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Indoor TV Antenna's -----> HELP!

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Moved to the Engineering forum. Frank.


I live in an apartment and I'm about 45 miles west of Atlanta. I have tried a few different amplified TV antenna's inside my home including the Wingard FL-55YR and I am getting NOTHING. Where I live is NOT covered in trees. I just am a good distance away from the broadcast towers. Majority of people I know that get local channels over the air are getting them from outdoor antennas but this is simply not an option for me as I live in an apartment.

Could you please give me some pointers on a top notch indoor antenna. I'm willing to pay $100 for one - If it works, it would beat paying that in two months for cable.
 
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NOTE: Moderators, if this has been posted to the wrong forum, please move to correct forum. I'm not familiar with the TV side of this site.

Moved to the Engineering forum. Frank.


I live in an apartment and I'm about 45 miles west of Atlanta. I have tried a few different amplified TV antenna's inside my home including the Wingard FL-55YR and I am getting NOTHING. Where I live is NOT covered in trees. I just am a good distance away from the broadcast towers. Majority of people I know that get local channels over the air are getting them from outdoor antennas but this is simply not an option for me as I live in an apartment.

Could you please give me some pointers on a top notch indoor antenna. I'm willing to pay $100 for one - If it works, it would beat paying that in two months for cable.

Another apartment dweller here. I'm afraid that if your building is brick/concrete and steel and you're not within a few miles of a transmitter site, you're screwed unless you get cable. I've eliminated TV entirely in the past five years and get all the video I want via Internet streaming sites, "official" and offshore.
 
Try moving the antenna to in front of a window that faces the transmitters. If that does not work, try opening the window and putting the antenna on the sill.

Also remember that most stations are UHF nowadays (affects antenna selection).

And check your FCC regulations on putting up an outdoor antenna or dish.
 
I don't have a particular antenna recommendation because my situation is different. I have full-power TV towers to pretty much every cardinal direction at close range from my home, so I need a low gain omnidirectional antenna.

I would suggest a highly directional antenna for your situation. Here's one that's highly reviewed on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Amplified-High-Definition-Antenna-Reception/dp/B0007MXZB2
 
IF you have a balcony or area that is under your lease and not common to others, you CAN put an outside antenna there...

Read the OTARD rules at the FCC web site...When I was living in an apartment, I put a RS VU90 out on the "porch" area...though I was on the bottom floor, it was better than anything inside....Dont use cheap amps, etc...if you are a good distance from where the towers are, I HIGHLY suggest a Channel Master CM7777...45 miles west of ATL is gonna be an iffy unless you can get outside AND pointed in that direction..otherwise, you are SOL......
 
BTW forget Terk or other garbage...they look pretty but do not perform for what you needed....There are still 2 VHF High band channels in ATL, one is PBS..the other is NBC (11.1 virtual but actually RF10)....no small junky thing will pick them up...you need a reliable REAL antenna....(OMG!! I just looked at that Terk model...What a POS......they claim it picks up 2-69?? Yeah, like a piece of spaghetti would!!! What a lying sack of.......well you get the picture. You want an antenna, you want a REAL antenna like http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-HD76...antennas&pebp=1421286003054&peasin=B001DFTGR4 or
http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-HD76...8&qid=1421286029&sr=1-24&keywords=TV+antennas

If you are on a second story, try a pair a rabbit ears (REALLY) NO CLOSER than 10 ft from the TV with a CM7777 amp...you might get lucky..but then you would have to adjust the length for every channel...there IS one that was shown as a DTV transmission/testing seminar held by Greg Sgrignoli of MSW (MSWDTV.com) that was tested on an antenna range...its a single element and looks somewhat like a B2 bomber...but it WORKS and has a good pattern across VHF hi and UHF...I'll see if I can dig up the info on it...Greg said MOST antennas they tested were so far off the "specs" posted it was ridiculous...he holds a MSEE and WAS part of the ASTC/DTV design team...I think he knows the truth)...

Go to TVfool.com and enter your address and zip and you'll get the info on where the towers are and distance, etc...If you are on a 2nd or higher floor with a balcony pointed toward ATL, you should be able to get them with a decent antenna (one that covers RF 7 and up.....not those "DTV" antennas that are made for UHF only...and won't work worth a flip at VHF high)..Channel Master and Wineguard both made such...(there are some lowband VHFs but they are lowpower...I wouldn't bother with them)...
 
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Might I add that the further you are from the TV tower, the more you need to have your antenna pointed just the RIGHT way. I've noticed that if your antenna is just a couple of degrees off, trying to get a distant station, you might miss it completely. It isn't like in analog days, where you'd still get a picture if you're not pointed correctly but it would be fuzzy. With digital, you could go from nothing at all to a perfect picture with just a slight adjustment.

TV Fool can help point the antenna the right way. But so can trial and error.

