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Future of 1210 AM in Philadelphia

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Once again, people parrot the industry line/conventional wisdom and call it expertise..

No, we call it "reality". Times change, and what was once appealing no longer works and new programming techniques are developed.

As soon as radio's golden age ended and radio became about personality DJs,

Stop there. When radio programming slowly morphed from network fare to "music and news" it took over a decade to happen and involved factors as diverse as James Petrillo's loss of control of radio's programming of recorded music to the lifting of the TV freeze and the "invention" of the Top 40 format in Omaha and the birth of rock and roll.

The truth is that radio became about playing recorded music... much more recorded music than in the Petrillo controlled days. Add in the huge growth in the number of stations where AM license counts grew more than three-fold from the end of the War to 1960, and there were lots of hours to be filled with records. In most cases, the model for music presentation was more "Martin Block" than "Alan Freed". The DJ evolved, also over a very long period of time.

In many cases, the DJ spoke excessively and irrelevantly. In other cases, we found stars. But for every Gary Stevens or Dan Ingraham there were dozens of guys with much less talent reinforced by a decent voice and a gym bag full of joke service booklets with tired one liners. Your statement wildly exaggerates the role of the DJ, which in many situations was simply the same as the person who does the presentation for a famous singer's concert: the folks are there for the music, not the presentation.

management has tried to diminish their role (their influence and their paychecks). Stations hired top jocks away from competitors and audiences followed them.

Those statements are patently contradictory. If you hire jocks away from other stations, you have to pay more, not less.

For many decades, from the 50's up to the Internet / PPM era, stations tried to get the best talent they could afford in the formats where it mattered. Good small market stations became farm clubs for larger markets, and people's salaries rose as they progressed in market size or got better shifts if they stayed in-market. Managers were pleased to pay for measurable results.

First the payola scandal allowed management to take music selection away from jocks (and collect "incentives" from record companies themselves).

While payola did cause many stations to develop better music policies, most Top 40 stations already had playlists and rotations and had removed music decisions from the DJs. And when the owners exercised their responsibilities as licensees to avoid illegal practices, they did not immediately gain any benefit from the record companies... it would be more than a quarter century later that the changed role of independent promoters could garner a few boxes of T-shirts or some bumper stickers for a station.

The consultants like Drake allowed management to take the personality away from air personalities

The Drake stations like KHJ, WRKO, CKLW and KFRC were amazingly personable and incredibly tight. Drake actually brought personality back to radio when it was declining into a quagmire of long jingles, long jock raps and tired phrases and gimmicks. Some of the best talent in radio was on those Drake stations... Robert W Morgan, Dale Dorman, Dr. Don Rose, The Real Don Steele and many others. They sounded great because, like a good NFL team, they had good coaching.

- to make them interchangeable - to transfer listener loyalty from the jock to the station. Management made it difficult - often impossible - for air talent to command salaries or to take listeners with them. All that was required were decent pipes and the ability to give time-temperature-call letters for a four hour shift.

That was not what a Drake station was about. Some imitators confused brevity of expression for just limiting talk, but those Drake stations were exciting, fun and full of forward momentum.

One way to accomplish this was to spread the lie (based on zero evidence) that "listeners" claimed jocks talked too much.

The "zero evidence" in 1965 was that KHJ beat KFWB and KRLA in just a few months. Later, real research found that poor jocks that talked too much were not liked by listeners. By the time we got to the PPM era, it was found that audiences had changed and in many formats the jock's role had to be adapted or modified. Today, we have much of the Millenial generation which prefers mixers to presenters and thus rejects most traditional style jocks entirely.

The same listeners who followed jocks from one station to the next, who quoted them the next day and who remember them fondly half a century later.

In many cases, that's an observation appropriate for times long past. Today, many listeners want to know what gossip or tidbit Ryan Seacrest picked up last night rather than listening to a bit in between songs. Many hugely popular talents from the 70's and 80's don't work in PPM, as moment by moment meter counts will show that audiences often go away when they do the kinds of bits that worked in the diary days of decades past.

How do you tell when managers lie?
Their lips are moving.

Cheap shot. I've known far, far, far more responsible, ethical managers than crooked and deceitful ones. And that goes for people in the same company as well as competitors. All fields have their bad apples, and I don't think radio is any more prone to having them than, say, insurance companies.

And synethedroid elevator music offers nothing anyone can't get better from Pandora.

A well programmed AC station with a curated, listener-researched playlist (again, WBEB is not elevator music) is vastly preferred to a computer algorithm driven pure-play. That's why WBEB is the #1 station in Philadelphia in cume, reaching 1,400,000 persons weekly on average. It's also, on average, the #1 station in 12+ in the market... showing that, despite commercials, a well programmed and well promoted station will attract listeners in huge numbers.
 
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Another issue not mentioned (can't wait to see how you'll twist this one): Selling. Personality jocks sold product. Personality jocks were foreground radio; not background radio (for supermarkets and dentists' offices). People listened to jocks, often believed what they said and generally remembered the advertisers' message - because they paid attention.

