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DMAs that should be merged into others

Morgan Wick said:
Maybe not a complete merger, but could there be some consolidation of stations between Cincinnati and Dayton, and maybe Columbus? Those three markets and Indianapolis are so close that Cincinnati and Columbus are the largest markets where either the CW or MyNet has to settle for a subchannel, and it might be by a substantial margin depending on how you look at it, and there's next to no openings for a new station.

As far as Columbus is concerned, that will never happen at least among the big network affiliates. There's enough distance between the three cities that it'd never work, plus WHIO and WBNS (Dayton and Columbus' CBS affiliates, respectively) are among the highest-rated network affiliates in the country. Additionally, that would be hell come NFL season. The markets have similar tastes in teams, but the Browns are No. 1 here in Columbus ahead of the Bengals and vice-versa in Dayton.
 
Morgan Wick said:
Maybe not a complete merger, but could there be some consolidation of stations between Cincinnati and Dayton, and maybe Columbus? Those three markets and Indianapolis are so close that Cincinnati and Columbus are the largest markets where either the CW or MyNet has to settle for a subchannel, and it might be by a substantial margin depending on how you look at it, and there's next to no openings for a new station.

No :)

Seriously, the widespread adoption of cable & satellite have IMHO frozen market boundaries. Especially among markets which already have affiliates of all four major networks. Even if the Columbus affiliates agreed to allow cable/satellite operators there to import Dayton or Cincinnati signals, chances are viewers would still overwhelmingly watch the Columbus stations. (more relevant news, weather, sports -- and commercials)

To get these markets merged, two sets of network affiliates would have to go away. (or at least, drop their major-network affiliations) Sinclair does control or operate most of the Fox affiliates and two ABC affiliates in the area, but no one owner is responsible for more than one of the rest of the stations. At least four owners would see the values of their stations pretty much vanish. Not going to happen.

Besides... with the channel repacking that's already happened... and that which is planned for the near future... the chances that the FCC would allow significant tower site changes in this crowded part of the country are pretty close to zero.

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poledo said:
Has there ever been an attempt to reclassify TV stations in the way AM and FM stations are? Say have a certain amount of TV stations that have "flamethrower" licenses spread around so they could cover multiple DMAs, entire states in some cases. Then have a whole lot of regional and local frequencies... making Class A TV stations legitimate local stations and leaving LP and TV translators for the home shopping and religious networks or to fill in white areas.

I know some may say that was essentially the way things were in the VHF/UHF analog days but why not try it out now? Or would it just be impossible with today's DTV technology?

There were two classes of TV (and FM) stations when the World War II freeze was lifted. There weren't many takers for the "metropolitan" stations and they disappeared with Channel 1. I think the FCC saw they'd gotten into a mess with AM and were reluctant to repeat it. For the life of analog TV, you couldn't launch a new station unless you could find a channel that could be used at full power/tower height without interfering, even if the power you actually planned to use was far lower. Stations in the early 1950s, trying to get off UHF, tried to get the Commission to loosen up & allow shorter-spaced VHF stations if lower power was used -- but the Commission never bit.

In most cases, it would not have been possible to establish a technical facility that would cover more than one DMA. A four-fold increase in power for a maximum-power VHF-Low station might yield only a 15% increase in coverage radius -- in most cases not enough to encompass the central city of the adjacent DMA. You could move the transmitter to a point midway between the two cities, but at the expense of making the signal MUCH weaker in both cities. (exactly where people are stuck with small antennas and noise and need as much signal as possible. Meantime, your signal is strongest in the rural areas between the two cities, where everyone has a nice tall outside antenna on quiet farmland)

Today, the limited value of power increases still exists, and so does the problem of not having enough signal in the central cities from an outside transmitter site.

What you *could* do is a single-frequency-network, with multiple transmitters on the same channel serving a wide area. That would work pretty well from a technical standpoint. However, you get into legal/contractural issues when you start expanding a signal outside its existing DMA. You could expand WBNS-TV's signal to cover all of Ohio using dozens of transmitters on channel 21. But then, what do you do for the existing CBS affiliates in Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown, Dayton, Cincinnati, Lima, Marietta, and Steubenville? Eight plaintiffs, two defendants, I think I see where that would go :)
 
SixtiesGuy said:
Mark said:
...Geographically, Boston and Providence could be one...

Absolutely true. Boston is roughly 40 air miles from Providence; the Providence transmitters are located about the same distance south of Boston.

I agree Channel 6 can be the new Fox station for the newly merged Boston/Providence DMA and keep 25 as a MyNetwork TV station ,Ch. 10 the new CW or keep it NBC and ch. 12 can stay CBS or become a independent channel. Now with this idea boost the signal strength of Ch. 2 ,Ch. 4 Ch. 5 ,Ch. 7 ,Ch. 38 ,44 ,56 and 69(ION) to cover the new DMA well.
 
TVCOOL said:
SixtiesGuy said:
Mark said:
...Geographically, Boston and Providence could be one...

Absolutely true. Boston is roughly 40 air miles from Providence; the Providence transmitters are located about the same distance south of Boston.

I agree Channel 6 can be the new Fox station for the newly merged Boston/Providence DMA and keep 25 as a MyNetwork TV station ,Ch. 10 the new CW or keep it NBC and ch. 12 can stay CBS or become a independent channel. Now with this idea boost the signal strength of Ch. 2 ,Ch. 4 Ch. 5 ,Ch. 7 ,Ch. 38 ,44 ,56 and 69(ION) to cover the new DMA well.

OK, I assume the following: Ch. 2 (PBS), Ch. 4 (CBS o&o), and Ch. 5 (ABC) don't change; also does 25 change since I believe it is a Fox o&o? It seems to me that 2, 4, and 5 stay put; 6 goes to either the CW or MyNetwork with 10 getting either the leftover or staying with NBC; 12 goes independent. What, however, do you about 7? Does it stay with NBC, get the leftover CW or MyNetwork affiliation, or go independent? I think the NBC affiliation would come down to which station is higher-rated, 7 or 10, with the lower-rated one getting either the CW or MyNetwork. Also, what about 38 and 56 (44, if I'm not mistaken, is WGBX, a PBS station)?
 
kilamanjero said:
KML-224 said:
I still think southern New Hampshire should be split from Boston/Worcester.

I would have a smaller market with Manchester as it's center (channel 9), the state capitol of Concord (channel 21), Merrimack (channel 60) and Derry (channel 50). Keep channel 9 as ABC. Would channel 21 try CBS again? Channel 60 of Merrimack is a Telemundo station, so maybe that could be tweaked by NBC? By default, channel 50 could become FOX with a MY subchannel.

I know this isn't going to be happen, but it would be nice. The market could also include Portsmouth (crossing the bridge to Kittery, ME puts you in the Portland/Poland Spring market), Nashua, Salem, Keene and, most importantly, Brattleboro, VT. Presently, Windham County, VT is the fringe of the Boston/Worcester market. I think they'd fit a market of that type a lot better, since radio-wise, they're a natural trading partner with Keene, NH, which is in southwestern New Hampshire.

P.S. Also, Brattleboro is physically closer to Springfield, MA and Albany, NY then they are to Boston.

I don't know but sometimes people would rather be in a major market than smaller one? One benefit is network O&O affiliated stations (which means few to no network preemptions) and direct knowledge of the what/whereabouts in that major city. I noticed that is why people in Cleburne and Randolph counties in Alabama watch Atlanta TV stations versus those out of Birmingham. As a result, those 2 counties are now apart of the DMA, and the stations here in Atlanta even cover those 2 counties during severe weather events. Interesting enough, they both joined the Atlanta DMA around the time Birmingham's 2 network O&O stations were sold (WBRC & WVTM).

When Arbitron did TV ratings, their equivalent term for DMA was Area of Dominant Influence (ADI), and even in the '70s Cleburne and Randolph were part of the Atlanta ADI. Calhoun County was in its own ADI, despite the presence of only one station, WHMA (now WJSU), then a CBS affiliate. I'm a little surprised Calhoun wasn't in Atlanta's ADI; I had a friend who could get WSB (then-NBC) and WAGA (then-CBS) just fine with an antenna, but had to watch ABC on WBRC since WXIA (on Ch. 11)
didn't reach that far. If other people in that county were in the same situation (and Chs. 13 and 42 didn't travel well OTA in that hilly terrain), why couldn't Calhoun have been in the Atlanta ADI?
 
