial comments

That was a real waste of your time, since the issue isn't firearms technology, it's about the right to the means of self defense.

Exactly. The weapons themselves are a moot point. It's an argument uneducated people make to try to appear smart. Just like the "well regulated militia" argument. When presented with absolute proof that they're wrong, they just switch to a different false argument.
 
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but do you really feel the selective quote of me that you published was an honest representation of what I originally posted?

Yes, because everything you posted was absolutely pointless and has nothing to do with the Second Amendment.

I DID TWO DAYS OF RESEARCH on gun technology time frames

I sure hope that's not true. If you spent two days doing research to make a point on the Internet, you need to get out of the house more. Especially since the point had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 
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I think the general view at the time was that "Godless savages" don't have natural born rights.

And that was corrected by several amendments and a bloody war.

No one said the Founders were perfect. Just that they were quite clear what they meant when they wrote the Constitution and original amendments.
 
So for all of you guys that think discussing every topic like there is no right and wrong and all points of view are equal, here's a question:

Where do you draw the line? What point of view would you not allow on your show just for the sake of discussion?

Skinheads or KKK types?
Advocating violent overthrow of the government?
NAMBLA or some other child molestation group?
Scam artists teaching listeners how to steal or otherwise break the law?
Westboro Baptist Church?
Someone who slanders local citizens on a regular basis?

Do those sorts of people deserve time on the air to air their opinions as equal to law abiding and decent citizens? Where do you draw the line? Specifics please. I wouldn't give two seconds of air time to any of those people. Does that make me some sort of evil "gatekeeper" that's squashing free speech?
 
So for all of you guys that think discussing every topic like there is no right and wrong and all points of view are equal, here's a question:

Where do you draw the line? What point of view would you not allow on your show just for the sake of discussion?

Skinheads or KKK types?
Advocating violent overthrow of the government?
NAMBLA or some other child molestation group?
Scam artists teaching listeners how to steal or otherwise break the law?
Westboro Baptist Church?
Someone who slanders local citizens on a regular basis?

Do those sorts of people deserve time on the air to air their opinions as equal to law abiding and decent citizens? Where do you draw the line? Specifics please. I wouldn't give two seconds of air time to any of those people. Does that make me some sort of evil "gatekeeper" that's squashing free speech?

As per usual, he obfuscates the issue either out of dishonesty or just ignorance of the facts, not to mention a rather tenuous grasp of reality.

To put in simple terms for simpletons like you-know-who: The framers of the constitution hadn't the foggiest idea how things would be over 200 years later and nary a notion of the rather liberal interpretation gun fetishists would give their vaguely written second amendment.

This is why the document itself is not "settled" and can be altered if and when we decide that there either needs to be a change or some clarity given.

Whether or not the founding fathers would agree to letting yahoos enter an Applebee's with an AR-15 isn't even the point. It's not even relevant. WE have to live in these times and WE have to decide what's reasonable, irrespective to a 200+ year old amendment that is constantly bastardized by gun-huggers and tea party sycophants.
 
So for all of you guys that think discussing every topic like there is no right and wrong and all points of view are equal, here's a question:

Where do you draw the line? What point of view would you not allow on your show just for the sake of discussion?

Skinheads or KKK types?
Advocating violent overthrow of the government?
NAMBLA or some other child molestation group?
Scam artists teaching listeners how to steal or otherwise break the law?
Westboro Baptist Church?
Someone who slanders local citizens on a regular basis?

Do those sorts of people deserve time on the air to air their opinions as equal to law abiding and decent citizens? Where do you draw the line? Specifics please. I wouldn't give two seconds of air time to any of those people. Does that make me some sort of evil "gatekeeper" that's squashing free speech?

In my view there is a vast difference between a host dumping a caller who disagrees with the host's 2nd Amendment views (because the host believes the caller's 2nd Amendment is "false"), and a host taking calls or guests from members of the groups you listed.
 
That argument is now, and always has been, a major stretch of reality, going beyond all reason.

The Constitution plainly says that Congress has the power to regulate commerce between the States. Article 1, Section 8: "Congress shall have the power...... To regulate Commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States."

It's pretty plain what the word "commerce" means, and what the word "regulate" means. It's also pretty plain what the phrase "among the several States" means.

No stretch of reality at all.
 
