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KQIE. 104.7 flips to Rhythmic oldies

And is L.A. going to have a rhythmic oldies station soon. Time will tell.

James, let me tell you what rarely -- if ever -- happens.

A station drops a format (Hot 92.3 as the most recent example) and another station in the market picks that format up.

This is especially true when a major player like iHeart is involved, as the competitors presume the dropped format has some deficiency, even if not immediately apparent, and will avoid the risk.

If the format resurfaces, it won't be soon and it will be because the hole proved too large an unfilled one. In a market like L.A. where all the viable signals are owned by major players, no one moves hastily.
 
http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/91971/kqie-restores-old-school-to-inland-empire/

Yes the I.E. Riverside-San Bernardino market now has an old school station.
Will this affect KOLA. In any way?
And is L.A. going to have a rhythmic oldies station soon. Time will tell.


I don't think the "Rock 40" style of KOLA's classic hits will be at all affected by a throwback station playing joints from the last 15-20 years.

On the other hand, the demise of Hot might present an opportunity for the poorly performing KTWV to become a bit more rhythmic and recent in its library. As KTWV has been somewhere between 21st and 24th in 25-54 in the last five or 6 books, they may see an opportunity here to pick up a significant group of the KHHT ex-listeners. I would not see them going all the way to adding Art Laboe or becoming a new format, though.
 
Thanks K.M.


1 thing I wanted to point out is. Point broadcasting isn't taking their format flip seriously. They flipped format but still have their old Web page up. This new format "might" prove to be a competitor to KOLA. If done right.
 


On the other hand, the demise of Hot might present an opportunity for the poorly performing KTWV to become a bit more rhythmic and recent in its library. As KTWV has been somewhere between 21st and 24th in 25-54 in the last five or 6 books, they may see an opportunity here to pick up a significant group of the KHHT ex-listeners. I would not see them going all the way to adding Art Laboe or becoming a new format, though.

Good observation
David. Thanks
 
I just went to the station's website at http://kqie1047.com/ and the Q104.7 logo is still up. I went to http://tunein.com/radio/Old-School-1047-s32276/ and the new branding of "Old School 104.7" is there...but the site says "No streams available." I can't hear the station in Glendale. What are they playing? Is the playlist any different from that of the old Mega 100 Jammin' Oldies format?

KTWV could indeed pick up the format in Los Angeles and play more ballads and 1990s-2000s hits along with the usual '70s-'80s.
 
KTWV is ranked between 21st and 24th in the 25 to 54 year old demo. That's a sad state to be in. I don't even think they are in the top 10 for billing. Which is where you want to be.

I know for sure.

KIIS.
KPWR.
KRTH.
KBIG.
And KLOS. Are some of the biggest billers in LA.
 
KIIS.
KPWR.
KRTH.
KBIG.
And KLOS. Are some of the biggest billers in LA.

The top billers are, in order (based on 2013. Last year's numbers not yet out):

------------> Above $50 million
KIIS
------------> Above $40 million
KBIG
KROQ
------------> Above $30 million
KFI
KPWR
KOST
KLVE
KNX
KAMP
------------> Above $20 million
KBUE
KSPN
KCBS
KSCA
KRTH
KLAX
KHHT
------------> Above $10 million
KTWV
KYSR
KLOS
KLAC
KRCD
KKLA
KKGO
KLYY
KSWD
 
I know for sure.

KIIS.
KPWR.
KRTH.
KBIG.
And KLOS. Are some of the biggest billers in LA.

I guess that "for sure" depends on your definition of "biggest" where KRTH and KLOS are concerned.

However, it does not appear that anything tried on KTWV has been working. The numbers remain down and the billing is anemic even compared to a few years ago. I don't think CBS is going to suddenly adopt a format iHeart just dropped, though, for reasons previously stated.

My personal opinion about 94.7 is that CBS tried to make changes while holding on to the heritage "Wave" branding, which probably kept a lot of people from even sampling the changes.
 
I just went to the station's website at http://kqie1047.com/ and the Q104.7 logo is still up. I went to http://tunein.com/radio/Old-School-1047-s32276/ and the new branding of "Old School 104.7" is there...but the site says "No streams available." I can't hear the station in Glendale. What are they playing? Is the playlist any different from that of the old Mega 100 Jammin' