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Indianapolis: CBS Moving from WISH to WTTV 1/1/2015

This: Probably to part-time carriage when CW is not programming (which leaves about 154 hours a week of ThisTV)
I would think it's more likely to be moved wholesale to a new 4.3. Not that the programming is pulling in viewers 24/7, but split time on a subchannel when you've got room to add another is a little absurd.

CW: Probably stays with WTTV because Tribune is a major partner of CW.
Not to mention that CBS is the "C" in "CW." If they're moving CBS affiliation to a station that is currently a primary CW affiliate, it would make sense to hold on to that CW affiliation and put it on a subchannel. CBS wins, Tribune wins, everyone's happy. Except LIN, of course.
 
I would think it's more likely to be moved wholesale to a new 4.3. Not that the programming is pulling in viewers 24/7, but split time on a subchannel when you've got room to add another is a little absurd.

I know that NBC requires that its affiliates maintain a certain minimum bitrate OTA, so if CBS does likewise, then WTTV may lack the bandwidth for more than CBS on 4.1 and CW on 4.2
 
Makes me wonder if ABC will finally be able to pick off KPLR/11 to be its St. Louis affiliate.

I think it could happen, because KDNL hasn't done any better since Sinclair renewed its affiliation agreement with ABC back in 2010. to me KDNL is an independent station, I don't consider them as an ABC affiliate, so other than KPLR, and maybe KTVI I don't see anybody within the St. Louis market interested in being an ABC affiliate
 
This is rumored to be a part of a larger plan by Tribune to boot The CW off of their stations, after Peter Liguori's comments about not being "pleased" with the network.
I agree, if that's the case, I see KTLA, WGN, WPIX, and the rest of The CW affiliates except for KPLR (I will touch that in a second) all going independent, I anticipate KPLR going to ABC, and KFOR going to Fox for the same reason why WTTV in Indy is going to CBS, Football. Tribune wanted WTTV to be a CBS station because of The Indianapolis Colts, being in the AFC (and CBS has the AFC Package), same thing with KFOR, I think Tribune would want OU Football games (that airs on Fox) to be on KFOR, and also I'm in Dallas Cowboys country, keep in mind The Cowboys are in the NFC, (Fox carries NFC games) so it would make sense by having the cowboys on Sunday afternoons, than on Sunday Nights, and additionally, for the newscasts that airs on KFOR by going to Fox the only changes to the schedule would be, moving the KAUT newscasts to KFOR, and moving the 6:30pm Newscast to 5:30pm, and have the early evening newscasts run from 4-6pm, that 6:30pm slot would be replaced by syndicated programming also, they would take the 9pm news on KAUT, move it to KFOR, expand it to 60 minutes, and fill in the weekend morning slots where the today show is at, and replace it with news. So I'm sure KFOR would want OU Football games and Dallas Cowboys NFL games (Sunday afternoons) now KOCO also shows OU football games but the only difference is if KFOR were to affiliate with ABC they would not have Dallas Cowboys games on Channel 4 anymore, so for me I would a lot rather see KFOR go with Fox than ABC for the same reason why WTTV went to CBS. NFL games on Sunday afternoons.
 
I anticipate KPLR going to ABC, and KFOR going to Fox for the same reason why WTTV in Indy is going to CBS, Football.

I think Tribune would want OU Football games (that airs on Fox) to be on KFOR, and also I'm in Dallas Cowboys country, keep in mind The Cowboys are in the NFC, (Fox carries NFC games) so it would make sense by having the cowboys on Sunday afternoons, than on Sunday Nights, and additionally, for the newscasts that airs on KFOR by going to Fox the only changes to the schedule would be, moving the KAUT newscasts to KFOR, and moving the 6:30pm Newscast to 5:30pm,

What would happen to NBC?
 
From the "Most Inexplicable Network Program Preemption" thread:

In 1994 when WAGA announced they were switching from CBS to Fox, they began piecemeal pre-emptions of CBS shows, starting with The Price Is Right and the entire Saturday morning kids line-up. At the last minute, then-independent WVEU (today CW's WUPA) stepped in and cleared Price until CBS found a new affiliate, which is now WGCL.