Discussing the details first instead of the "big picture" first is what results in the slippery slope of, "We've been discussing this forever, it's time to just DO IT." I know a lot of dead people around my age who would have preferred it if the government would have say down and decided what our ultimate goal in Vietnam should have been back in the late 50's to mid 60's, instead of starting with "small moving parts" like a few advisors, then a few more advisors, then a few troops, then air support, and suddenly we're in a full blown war we never intended to be in.

A tad of topic drift.

Perhaps our ultimate goal in Vietnam should not have simply started with the decision process of the late 50s and mid 60s, but maybe going back to the mid 1940s and reexamined our relationship with Ho Chi Minh in those years.

Hindsight being 20/20 vision, looking at Vietnam today, perhaps we'd have been far better off keeping the French back out of Vietnam at the end of World War II and letting Minh and his game take over the country in 1945 instead of 1975. Certainly Minh was a Communist, but I suggest that he was far more a nationalist and wanted his country to be run by Vietnamese and not the French.

Had we assisted him in the period 1945 onward, perhaps the US would have had a far greater influence on him and his government - at the very least, saving 58,000 US lives, and Vietnam, at the very least, would be exactly where it is today, but perhaps a far more democratic leaning government than what it is today.
 
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In my view there is a vast difference between a host dumping a caller who disagrees with the host's 2nd Amendment views (because the host believes the caller's 2nd Amendment is "false"), and a host taking calls or guests from members of the groups you listed.

Hosts dump callers because news/talk radio is a form of improvisational audio theater. That's why news/talk shows are called "shows". It seems to me that most hosts would dmp callers they disagreed with only if they were excessively strident or whose lack of facts made them sound like morons. There was a notoriously liberal local talk host in Pittsburgh I would often call, often about issues like hunting and gun control. I was always polite, articulate, respectful, and armed with facts. She not only never once dumped me, she often left me on the air for longer than her show's usual time limit. But, if some neanderthal got through and started blathering like an idiot, he'd get dumped in a New York minute. It might sound amazing, but after I explained to her, on the air, the difference between a semi-automatic sporting rifle like the AR-15 and a true assault rifle like the M-16, she stopped automatically referring to all black rifles as "assault weapons". However, she didn't change her mind about wanting them banned, she simply expanded the scope of what she wanted banned from just "assault rifles" to sometimes saying "both assault rifles and semiautomatics".

Sometimes I suspect that call screeners deliberately look for "crazies" to put through just to set the host up for a dramatic call dump. It seems that the normal dismissal of a caller is for the host or producer to turn the caller's sound off, then to quietly hang up on them while the host is talking. It's not often that a host actually hangs up on a caller, but when it does happen, it's often done with theatrical flair. As I said, that's just part of the show.

The Constitution plainly says that Congress has the power to regulate commerce between the States. Article 1, Section 8: "Congress shall have the power...... To regulate Commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States."

It's pretty plain what the word "commerce" means, and what the word "regulate" means. It's also pretty plain what the phrase "among the several States" means.

No stretch of reality at all.

A doctor in his office examining a patient in that same office is not engaged in "interstate commerce". Even if the doctor's tools and instruments were purchased in interstate commerce, or the medication the doctor prescribes might be shipped across state lines, the act of a doctor examining and/or treating a patient doesn't have a damn thing to do with interstate commerce.

A tad of topic drift.

Regardless of the details, the issue is just an illustration of a point. Instead of a carefully thought-out, long-term plan, they followed the process that Goat Rodeo Cowboy advocated when he said, "Whether it is a legislative committee working on a new bill, or a corporation trying to iron out employee policy or work out a new policy for a warranty program for the company's product, the discussion has to start with the 'small moving parts'. Until what we used to call 'group dynamics' get to simmering and cooking by tackling smaller elements one at a time, the group will just come unglued if they try to discuss the big issues, the full issue before the group has established trust and flexibilty and the ability to communicate among themselves."

That entire premise is wrong. No matter how you re-examine the decisions that lead to the Vietnam War, they all disprove the idea of working on the "small moving parts" first. That principle is just plain incorrect.
 