Potential future DMA mergers and breakups

From the "Cursed TV Markets" thread:

Some more that could qualify:
Alexandria-Willmar-Bemidji, MN (merged into Minneapolis-St. Paul market)
Roswell-Carlsbad, NM (merged into Albuquerque market)
Farmington, NM-Durango, CO (merged into Albuquerque market)
Tuscaloosa, AL (merged into Birmingham market)
Anniston-Gadsden, AL (merged into Birmingham market)
Selma, AL (merged into Montgomery market)
Hays-Great Bend-Garden City, KS (merged into Wichita market)
Flagstaff, AZ (merged into Phoenix market)

Here are some TV markets that I think would be merged in the near future:
San Angelo TX (would merge into Abilene market)
Presque Isle ME (would merge into Bangor market)
Elmira NY (would merge into Binghamton market)
Twin Falls ID (would merge into Boise market)
Harrisonburg VA (would merge into Charlottesville market)
Eureka CA (would merge into Chico-Redding market)
Zanesville OH (would merge into Columbus market)
Great Falls MT (would merge into Helena market)
Lafayette IN (would merge into Indianapolis market)
St Joseph MO (would merge into Kansas City market)
Palm Springs CA (would merge into Los Angeles market)
Mankato MN (would merge into Minneapolis market)
Alpena MI (would merge into Traverse City market)

And a few that would be broken up:

Minot-Bismarck-Dickinson ND – would create a Minot DMA and a Bismarck DMA
Waco-Temple-Bryan TX – would create a Waco-Temple DMA and a Bryan-College Station DMA

Of course, some of you might not agree, and for varying reasons.

Which markets do you think would be merged or broken up, and why?
 
I don't see Bryan-College station being broken off into a separate market from Waco. I don't think they have enough viewers and advertiser to support a full slate of affiliates. That's probably why every station in the market is a satellite of one from Waco-Temple. ABC and NBC are on low-power stations.

San Angelo might seem like a logical merger. But I think if that were going to happen, it would have happened years ago. The markets are more split now than they were 20-30 years ago.

Lafayette and Lake Charles, LA, have operated as kind of operated as "complementary" markets for a long time, even though they're closer to Baton Rouge and Beaumont, respectively. A merger might prompt stations to create some kind of presence in the other city. (Of course, they wouldn't really need a market merger to do that, would they?)
 
Harrisonburg and Charlottesville used to be in the same market, IIRC.

Also, it's kind of strange that Alpena and North Platte can support full local newscasts yet northern Arizona (Flagstaff-Kingman), southeast New Mexico (Roswell-Carlsbad-Hobbs-Clovis), northwest New Mexico (Farmington-Durango-Cortez), western Kansas (Hays-Great Bend-Garden City-Goodland), western Minnesota (Alexandria-Willmar-Bemidji-St. Cloud), southwest Utah (St. George-Cedar City), northeast Nevada (Elko-Ely), etc. couldn't support even local news inserts and most, if not all, of the areas I mentioned have a higher population than Alpena and North Platte.
 
Here are some TV markets that I think would be merged in the near future:
Lafayette IN (would merge into Indianapolis market)
technically it already is. Cable and both satcos give you Indy stations. The CBS (WLFI) is co-owned with the CBS in Indy

Mankato MN (would merge into Minneapolis market)
They've said that for 20 years and hasnt happened yet. Wont start now

Alpena MI (would merge into Traverse City market)
why? Other than NBC its a full OTA market

And a few that would be broken up:

Minot-Bismarck-Dickinson ND – would create a Minot DMA and a Bismarck DMA

why? All the station in Bismarck run satellite stations in Minot so its one market. Why split it up?
 
I highly doubt Aroostook County, ME would be merged with Bangor. Outside of Presque Isle and WAGM-TV (CBS) channel 8, what's up there? WAGM-TV has a FOX subchannel. The only other station in the market is a PBS affiliate on channel 10. The rest comes from Bangor on cable.
 
In the case of Mankato also in Makato proper with a big outdoor antenna there is a translator farm 25 miles away with all the Minneapolis stations on them. In fact in most of the Mankato market there are translator systems (owned by co-ops) that have Mpls stations
 
Once upon a time, the monstrosity that is Lincoln- Kearney-Hastings-Grand Island might have seen Lincoln split off from the rest of greater Nebraska. But with Gray having absorbed the NBC affiliate (KHAS-5 at Hastings) into a subchannel of Gray's CBS affiliates, that doesn't seem likely. However, North Platte is a candidate for merging into what I'll call Lincoln-Greater Nebraska DMA.