Do you think this would happen at WISH?
 
Do you think this would happen at WISH?

There's certainly the chance, especially with the way this went down. WJBK also stopped clearing certain low-rated CBS shows ahead of its affiliation switch, and of course KTVK gave up the entire network affiliation in the months leading up to January 1995.
 
Any of Tribune's other CW affiliates in play for one of the "Big 4"? Is WTTV locked into CW until 2016 or are they just putting on a subchannel to keep it away from WISH? Is WISH even interested in CW?
I doubt if WISH is even interested in The CW, I saw one report off of tvspy.com that WISH-TV would end up becoming an Independent station. Also as far as any other Tribune-Owned CW stations go, I think KPLR would end up affiliating with ABC, and KDNL ends up being The CW station, but outside of that. I think the rest of the Tribune owned-CW stations will go independent.
 
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LIN should be studying WJXT in Jacksonville hard. I bet WISH will pick up some of the syndicated programming from WTTV.

JXT dumped CBS when it was the 800lb gorilla in NEFL. They still are even as an indie, so.....no. They're also owned by Post-Newsweek. I do believe MG owns CW 17 there, so that won't work.

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I agree, if that's the case, I see KTLA, WGN, WPIX, and the rest of The CW affiliates except for KPLR (I will touch that in a second) all going independent, I anticipate KPLR going to ABC, and KFOR going to Fox for the same reason why WTTV in Indy is going to CBS, Football. Tribune wanted WTTV to be a CBS station because of The Indianapolis Colts, being in the AFC (and CBS has the AFC Package), same thing with KFOR, I think Tribune would want OU Football games (that airs on Fox) to be on KFOR, and also I'm in Dallas Cowboys country, keep in mind The Cowboys are in the NFC, (Fox carries NFC games) so it would make sense by having the cowboys on Sunday afternoons, than on Sunday Nights, and additionally, for the newscasts that airs on KFOR by going to Fox the only changes to the schedule would be, moving the KAUT newscasts to KFOR, and moving the 6:30pm Newscast to 5:30pm, and have the early evening newscasts run from 4-6pm, that 6:30pm slot would be replaced by syndicated programming also, they would take the 9pm news on KAUT, move it to KFOR, expand it to 60 minutes, and fill in the weekend morning slots where the today show is at, and replace it with news. So I'm sure KFOR would want OU Football games and Dallas Cowboys NFL games (Sunday afternoons) now KOCO also shows OU football games but the only difference is if KFOR were to affiliate with ABC they would not have Dallas Cowboys games on Channel 4 anymore, so for me I would a lot rather see KFOR go with Fox than ABC for the same reason why WTTV went to CBS. NFL games on Sunday afternoons.

I can defintely see Tribune dropping all CW affiliates to go independent within the coming years. The CW can find other homes (New York: WLNY/55, LA: KCAL/9, Chicago: WCIU/26, Dallas: KTXA/21, etc--the list could go on. Only ones I'm thinking that won't probably move would be the ones like in Houston, New Orleans, Miami, or DC).

It would be an interesting move to have WTTV become CBS despite the fact that Tribune didn't move Fox down to ch. 4 in the first place. Can't say I didn't see that coming.

KPLR, I can see go ABC in the coming years too and it can be a likely move too. I'm sure KDNL wouldn't mind becoming the CW afterwards and possibly MyNetworkTV on a subchannel?

As for KFOR, that move makes just as much sense as Fox moving down to WOAI in San Antonio and NBC going to KABB. In other words, that is highly unlikely. Now if Oklahoma City were to have an NFL team in the NFC conference, then that would be more likely (that's the word in San Antonio about the Raiders possibly moving from Oakland btw, however, it wouldn't matter since the Raiders are an AFC team and CBS affiliate KENS probably won't be worried about that if they do move).

Another Tribune statement: Do you think WPHL/Philly is fine with MyNetworkTV? They are treating that station like an independent I believe. And since Fox owns WTXF, I doubt Fox would let go of the Eagles games on WTXF. Similar to Seattle with Tribune-owned Fox KCPQ in which I read somewhere that Fox was interested in purchasing the Tribune duopoly.
 