I've also found that distant signals come in better at night. I have a lakeside cottage in NH, 100 miles from Boston. We can't get any Boston stations in the daytime. At high noon, even nearby stations from Portland ME may drop out for a few seconds or the picture may freeze. But at night, till a couple of hours after sunrise, we can sometimes get several Boston stations. Again, the antenna has to be pointed just right. Some Providence RI stations even come in a few early mornings each month. That's about 130 miles away. But that's with a rooftop antenna with a rotor.
 
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BTW forget Terk or other garbage...they look pretty but do not perform for what you needed....There are still 2 VHF High band channels in ATL, one is PBS..the other is NBC (11.1 virtual but actually RF10)....no small junky thing will pick them up...you need a reliable REAL antenna....(OMG!! I just looked at that Terk model...What a POS......they claim it picks up 2-69?? Yeah, like a piece of spaghetti would!!! What a lying sack of.......well you get the picture. You want an antenna, you want a REAL antenna like http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-HD76...antennas&pebp=1421286003054&peasin=B001DFTGR4 or
http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-HD76...8&qid=1421286029&sr=1-24&keywords=TV+antennas
I agree, a large antenna would be better, but somehow I think it would be hard to mount an 8ft long antenna into an apartment, so I pointed the OP to a smallish antenna that would be better than the hoop antennas found at Wal-Mart.
 
Might I add that the further you are from the TV tower, the more you need to have your antenna pointed just the RIGHT way. I've noticed that if your antenna is just a couple of degrees off, trying to get a distant station, you might miss it completely. It isn't like in analog days, where you'd still get a picture if you're not pointed correctly but it would be fuzzy. With digital, you could go from nothing at all to a perfect picture with just a slight adjustment.

TV Fool can help point the antenna the right way. But so can trial and error.

I've also found that distant signals come in better at night. I have a lakeside cottage in NH, 100 miles from Boston. We can't get any Boston stations in the daytime. At high noon, even nearby stations from Portland ME may drop out for a few seconds or the picture may freeze. But at night, till a couple of hours after sunrise, we can sometimes get several Boston stations. Again, the antenna has to be pointed just right. Some Providence RI stations even come in a few early mornings each month. That's about 130 miles away. But that's with a rooftop antenna with a rotor.

Depends on terrain....I had a Radio Shack VU90 at 20ft with a CM7777 right under it...could pick up Houston's full power DTVs 24/7....That was 100 miles as the crow flies....(of course Houston stations being on 2000 ft towers didnt hurt either)
 
I'm aware that outdoor antenna's would be the best but this is simply not an option considering I live in an Apartment complex where only satellites are allowed. Looks like I'm SOL. I've tried amplified antennas with an additional pre-amp and while it sorta helps slightly, it still doesn't get the job done.
 
The rooftop is probably out.

"The rule applies to individuals who place antennas that meet size limitations on property that they own or rent and that is within their exclusive use or control, including condominium owners and cooperative owners, and tenants who have an area where they have exclusive use, such as a balcony or patio, in which to install the antenna. The rule applies to townhomes and manufactured homes, as well as to single family homes."
 
With the popularity of cutting the cord and going to antennas, it would appear we would be further along in technology that would allow for more sophisticated indoor antennas for TV. I know radio and TV work different but still, it just seems like the suggestions are still outdoor bulky antennas (same ones that were used in the 80s). Normally I can't keep up with modern age technology but with TV antennas, I don't think it's progressing fast enough.
 
I'm aware that outdoor antenna's would be the best but this is simply not an option considering I live in an Apartment complex where only satellites are allowed. Looks like I'm SOL. I've tried amplified antennas with an additional pre-amp and while it sorta helps slightly, it still doesn't get the job done.

You must have missed this part "The rule applies to individuals who place antennas that meet size limitations on property that they own or rent and that is within their exclusive use or control, including condominium owners and cooperative owners, and tenants who have an area where they have exclusive use, such as a balcony or patio, in which to install the antenna. The rule applies to townhomes and manufactured homes, as well as to single family homes."

If you live in an apartment and have a porch or balcony that is under your lease and not common with other units, you can put an outdoor antenna there...not just sat dishes....Apartment owners cannot stop you from placing an outside TV antenna as long as it meets the above requirements...I had a gravel porch at my last apartment..and a Radio Shack antenna on it which took up a lot of room...management tried to make me remove it, I showed them the Federal Law and said, go ahead, try.....Its legal under Federal Law.....wanna really go to court over this???

They didnt bother me again for the 3 years I stayed there (nor did they complain about my DISH mounted (On the inside of the porch fence...worked perfect for the then two DISH birds)...
 
With the popularity of cutting the cord and going to antennas, it would appear we would be further along in technology that would allow for more sophisticated indoor antennas for TV. I know radio and TV work different but still, it just seems like the suggestions are still outdoor bulky antennas (same ones that were used in the 80s). Normally I can't keep up with modern age technology but with TV antennas, I don't think it's progressing fast enough.