Kirksville MO - Ottumwa IA : With that being where I grew up, I'll trot it out as an example again. Like Mankato, Ottumwa also dealt with a translator farm. It raised OATS. (Ottumwa Area Translator System, now defunct) Back in the late 70s/early 80s, between OATS and cable the majority of viewing in Ottumwa was with the Des Moines based CBS and NBC stations. As a result, Ottumwa (Wapello County) was in the Des Moines ADI, not Kirksville-Ottumwa. That changed with the advent of the Ottumwa based FOX affiliate, and it tipped the numbers just enough to put Ottumwa back into Kirksville-Ottumwa.

Continuing with Kirksville-Ottumwa, in a way I'm surprised it never merged with its neighbors to the east, Quincy-Hannibal. Had Kirksville's KTVO managed to keep its 2000 footer aloft between Kirksville and Quincy, the Quincy stations would have built their own taller towers, and Tri-States IA-IL-MO would have been formed. Cut to current day and a merger may be possible again. Sinclair now controls the ABC and CBS affiliates in both markets, KTVO with ABC on 3.1, CBS on 3.2 and KHQA, 7.1 CBS, 7.2 ABC. If Sinclair were to merge the two stations, that could be enough to lead Nielsen to merge the markets.

St. Joseph MO - Topeka KS These two markets might have merged in the 80s had St Joseph's KQTV been successful in building a 2000 foot tower to put its channel 2 ABC signal into the Topeka market. I believe the ABC affiliated UHF station in Topeka filed to block KQTV's bid.
 
technically it already is. Cable and both satcos give you Indy stations. The CBS (WLFI) is co-owned with the CBS in Indy

Cable & satellite had to get permission from the Indianapolis stations to carry them in the Lafayette Indiana market, since it's a 1 TV station market. At least with cable, they also carry WTTW & their subchannels from Chicago too. It doesn't really make sense to have Lafayette Indiana as their own market, when they have to rely on Indianapolis for TV programming. Alpena, MI at least has 2 TV stations, with one of them being PBS, while the other has CBS on the main channel in 1080i HD, & Fox & ABC on subchannels. Why not merge Lafayette Indiana into the Indianapolis market?
 
The FCC has approved Sinclair’s purchase of Albritton, and that means ABC in Birmingham will likely move from 33.1/40.1/58.1 to 68.1, with MNT pushed to 68.2. 33 and 40 will likely go dark. I think Tuscaloosa and Anniston will remain in the Birmingham DMA, but the market would lose some counties due to 68's smaller signal. Cherokee County (Centre, Cedar Bluff) would be reassigned to Atlanta, while Marion (Hamilton) and Pickens (Reform, Aliceville) would go to Columbus/Tupelo.
 
The FCC has approved Sinclair’s purchase of Albritton, and that means ABC in Birmingham will likely move from 33.1/40.1/58.1 to 68.1, with MNT pushed to 68.2. 33 and 40 will likely go dark. I think Tuscaloosa and Anniston will remain in the Birmingham DMA, but the market would lose some counties due to 68's smaller signal. Cherokee County (Centre, Cedar Bluff) would be reassigned to Atlanta, while Marion (Hamilton) and Pickens (Reform, Aliceville) would go to Columbus/Tupelo.

I predict 58.1 remains on the air with MNTV and WABM rebrands as "ABC 12" (it's on cable 12 in Birmingham)
 
None of this will happen. The stations in those markets would have to agree to changes like that. Unless you can find ways those changes would improve the bottom line for all those stations it won't happen.
 
DMA are a product of Nielsen who can change them anytime it wants.

Now the federal government uses Nielsen's markets just because it's easier to do so, than create their own.

I just finished a great book on the history of cable TV and almost all of these small or odd markets were the result of strong politicians in Congress. It amazes me how much fiddling they did.
 
Why not merge Lafayette Indiana into the Indianapolis market?

the big difference between Lafayette and other 1 or 2 station markets like St Joe, Mankato, Presque Isle, Zanesville is the station in both markets is owned by same folks. So it seems logical for Lafayette to be part of Indy. Why not just make WLFI a satellite of the Indy CBS sans news?
 
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