JXT dumped CBS when it was the 800lb gorilla in NEFL. They still are even as an indie, so.....no. They're also owned by Post-Newsweek. I do believe MG owns CW 17 there, so that won't work.

G

CW 17 is owned by Nexstar Broadcasting. And Post-Newsweek renamed themselves as Graham Media Group just recently.

Also I'm not surprised that WJXT didn't pull a KRON and went MyNetworkTV when it launched in 2006.
 
negative, WCWJ in Jacksonville is owned by Nexstar

On October 29, 2007, Media General announced that the company was exploring the sale of WCWJ. On January 28, 2009, the Nexstar Broadcasting Group announced that it had reached an agreement to purchase WCWJ. The deal was finalized on May 1, 2009. As a result, WCWJ became the first CW affiliate to be owned and operated directly by Nexstar (Nexstar later acquired three other CW affiliates along with one CW-affiliated digital subchannel from Newport Television and also holds the license assets of CW affiliate WLYH-TV/Harrisburg through a shared services agreement with the Sinclair Broadcast Group) and at the time, became Nexstar's largest television station by market size (a distinction now held by the Salt Lake City duopoly of KTVX and KUCW). The WCWJ website was redesigned almost immediately after Nexstar closed on its purchase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCWJ#CW_affiliation_and_sale_to_Nexstar
 
I think it could happen, because KDNL hasn't done any better since Sinclair renewed its affiliation agreement with ABC back in 2010. to me KDNL is an independent station, I don't consider them as an ABC affiliate, so other than KPLR, and maybe KTVI I don't see anybody within the St. Louis market interested in being an ABC affiliate

With Sinclair among the top three ABC affiliate groups now that they have Allbritton, this seems a little less likely, a 50/50 proposition now. A couple of years ago I could have seen it much more, though Trib only had WGNO back then as an ABC affiliate, and even now only has three ABC's after the Local TV LLC merger. At this point ABC can't find any reason to get SBG's ire; the days of the Nightline war dead list being aired despite Sinclair's objections are long over and you never hear about any ABC/Sinclair skirmishes any longer since they know it's a good chunk of their viewership. I would keep a watch on how that St. Louis renewal pans out, though if KDNL has to go CW, at least they have the Nielsen scratch-filled schedule already as an ABC affiliate to go with it.

I have seen little mention of what's going on with WTTK though in all of this, especially with the CW/CBS split and the bandwidth fun to come for the engineering department :confused:. What I can see happening though with WTTV is the same arrangement Trib has with their Fox and MyNet stations in Seattle; KCPQ broadcasts from the west shore of Puget Sound on the Olympic Peninsula (licensed to Tacoma), so they use KZJO to rebroadcast KCPQ on their .2, which broadcasts from north of downtown to provide the center of town and northern suburbs a clean Fox signal in some way. With WTTV, they could easily use their satellite WTTK (licensed to Kokomo, but broadcasting from the WXIN tower in the digital age) to provide a full-HD CW signal for antenna viewers on their 29.2 and a reduced 720p/480i signal for CBS on 29.1, while the reverse occurs with WTTV; HQ HD for CBS on 4.1, 480i widescreen for CW on 4.2 (On cable/sat, they'll just get 1080i via fiber to the headend, no doubt, so it's just a matter of bumping over a public access channel or infomercial pipe for whatever new channel CW 4.2 gets). Both WTTK and WTTV have a big overlap in the digital age, so however they do it for now it should still work out for CBS and CW viewers over the air.
 
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With Sinclair among the top three ABC affiliate groups now that they have Allbritton, this seems a little less likely, a 50/50 proposition now. A couple of years ago I could have seen it much more, though Trib only had WGNO back then as an ABC affiliate, and even now only has three ABC's after the Local TV LLC merger. At this point ABC can't find any reason to get SBG's ire; the days of the Nightline war dead list being aired despite Sinclair's objections are long over and you never hear about any ABC/Sinclair skirmishes any longer since they know it's a good chunk of their viewership. I would keep a watch on how that St. Louis renewal pans out, though if KDNL has to go CW, at least they have the Nielsen scratch-filled schedule already as an ABC affiliate to go with it.