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Regardless of the details, the issue is just an illustration of a point. Instead of a carefully thought-out, long-term plan, they followed the process that Goat Rodeo Cowboy advocated when he said, "Whether it is a legislative committee working on a new bill, or a corporation trying to iron out employee policy or work out a new policy for a warranty program for the company's product, the discussion has to start with the 'small moving parts'. Until what we used to call 'group dynamics' get to simmering and cooking by tackling smaller elements one at a time, the group will just come unglued if they try to discuss the big issues, the full issue before the group has established trust and flexibilty and the ability to communicate among themselves."

That entire premise is wrong. No matter how you re-examine the decisions that lead to the Vietnam War, they all disprove the idea of working on the "small moving parts" first. That principle is just plain incorrect.

Let me suggest that you just used a PERFECT example that supports my premise on how problems are solved. I had a neighbor a few years back who was a French as a person can be. During WWII our people in England dumped him out of an airplane behind German lines into France to help organize and structure the resistance movement.

When WWII was over, they dumped him into Vietnam to be a part of the team trying to figure out what was going on. He found a small moving part who at the time was basically an unknown outside of the country. That moving part was some guy named Ho Chi MIhn.

Neighbore sent up through the channels a report outlining how if we would work with this one "one small moving part" we could defuse what had just sent the French packing.

But Robert McNamara was a champion of YOUR theory, Avid. He rejected the report, and refused to discuss it. No. This is a big issue. This is the Domino Theory. We can be distracted with "small moving parts". I don't want to hear about little un-important issues.

We could have sat down and arranged a "tea party... some kind of social event" among the "small players" jockeying for political influence in Vietnam and avoided one nasty war that created distrust and anger in our country to lives to this day.

Robert McNamara said: I don't have time to be distracted by small issues at the bottom of the stack. I don't know who your Ho Chi Mihn is and what he wants. He's just an unimportant distraction. We're doing to deal only in BIG ISSUES.

I think maybe the book my neighbor wrote may still be available to be read on the Internet. Rene DeFourneaux.
 
So for all of you guys that think discussing every topic like there is no right and wrong and all points of view are equal, here's a question:

Where do you draw the line? What point of view would you not allow on your show just for the sake of discussion?

Skinheads or KKK types?
Advocating violent overthrow of the government?
NAMBLA or some other child molestation group?
Scam artists teaching listeners how to steal or otherwise break the law?
Westboro Baptist Church?
Someone who slanders local citizens on a regular basis?

Do those sorts of people deserve time on the air to air their opinions as equal to law abiding and decent citizens? Where do you draw the line? Specifics please. I wouldn't give two seconds of air time to any of those people. Does that make me some sort of evil "gatekeeper" that's squashing free speech?

Clearly some people here think they are the ones to decide which opinions are "right" (or "correct") and which are not. Those which are not, should not be heard because the masses need to be protected from "wrong" opinions. They are so gullible and easily misled, after all.

This is not a new viewpoint. Aristotle held it. So did the Inquisition. And the Soviet Communist Party.

However, Plato did not hold it. Neither did Thomas Jefferson. Tom was also one of those people "advocating the violent overthrow of the government" who should, according to some people, be allowed on talk radio.

Funny, you take some guy without higher education who has bounced around "town to town up and down the dial" and he feels qualified to decide what views are suitable for everybody else. I'm not necessarily talking about anybody here (before anybody gets their shorts twisted but if the shoe fits...). My descriptions applies to a top 40 DJ from Cape Girardeau whose girth is exceeded only by his ego.

What's also amusing is these same people who want to decide what views are acceptable for everybody else to hear about (lest they be led astray) are very willing to treat and broadcast completely unfounded opinions and equivalent to proven scientific theory - like creationism and climate change denial.

Maybe there are right or wrong opinions. I thought the idea the founding fathers had was to let people decide that for themselves.
 
The founders didn't mention specific weapons because it's not about the weapons. It's about the right to defend oneself against a tyrannical government.

It IS about the weapons to today's activist who are carrying on the debate. I love going to old tractor show... Fly-in days at the airport when you can touch and smell small airplanes. We have a bumper sticker in this country that says it very well: "You can tell the men from the boys.... by the price of their toys."

All this 2nd Amendment talk seems to be driven by guys who love to touch, handle and talk guns. They love the talk about self defense and tyrannical government because they use that logic to explain to their wives why money is spent guns instead of going into the college fund and retirment fund.