We are in the era of "programmed buying" where live reads and such are no longer on the advertiser's wish list. Computers buy based on complex algorithms that include rate, reach and frequency, buying patterns by format and other such goodies. You are waxing nostalgic over things that just don't work or "sell" any longer.

They also realized that the audience composition changes over the course of a day and a station should not sound same all the time.

In an era where there are often dozens of music choices on the radio in larger markets, individual station audience composition does not vary all that much... what varies is audience mood. Stations have long factored that in with the appropriate inclusion or exclusion of certain music in different dayparts.
 
People listened to jocks, often believed what they said and generally remembered the advertisers' message - because they paid attention. And, oh yes, personality jocks weren't do five minute stop sets from which listeners tune out completely (figuratively and literally). One reason management likes stop-sets is to get rid of jocks, who once wove spots into shows. Listeners hate them and advertisers are short-changed. One reason why both groups have bailed out on radio.

Regarding people believing jocks, sure, and back then, people also believed newspapers and Walter Cronkite. Why? Because they didn't know any better. The DJ would tell them "Paul is dead," and the listeners believed. But you keep on making stuff up, and sooner or later it hurts your credibility. That's why when Roby Yonge started the "Paul Is Dead" rumor, he was immediately fired. But the damage was done.

Today, there are hundreds of times more DJs than there were in the 60s because there are many times more radio stations that hire them. Any time you have so many people doing something, you lose control over the quality, and those people no longer are able to have the connection with the stars that gave them their power. Their power and believability has been diluted by their numbers. They're left reading the same internet stories that the public can read for themselves. Sure there are a handful of syndicated hosts, like Seacrest, who are in the right place, Los Angeles, to have first-person stories about the stars. But some local DJ in Cape Girardeau is too removed from where the action is to have any first hand knowledge.

Regarding advertisers wanting live reads, that is limited to those advertisers who can't hire their own credible spokespeople. We still get lots of scripts from advertisers who want host reads, but they tend to come from 1-800 numbers or drug companies. Advertisers want control over the message. They know the spots they make represent their product, so they are very concerned about how those spots sound, and the environment where they are.

As for weaving spots into shows, the jocks didn't do that. The spots were all scheduled in the program log. The jock did what the log said. Even in the 60s. I have copies of program logs from stations around the country, and you can see this for yourself. The reason radio went from spots between every song to multiple spot stop sets is because the FM stations, who were running fewer breaks, were getting a larger share of the audience. So researchers did studies, and determined that the audience preferred fewer breaks, not more. Take a look at TV. How many commercial breaks do you have per hour, and how do you feel about them? Weaving spots into shows was only possible when the sponsor bought the entire show, as when Alan Freed had a local record store sponsor his Moondog Matinee. But that kind of advertising started to disappear in the 60s.

The big reality in all of this, however, has nothing to do with radio. The 5-minute spots sets began in the 70s, and people put up with them. What really has changed the marketplace, especially for advertisers, is the number of alternatives available for them, the multiplicity of ways to reach customers, and the varying costs of buying that advertising. Radio is an expensive choice. Online is one-fifth the price. So as an advertiser, you go with the cheaper way of reaching the same people. There is nothing radio can do to change that. What we have done, and what lots of other radio stations are doing, is become a major player online. That way you sell on-air and online together in a package. But in neither case are most advertisers looking for host reads, even if it's offered, unless it's a nationally known host.
 
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Irrespective of how times and audiences have changed (or why they did), 50,000 watt omni WPHT is not very likely to get any healthier by changing format. I doubt that they've found the precise future format even if Sonderling, Sklar, Abrams, Drake, Shannon et al all were put in the same room and told not to come out until they reached accord on a miracle cure.

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Regarding people believing jocks, sure, and back then, people also believed newspapers and Walter Cronkite. Why? Because they didn't know any better.

And now they believe Rush Lardbutt and TMZ (The Moron Zone.) This is an improvement???
 
And now they believe Rush Lardbutt and TMZ (The Moron Zone.) This is an improvement???

That's the interesting part. They believe those guys because there's an entire media system built around them and what they say. TMZ has become believable because, and this is the amazing part, they usually are right. Is it an improvement? Probably not. Certainly not from the POV of celebrities. But it's the reality in which we all work. It also explains why the DJ in Cape Girardeau seems so passé, regardless of what he says. So the local DJ didn't lose because management didn't want to pay him. He lost because he can't compete against Rush and TMZ. It's the free and open information marketplace. If a local DJ becomes a dependable source of content, he will get picked up in a minute for syndication. That's where most of the syndicated radio hosts are coming from. Just being on the radio isn't enough any more. We all know it. It's just the beginning. THAT is what killed the local radio star. Not syndication, not consolidation, not cheap owners, but the cheap and easy access to the content people want.
 
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If a local DJ becomes a dependable source of content, he will get picked up in a minute for syndication. That's where most of the syndicated radio hosts are coming from. Just being on the radio isn't enough any more. We all know it. It's just the beginning. THAT is what killed the local radio star. Not syndication, not consolidation, not cheap owners, but the cheap and easy access to the content people want.

As proof of your point: when American Top 40 rolled out around 1970, Casey Kasem quickly took ownership of the "Chart Authority" position. Backed with a team of writers and producers, his content was vastly superior to that of any local "and here's number 32, moving up from 35th last week" countdown.

The local countdown died. AT40 had a better host with better content and great production values.
 
As proof of your point: when American Top 40 rolled out around 1970, Casey Kasem quickly took ownership of the "Chart Authority" position. Backed with a team of writers and producers, his content was vastly superior to that of any local "and here's number 32, moving up from 35th last week" countdown.

I agree with that. My problem with Casey is he didn't change with the times. When Rick Dees launched his Weekly Top 40, he did something Casey didn't do, which was actually interview the stars. Dees moved the football down the field, and Casey never responded. Of course Casey has heritage, and heritage has power. But when Seacrest took over AT40, he immediately added star interviews.

The fact that syndicated hosts get big star interviews has made it harder for local hosts to build credibility. The advantage of being local, which is a huge advantage, will lose out of you don't have access to topical content that the audience wants to hear. If you're a creative local host, you may be able to overcome this. But if not, you'll lose to someone who has access to the content people want.
 
I agree with that. My problem with Casey is he didn't change with the times. When Rick Dees launched his Weekly Top 40, he did something Casey didn't do, which was actually interview the stars. Dees moved the football down the field, and Casey never responded. Of course Casey has heritage, and heritage has power. But when Seacrest took over AT40, he immediately added star interviews.
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All Mr. Disco Duck added to the mix was snarky humor aimed at the level of pimply Mad Magazine readers. "Shoot low, pardner, they're ridin' Shetland Ponies..."
 
I must admit, after the over-rated Phillies have finally finished their horrible season, once again, 1210 has reverted back to a better form of radio. Now Hannity is on his 9-12-midnight slot, although I would prefer his live time, 3-6, and they do start CTCAM's program an hour earlier, from midnight to 5AM, the first hour is a repeat of the last hour the previous night. So they are sounding a bit better, this makes US old, white, republican, endangered species, fat, right winged guys very content, although it may agitate many lefts. If they can just grab Ground Zero to replace Hannity and put him on 3-6 that would be ideal. I usually listen to GZ via WILM which is a fairly good catch some nights in Center City.
 
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I must admit, after the over-rated Phillies have finally finished their horrible season, once again, 1210 has reverted back to a better form of radio. Now Hannity is on his 9-12-midnight slot, although I would prefer his live time, 3-6, and they do start CTCAM's program an hour earlier, from midnight to 5AM, the first hour is a repeat of the last hour the previous night. So they are sounding a bit better, this makes US old, white, republican, endangered species, fat, right winged guys very content, although it may agitate many lefts. If they can just grab Ground Zero to replace Hannity and put him on 3-6 that would be ideal. I usually listen to GZ via WILM which is a fairly good catch some nights in Center City.

Add "ignorant," "illiterate" and "bigoted" and you've captured 1210's target demo. WPHT is their WURD. Hate speech for the great unwashed.

On a warm day you can walk through a trailer park, when the trailers have their windows open, and not miss a word of Rush.

But forget "content." White trash tea geezers live to be angry. 1210 keeps them going between cross burnings.

As does WILM, for its dozens of listeners.

Dead air would be a "better form of radio."
 
Nice broad brush. Every single person who doesn't vote Democrat is out burning crosses. Gee if we could just intern all Republicans, the Democrats could have all the power and build Utopia but noooo......... Then we could have leftist "love talk" on 1210
 
cbs will keep talk on 1210
because Phillly has no other right wing talk station. ( other than low rated WNTP
which isn't a factor)
 
Ooooooooh! This conversation just took an UGLY TURN!

Sometimes I get to the point I think I can walk into a room where a nasty family fight is going on and negotiate some peace and order.

There was a time when political "family fights" took place in what we call "smoke filled back rooms" out of public sight.

Today political "family fights" take place on the radio, on cable talk channels, in the local coffee shop, on the Internet and via those damnable ROBO-CALLS that interrupt my dinner.

How do we have a mature and adult conversation here in a discussion forum about the fact that the American public is proving every day that we cannot have a mature and adult conversation about our politics and and our system of governance?

It would help if the people who own a license to operate a broadcast station assumed (as their pioneers did a couple of generations ago) that what they had is a license to be a "sherpa" and lead their community through the tough parts of the trail.

I know. Some of my peers will come back and tell me I am seeing the past through rose colored glasses, but I worked for some licensees back then who demonstrated that was their view of what they were licensed to do when they instructed me what I could and should put on the air.
 
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