I have seen little mention of what's going on with WTTK though in all of this, especially with the CW/CBS split and the bandwidth fun to come for the engineering department :confused:. What I can see happening though with WTTV is the same arrangement Trib has with their Fox and MyNet stations in Seattle; KCPQ broadcasts from the west shore of Puget Sound on the Olympic Peninsula (licensed to Tacoma), so they use KZJO to rebroadcast KCPQ on their .2, which broadcasts from north of downtown to provide the center of town and northern suburbs a clean Fox signal in some way. With WTTV, they could easily use their satellite WTTK (licensed to Kokomo, but broadcasting from the WXIN tower in the digital age) to provide a full-HD CW signal for antenna viewers on their 29.2 and a reduced 720p/480i signal for CBS on 29.1, while the reverse occurs with WTTV; HQ HD for CBS on 4.1, 480i widescreen for CW on 4.2 (On cable/sat, they'll just get 1080i via fiber to the headend, no doubt, so it's just a matter of bumping over a public access channel or infomercial pipe for whatever new channel CW 4.2 gets). Both WTTK and WTTV have a big overlap in the digital age, so however they do it for now it should still work out for CBS and CW viewers over the air.

But KCPQ and KZJO are two stations; WTTV/WTTK is one station with two transmitters. Tribune told the FCC in its satellite continuation request that operating WTTK as a stand-alone station would not be feasible.
http://admin.epiq11.com/onlinedocuments/trb/exhibits/npp fcc/FCC0022.pdf
 
I agree, if that's the case, I see KTLA, WGN, WPIX, and the rest of The CW affiliates except for KPLR (I will touch that in a second) all going independent, I anticipate KPLR going to ABC, and KFOR going to Fox for the same reason why WTTV in Indy is going to CBS, Football. Tribune wanted WTTV to be a CBS station because of The Indianapolis Colts, being in the AFC (and CBS has the AFC Package), same thing with KFOR, I think Tribune would want OU Football games (that airs on Fox) to be on KFOR, and also I'm in Dallas Cowboys country, keep in mind The Cowboys are in the NFC, (Fox carries NFC games) so it would make sense by having the cowboys on Sunday afternoons, than on Sunday Nights, and additionally, for the newscasts that airs on KFOR by going to Fox the only changes to the schedule would be, moving the KAUT newscasts to KFOR, and moving the 6:30pm Newscast to 5:30pm, and have the early evening newscasts run from 4-6pm, that 6:30pm slot would be replaced by syndicated programming also, they would take the 9pm news on KAUT, move it to KFOR, expand it to 60 minutes, and fill in the weekend morning slots where the today show is at, and replace it with news. So I'm sure KFOR would want OU Football games and Dallas Cowboys NFL games (Sunday afternoons) now KOCO also shows OU football games but the only difference is if KFOR were to affiliate with ABC they would not have Dallas Cowboys games on Channel 4 anymore, so for me I would a lot rather see KFOR go with Fox than ABC for the same reason why WTTV went to CBS. NFL games on Sunday afternoons.

Hitler DC has no choice but to leave WDCW as a CW affilate. CBS and ABC are all on VHF channels.
 
I can defintely see Tribune dropping all CW affiliates to go independent within the coming years. The CW can find other homes (New York: WLNY/55, LA: KCAL/9, Chicago: WCIU/26, Dallas: KTXA/21, etc--the list could go on. Only ones I'm thinking that won't probably move would be the ones like in Houston, New Orleans, Miami, or DC).
The CW is capable of surviving a Tribune exodus. There will be stations in the affected markets that will gladly take it. Case in point, MyNet station WKTC jumped at the CW affiliation when ION bought WZRB.

Another Tribune statement: Do you think WPHL/Philly is fine with MyNetworkTV? They are treating that station like an independent I believe. And since Fox owns WTXF, I doubt Fox would let go of the Eagles games on WTXF. Similar to Seattle with Tribune-owned Fox KCPQ in which I read somewhere that Fox was interested in purchasing the Tribune duopoly.
A likely scenario is Fox trading KRIV/KTXH to Tribune for KCPQ/KZJO, and possibly throw in KTBC to sweeten the deal. Tribune would have to sell KIAH, though.
 
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