When you follow the arguments about 2nd Amendment today, I hear very few people who really verbalize how holding off a tyrannical government might be accomplished... but I hear a LOT, an OVERHWELMING bunch of talk about self-protection when going drinking in bad neighborhoods... about self-protection when "gangs of THOSE people" come into our neighborhoods to steal, loot and rape, and self protection in case someone comes shooting up my school or my church.

And it is Talk Radio that cultivates and fertilizes this idea that "my neighborhood is going to be invaded by THOSE people" and they are not talking about FBI agents and Special OPS.
 
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Let me suggest that you just used a PERFECT example that supports my premise on how problems are solved. I had a neighbor a few years back who was a French as a person can be. During WWII our people in England dumped him out of an airplane behind German lines into France to help organize and structure the resistance movement.

When WWII was over, they dumped him into Vietnam to be a part of the team trying to figure out what was going on. He found a small moving part who at the time was basically an unknown outside of the country. That moving part was some guy named Ho Chi MIhn.

Neighbore sent up through the channels a report outlining how if we would work with this one "one small moving part" we could defuse what had just sent the French packing.

But Robert McNamara was a champion of YOUR theory, Avid. He rejected the report, and refused to discuss it. No. This is a big issue. This is the Domino Theory. We can be distracted with "small moving parts". I don't want to hear about little un-important issues.

Your timeline doesn't hold water. Someone sent "after WWII" who just "discovered" Ho Chi Minh for the first time, after our own OSS had worked closely with Ho Chi Minh against the Japanese would have filed his report no later than the fall of Dien Bien Phu, at least six years before Robert McNamara took office. Also, you're talking about the selection of a strategy by first looking at tactics. That's what's backwards. Strategic thinking must come first, followed by the tactics to implement it. Granted, there is no guarantee that the strategy selected will be correct, regardless of the method. McNamara and the rest of JFK's "best and brightest" were still stinging from the McCarthy era, so they couldn't conceive of the idea of a communist who would rejected alliances with the Red Chinese or Soviets in favor of accommodation with the US. But that doesn't prove that letting tactical decisions dictate strategy is a preferable method.

It IS about the weapons to today's activist who are carrying on the debate. I

They aren't the ones who count. The clear, plain words of the Constitution and the Federalist Papers are what counts. Opinions come and go. The facts that back them up are what they are, and they remain what they are.
 
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So for all of you guys that think discussing every topic like there is no right and wrong and all points of view are equal, here's a question:

Where do you draw the line? What point of view would you not allow on your show just for the sake of discussion?

I think it's a real good question, and I think it's worthy of discussion on your show.

My view is that all of those people, regardless of their POV, have the same Constitutional rights as you or I. They all live in the same country, they're all natural born citizens, and they should all have access to the public airwaves. Preventing any of them from doing so using federally regulated airspace is denying them their freedom of speech. So while I personally don't like some of their opinions, that doesn't mean those opinions shouldn't be voiced. The founders were very clear in their instructions.
 
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Exactly. The weapons themselves are a moot point. It's an argument uneducated people make to try to appear smart. Just like the "well regulated militia" argument. When presented with absolute proof that they're wrong, they just switch to a different false argument.

And yet that exact argument has been brought before Congress and the courts for years, and continue to be used. They're not "false arguments." You just don't agree with them. Scholars and lawyers argue them all the time. Law schools teach that there are no absolutes. On any given day, an argument MIGHT work, and MIGHT be judged to be correct, depending on the case and the judges. Our system is very subjective. Both sides are presented in court. We allow our judges to interpret. And that's what they do.
 
They aren't the ones who count. The clear, plain words of the Constitution and the Federalist Papers are what counts. Opinions come and go. The facts that back them up are what they are, and they remain what they are.

But that's not true, and you can see it in all of the decisions rendered by the court this week. The cases brought before them all contained current issues, just like the specific guns brought up in that post. It's very likely at some point, a law will be written in some state, probably New York, that narrowly restricts certain guns, and it will likely be brought up before the Supreme Court. When that happens, then we'll see how the judges rule. But until that happens (and even after it happens), those issues should and will be discussed by the people, although their views will probably not be heard on talk radio.
 
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Maybe there are right or wrong opinions. I thought the idea the founding fathers had was to let people decide that for themselves.

