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FredLeonard
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Certain stations operate on delay. No fun to listen to a game at the ballpark when the play by play is delayed. That will kill ballpark listening as quickly as anything.
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The delay is fine if you're at the game, because you can see and react to what's happening right in front of you. Having a radio is useful is if there's a contentious or confusing play, or if a player is injured, or if you want the very latest on a key game taking place elsewhere that affects your team. For stuff like that, it doesn't matter that the play-by-play on your radio is five seconds behind the on-field action, because you're listening for the things the announcers say during pauses in the action.
What I can't stand is turning down the volume on the TV so I can hear my team's announcers rather than the network's guys, only to find that the radio play-by-play is AHEAD of what I'm watching. Nothing kills the thrill of a game-winning hit than to hear it called five seconds before you see it!
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FredLeonard
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For me, the pbp out of sync with visual reality drove me crazy. If I'm interested in another game, too, I prefer to follow website text displays.
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K.M. Richards
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Helpful hint #5936: If you have a DVR, pause the live television feed for a few seconds, to bring it into sync with the radio audio.
It sounds like it's the other way around: The delay in the TV feed causes it to lag behind the radio.
I've found that watching the same show on three TVs gives three different results. The topic is on this board somewhere. I think I called it "ECHO! ECHO! ECHO!" if it;s possible to search for it. Though I don't have a TV where the OTA signal goes right into the TV.
KNBR in San Francisco is spot on as it happens. Here in Fresno when KMJ did the Fresno State games it was on delay, now that they are on KFIG there is no delay.
Google Scanmaster radio to match the radio to your tv.
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MickeyD
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Digital video has a delay it ain't like the old analog days. When you watch a reporter on he street bobbing his head up and down, t means they know they are on the air but have not hear the question that they ar ebeing asked.
My, hasn't our thread about the ill-health of AM radio taken some interesting side-trails now-and-then! But some of these tangents are useful for understanding the pressures on AM radio.
Not all the delay in modern (digital) TV is at the station in the transmission process.... as I had assumed. I needed to be able to watch my main largest-screen TV while catching the audio via a headset. No headphone jack on my TV set. (Just a digital TOS-LINK out.) Fine. there is an audio out on the cable box. Problem solved. Get a cable to match the RCA-jack output to my headphone. OOOOOPS! There is significant delay withing the TV set itself as it decodes the video for screen display. Enough delay to make the watching/listening experience unacceptable. Trip to town: purchase a fiber-optical connecting cable, an optical-digital to analog converter, and a little four-output headphone amplifier.
We used to have jerry-rigged collections of electrical stuff to listen even to AM radio in the old days. Today, AM radio has to compete with all the on-the-move stuff like little shirt-pocket or clip-on MP3 players and the smart fones. Successful radio, AM or FM understands the on-the-move disconnected audience. That part of the AM spectrum inhabited by the religion and political talkers and language-other-than-English audience has to be smarter than the average bear to figure out the traits of their audience. Is their audience jogging the local nature trail with a radio the size of a modest harmonica clipped on their tee-shirt sleeve, or are they sitting in a recliner or a wheel-chair at home wearing a headset.... maybe. Or are they on a construction site with the radio blaring loudly. Would it make a difference in how you produce and voice the station breaks and commercials if you knew how they were listening?
I had thought the delay in live sportscasts was a reaction to the Janet Jackson kerfuffle of a few years ago; to allow for "wardrobe malfunctions" or blooping players' verbal slips during interviews. It sure does make trying to listen to play-by-play on radio while watching TV intolerable. Anyone else wonder why (especially in baseball) TV sportscasters, where you can see the action, often do more descriptive yakking than those on radio, where you can't? And don't even get me started about the CGI graphic clutter on TV sports...
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the FCC compelled TV stations to trasmit in HD.
why won't the FCC compel AM & FM to transmit in HD ?
why won't the FCC compel AM & FM to transmit in HD ?
Hardly any DTV stations or networks have any intentional program delay. Most of the delay from the source is caused by satellite delay (for network or sports programming), combined with typical delays caused by encoding, up-conversion and receiver delay. Then the local cable company or satellite company adds their additional delay from multiplexing, conversion and encoding.
There continues not to be a video delay for TV stations... If someone can invent that, imagine the kind of market that would arise. There was a ruling made that somehow the FCC had overreached in the indecency punishment of this matter. If somebody can help me retrieve that information, I'd appreciate it because I can't find it.
TV nearly always has a color commentator along with the play by play person, descriptive dialog sounds more conversational than an exact accounting of the events. I do love mlb.tv because I can watch the game, and listen to the radio play by play in perfect time.
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FredLeonard
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They hire ex-jocks and as a result, the quality of PBP is terrible.
However, the original point here was listening to the game AT the game. Radio delay, not TV delay.
However, the original point here was listening to the game AT the game. Radio delay, not TV delay.
A TV delay system like this? http://www.abekas.com/product/AirCleaner/page1038.htm
There are several ways to do intentional delay for TV. That being said, just because there are commercial ones available, doesn't mean most TV stations will bother owning one.
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MickeyD
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AM radio is just about dead. Many stations are being run into the ground and if that doesn't convince many of you, ask yourself how many US manufacturers there are still in business to service AM FM or even TV stations. They said the same thing before they de-commisioned the radiotelegraph service in this country. The only commercial telegraph stations that are o the air are being run by enthusiasts.
I believe most of that delay is associated with satellite links. Yes, there is some delay because of A/D and D/A conversions, but nothing like satellite link delays.
I've seen upwards of five and six seconds delay, when multiple satellite links are involved, particularly video feeds from the Middle East and Asia, when working with studio newscasters at US based operations.
You'd have pretty much the same delay with multiple satellite hops, even if the transport was analog.
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I probably should have clarified that I am watching an over-the-air signal; I don't have cable or satellite.
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I'm going to disagree with you here, but only to further prove your point!
While a few AMs have coverage no FM can match (e.g., the daytime coverage of those on the prairies with omnidirectional antennas, on 30 μS/m soil, and the night coverage of the Class A AMs), the vast majority of AMs have worse (often far inferior) coverage at night, as interference ramps up and arrays switch to DA patterns, and, too often, that nighttime skywave coverage is ruined by consumer electronics and non-compliant stations.
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