Classic Hits 80s

[davideduardo]

I counter that by saying that 97.1's signal (and they are a K-Love station now) isn't any better.

97.1 has a 65 dbu that covers 1.16 million people while Hippie does 240,000. That's nearly 5 times as many people. Really no comparison.

I am a 1963 model myself, and "remember" many songs from the '50s and '60s, but have been told by many "experts" on here that I cannot possibly remember them because I am "not old enough."

Nobody is saying you are not familiar with 50's and 60's songs. I'm familiar with plenty of 30's and 40's songs, but I throw up in my mouth a little about the prospect of having to hear them. But, as I said, I know them.

No, not old enough to remember when they were hits, but definitely heard them on many "solid gold weekend"-type programs.

With only few exceptions, classic hits stations work when they play songs that their listeners grew up on, which evoke positive feelings and which are eminently familiar. .

 

[gamefreak]

Lets talk about 20-somethings today and old music. More young people I know relate to the music of The Beatles and Depeche Mode than Robin Thicke and Nicki Minaj.

In 2011 when Cox Radio Tampa ditched its 80's station for CHR a lot of people where not happy. While most of the people where 30 and 40 year old's quite a few of them where 20-somethings or even teenagers. This is from looking on the stations Facebook page just after the flip. Even young people who listened to rival CHR FLZ didn't like the format flip, saying that radio needs variety.

Same thing the following year when CBS flipped Greatest Hits WODS Boston to CHR. Creating a similar response to the one in Tampa the following year. In Jacksonville after Planet flipped to Oldies as Magic 107.3 young people were praising the new format.

If anything pop culture references from shows like "Family Guy" exposed a lot of older music to a young audience.

 

[gamefreak]

Then again from a financial standpoint I wouldn't put it past radio companies to put on radio formats that are downright offensive.

An example is Hip Hop stations playing songs that glorify Rape, Crime and Homophobia. Not that any exist but if there was a market, especially if the FCC lightened the rules on foul language.

In some cases your already seeing that with Talk Radio.

 

[Avid Listener]

Nobody is saying you are not familiar with 50's and 60's songs. I'm familiar with plenty of 30's and 40's songs, but I throw up in my mouth a little about the prospect of having to hear them. But, as I said, I know them.

Which is also very revealing about your grasp of music as something other than a commodity to shovel around like so much organic fertilizer.

 

[K.M. Richards]

Dave, I have repeatedly given you examples of where that is not the case.

Look, his name is David. Not "Dave" or "Davey".

If you want respect, you need to show respect first.

 

[K.M. Richards]

Which is also very revealing about your grasp of music as something other than a commodity to shovel around like so much organic fertilizer.

You know what? In radio, music is the commodity. Remove the sarcasm from your statement and it is essentially correct.

 

[davideduardo]

Which is also very revealing about your grasp of music as something other than a commodity to shovel around like so much organic fertilizer.

My "grasp" of music allows me to distinguish between what I do like and what I do not. Big Band and standards are varieties which annoy me... it's my personal preference and taste. Keyword: Personal.

And that "preference" has nothing to do with the age of music: as a teen my collection of classical music and opera vastly exceeded the Top 40 singles and guaracha, cumbia and charanga albums I collected.

As KM says, music is the raw material, the commodity, that stations build formats on. Stations are not built, save rare cases, to please the owner or to show the owner's exquisite taste in music. Music is used to construct a mood, a feel, that will hopefully appeal to a considerable group of listeners.

And being in the business of owning, programming or managing stations has nothing to do with the kinds of music that I listen to for enjoyment today.

 

[davideduardo]

Look, his name is David. Not "Dave" or "Davey".

The first one was a 1993 movie and the second was a member of the Monkees, I believe.

 

[Avid Listener]

My "grasp" of music allows me to distinguish between what I do like and what I do not. Big Band and standards are varieties which annoy me... it's my personal preference and taste. Keyword: Personal.

Mr. Gleason, If you think the music of the 30's and 40's is limited to only Big Band and standards, then that also reveals your lack of knowledge about music, beyond the minimum needed to shovel it like so much organic fertilizer. Likewise when you make such blanket assessments of entire genres of music, even personal taste judgements, that also shows your lack of understanding or true interest in music.

 

[davideduardo]

Mr. Gleason, If you think the music of the 30's and 40's is limited to only Big Band and standards, then that also reveals your lack of knowledge about music, beyond the minimum needed to shovel it like so much organic fertilizer. Likewise when you make such blanket assessments of entire genres of music, even personal taste judgements, that also shows your lack of understanding or true interest in music.

"Big band and standards" is the fairly conventional "lumping together" term for the music of the later 30's and 40's.

Just as, in one of the genres I like, with a "lumped togeter" name of "cumbia" there are actually components such as cumbia, porro, gaita, mapayé and others. Or in another area where I have an extensive collection, the so called Regional Mexican genre, the music is readily segregated into ranchera, norteña, banda, durangüense, tierra caliente, and several more. And were I to list the different kinds of "Latin American folk music" there would be over 50 different principal music styles.