Exactly. The discussion went beyond the Federalist Papers, and so restricting the conversation to them completely ignores Jefferson's views. But it is interesting to read the arguments in context, because you see that the founders wrestled with many of the same issues we deal with today. They were as divided as we are today. So the way they got consensus when it came time for ratification was with the one word our current Congress doesn't like: Compromise. IF we are to follow in the footsteps of our founders, it is imperative that we find a way to compromise as they did in writing the Constitution. Those who go into the discussion with hard and inflexible views are not living up to the ideals the founders had in mind.
 
.A doctor in his office examining a patient in that same office is not engaged in "interstate commerce". Even if the doctor's tools and instruments were purchased in interstate commerce, or the medication the doctor prescribes might be shipped across state lines, the act of a doctor examining and/or treating a patient doesn't have a damn thing to do with interstate commerce.

A great many doctors practice within clinics affiliated with health care companies (for-profit or non-profit) that operate clinics, hospitals, and/or nursing homes in more than one state, and are therefore involved in interstate commerce. Or maybe your "Doc" still drives a horsedrawn buggy, carries a little black bag, and accepts a rhubarb pie as payment for his services? (PS: That better be one darn good pie...) :)
 
A great many doctors practice within clinics affiliated with health care companies (for-profit or non-profit) that operate clinics, hospitals, and/or nursing homes in more than one state, and are therefore involved in interstate commerce.

Exactly. GoatRodeoCowboy & I have had many discussions about something I call the "medical industrial complex." It's what you will encounter if you are so unfortunate to enter a hospital at some point in your life. The "medical industrial complex" is the consolidated group of health care companies, hospitals, insurance companies, and other medical professionals, who set the prices and the procedures we receive as medical consumers. In a free economy, we should be able to pick where we want our heart bypass surgery will take place, considering the price, experience, and type of care. Unfortunately, when you have a heart attack, you lose all control from the moment you call the ambulance. Quite often, medical service doesn't operate in a free economy where consumers choose. Those decisions are made by the medical industrial complex. Consumers are fairly powerless in that system. Consumers need someone who isn't motivated by profit to officiate for them, and unfortunately, the doctor doesn't have the power. As one doctor told me, they are just the middle men. None of this has been discussed on talk radio, although there have been numerous stories about it on TV and public radio.
 
A doctor in his office examining a patient in that same office is not engaged in "interstate commerce". Even if the doctor's tools and instruments were purchased in interstate commerce, or the medication the doctor prescribes might be shipped across state lines, the act of a doctor examining and/or treating a patient doesn't have a damn thing to do with interstate commerce.

This is another example of Talk Radio getting people all riled up about the government interfering with your local, flag-saluting, salt-of-the earth doctor.

If you call your "family doctor" or your "primary care doctor" and announce that you have a problem that needs attention today, you will be told to proceed to the Emergency Department at the hospital. "We don't do 'right-now' stuff."

You will likely be greeted and triaged and treated by employees of a corporation based in another state that has a contract to operated the ED for your hospital. And if you have chest pains, they will either send you down the hall to radiology, or maybe radiology will roll a portable x-ray machine into your treatment space. The x-ray people work for yet another company based in yet another state under contract to either the hospital... or under contract to the ED contractor. Your chest x-ray will then be reviewed by a radiologist (M.D.) who is contracted and likely working at a computer terminal in another building... maybe even in another state.

And then you get admitted to the hospital for further observation and treatment and when you get your first meal in your hospital room, it will be delivered by staff from the kitchen run by those friends of Mitt Romney by the name of Marriott... whatever state they operate their company from.

All of these people are on computer terminals all night long and all day long checking to see what your insurance does and does not cover and what documentation will be expected by the insurance company..... which operates from another state.

All of these people are all being careful to make sure they follow the policies laid down by their Medical Malpractice Insurance company which is in a sense "deciding what level of care you get" from yet some other state.

And if you are among the fortunate who have good insurance, your hospital bill and your ED bill and your Radiology bill and your hospital room charges will all be paid by by Blue Cross or Aetna or Humana or some company operating in yet another state.

Now, tell us again...... how is it that medical care and how it is delivered and how it is paid for is NOT an issue covered by mechanisms considered to be Interstate Commerce under the terms of the Constitution.
 
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