Radio and TV are Radio Frequency...just different modes of emission.....but the RF waves are still just that...RF waves...you cannot improve on basic antenna design especially over a wide range of freqs....The V shaped TV antennas actually have a nice feature due to the shape...the V allows a double resonance...on the lower channels and the harmonics..BUT with lack of lowband full power DTVs now (except in a FEW markets), the big antennas are no longer needed....VHF hiband and UHF work well....BUT that could change in the repack coming if ATSC 3.0 can help DTVs on lowband to perform better than they can now....then we may see more stations move back to the lowband channels that were prime territory in analog days because of the coverage...and back to the BIG antennas for those channels....
 
I must note here that the biggest disadvantage of trying to use an indoor antenna for DTV reception at UHF is not signal strength, rather multipath (radio waves echoing). In the day of analog television, multipath was visible, often on the form of "ghosting" (things in the image being "repeated", usually to the right of the actual image), or, in worse cases, the picture would fade out and/or start rolling. In digital TV, if if there is too much multipath (and it does not take much multipath at all), the decoder won't be able to make sense of the numbers and all you'll see is the "no signal" graphic on your TV screen.

With indoor antenna reception, one needs to forget the concept of "range". There are people who live 50 miles from their TV stations who get perfect reception with a small antenna on top of their set in the living room (e.g., by a window, overlooking a large yard, facing the stations), while there are people a mile or less from the local transmitters who haven't a prayer of getting OTA DTV. Using a (pre)ampifier will do NOTHING to alleviate multipath, just as you can't understand anything in a recording of dogs barking, be it from a small transistor radio or a 1,000 watt PA system.

While we're on the subject of "range" - Antenna manufacturers really shouldn't be allowed to quote ranges in their advertising, and consumers should learn to ignore any and all mentions of "range". These figures are chosen arbitrarily, almost always corresponding to the cost of the antenna, as their is no scientific way to quantify the "range" of an antenna. I've seen UHF DTV from 300 miles using an unfurled jumbo paper clip, and analog TV from 1200 miles using just the whip antenna built into one of those 5" B&W sets that were ubiquitous in the 1990s, but anyone who says that one can get useful TV reception (i.e., 98% of the time, not 2% of the time) from 150 miles with their TV antenna is flat out lying.

Once you get to the point of a modest VHF LPY/UHF corner reflector with about a 70" boom (Antennacraft 5884 may be an example - Winegard had better examples, but discontinued them all), any further improvement (longer boom and more elements) becomes incremental, with returns diminishing the further you go. A truly large antenna (e.g. Winegard HD8200) can solve some problems that may be beyond a smaller antenna, but the greater directionality can also cause problems. A station 30° off the beam may come in fine with a smaller antenna, while an 8200 could reject the direct signal from the same station and receive a signal ruined by multipath instead. A rotator, or course, answers that problem, but they can be inconvenient and many newer rotators have reliability issues.

As for your problem 45 miles outside of ATL - all I can say is try to get you indoor antenna somewhere where it is some distance from electronic gadgets, metallic surfaces, and the paths of people, and try different such locations inside the apartment. Oddly, reception may, in some instances, be better in a room facing away from the TV stations than in a room facing them.

One last question: Did you ask the apartment management if they have a master antenna? It used to be almost standard in apartment buildings, and while some apartments removed the master antenna and connected the cables to CATV, some still do have a master antenna (perhaps you should consider moving to an apartment that has one?)
 
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This may sound like a dumb question, but it has happened many times........... Did you run a scan on the TV or converter?
Many people who say they get "no channels" have not scanned for them, assuming it's just like the old analog days.

Try looking for any traces of an analog signal, using the analog set and antenna. Often, there are a couple of old low-power analog stations still broadcasting from various common transmission sites. Once you get the signal from them "as good as it gets", then try scanning for digital signals. The TV has to "learn" the stations, by scanning for their hidden data "directory" or "index", that tells the set how to receive them and put the pictures and sound back together.
 
This may sound like a dumb question, but it has happened many times........... Did you run a scan on the TV or converter?
Many people who say they get "no channels" have not scanned for them, assuming it's just like the old analog days.

Try looking for any traces of an analog signal, using the analog set and antenna. Often, there are a couple of old low-power analog stations still broadcasting from various common transmission sites. Once you get the signal from them "as good as it gets", then try scanning for digital signals. The TV has to "learn" the stations, by scanning for their hidden data "directory" or "index", that tells the set how to receive them and put the pictures and sound back together.

Indoor antennas simply put don't work as well as outdoor antennas. Sure reception can vary room to room but an Outdoor antenna will almost always do better ( unless in a mile of TV transmitters when they can over power an outdoor antenna. I recommend The HD Stacker for Denny's Antenna service.
 
Indoor antennas simply put don't work as well as outdoor antennas. Sure reception can vary room to room but an Outdoor antenna will almost always do better ( unless in a mile of TV transmitters when they can over power an outdoor antenna. I recommend The HD Stacker for Denny's Antenna service.

I've used the Terk indoor antenna mentioned about and it helped for a few UHF HD stations but you're best at that distance (40+ miles) is something outdoor and directional.

I'm 40+ miles out from our broadcast site in Sacramento and I didn't have anything stable until I went with something outdoor.
 
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