So, for most people "music of the 30's and 40's" falls into standards and big band, not into Grofé, country, jazz, blues and other forms. I'm simply using the conventions of generalization. By the standards of your critique of my post, "oldies" is also a misnome, as it excludes most r&b, jazz, country, progressive or hard rock, folk, cajun, arcadian, MOR, Tex-Mex and other American music forms of the 60's era. But most people understand that the generalized terms we use have borders, albeit fuzzy ones.

 

[Avid Listener]

I'm simply using the conventions of generalization.

Which could help explain why so much of what you post is unbelievable.

 

[firepoint525]

97.1 has a 65 dbu that covers 1.16 million people while Hippie does 240,000. That's nearly 5 times as many people. Really no comparison.

Well, then they should have been able to CRUSH Hippie Radio, but let the record show that they did not. They just kept on shoveling out the SOS, and we saw the results.

Nobody is saying you are not familiar with 50's and 60's songs. I'm familiar with plenty of 30's and 40's songs, but I throw up in my mouth a little about the prospect of having to hear them. But, as I said, I know them.

Last week's AT40 the '70s was from the last week of June, 1976. Several times during that program, Casey promoted their Fourth of July special for the following week, playing the #1 song from July 4th week for each of the previous 40 years. That meant that the first song that they played for that countdown was from the 4th of July week in 1937!. I remember that countdown. I heard it. But I suppose that CHR programmers would be up in arms if modern-day AT40 attempted a similar countdown with every Fourth of July #1 song going back to 1975!

With only few exceptions, classic hits stations work when they play songs that their listeners grew up on, which evoke positive feelings and which are eminently familiar. .

I didn't grow up on "What a Wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong, yet they still play it. It definitely wasn't a hit. Peaked at something like #32, and that was in 1988.

 

[K.M. Richards]

Which could help explain why so much of what you post is unbelievable.

You mean like your post in the "cord-cutting" thread where you say the cord hasn't been cut unless you cancel everything, including broadband Internet access?

Seems to me that you generalized the "cord" in that thread ... so why can't David generalize a decade's music as being those genres which were dominant in it?

 

[firepoint525]

Look, his name is David. Not "Dave" or "Davey".
If you want respect, you need to show respect first.

Hell, I've given him "respect" for years, and all he ever does is denigrate mine (and others) taste in music, calling us "outliers," saying our music is "obscure," "absurd," and whatever the hell else he wants to call it. He refers to us as "geezers," which tells us that he knows NOTHING about us, or our music. He hasn't even asked us what we like. Until he recruits ME for one of his highly-touted "tests," my criticisms will stand.

 

[K.M. Richards]

Last week's AT40 the '70s was from the last week of June, 1976. Several times during that program, Casey promoted their Fourth of July special for the following week, playing the #1 song from July 4th week for each of the previous 40 years. That meant that the first song that they played for that countdown was from the 4th of July week in 1937!. I remember that countdown. I heard it. But I suppose that CHR programmers would be up in arms if modern-day AT40 attempted a similar countdown with every Fourth of July #1 song going back to 1975!

And if you want to hear it again, ReelRadio has it archived:
http://www.reelradio.com/gifts/atf070476.html

But -- and this is an important "but" -- this is not 1976. In that year, top-40 was still the all-encompassing "hits regardless of genre" format. Now, there are multiple "flavors" of CHR, and as a consequence the leeway no longer exists for such a special to be aired.

 

[firepoint525]

And if you want to hear it again, ReelRadio has it archived:
http://www.reelradio.com/gifts/atf070476.html

But -- and this is an important "but" -- this is not 1976. In that year, top-40 was still the all-encompassing "hits regardless of genre" format. Now, there are multiple "flavors" of CHR, and as a consequence the leeway no longer exists for such a special to be aired.

I would love to know if AT40 ever got any negative feedback over that one. (Back then, I mean.) I am surprised that retro AT40s are carried ANYWHERE because of all the so-called "stiffs" in there. Yeah, I know that a lot of what made the charts back then was "junk," but it is still interesting to hear it in context with everything that still gets played.

 

[K.M. Richards]

Furthermore, I don't recall him asking YOU to take up for him. He already has enough lapdogs on this board. He doesn't need any more.

No one asked me to. David is a colleague and a long-time friend.

I find your calling me a "lapdog" insulting, BTW.

 

[firepoint525]

No one asked me to. David is a colleague and a long-time friend.
I find your calling me a "lapdog" insulting, BTW.

Then don't behave like one. Going to have to have a much thicker skin if you are going to post here. David has been called far worse than anything that I have called him, and he has brushed it off and kept on posting. (By the way, you aren't the only one on here who has ridden his coattails. I always encourage everyone to make their OWN arguments, and not just rubber-stamp what someone else on here said. There is a difference between agreeing with someone else, and just rubber-stamping everything that they say.)

 

[frankberry]

The latest posts have absolutely nothing to do with Classic Hits 80's.

Please calm down and show each other some respect.

 

[TheFonz]

Yeah, I know that a lot of what made the charts back then was "junk," but it is still interesting to hear it in context with everything that still gets played.

Yes! You get it!!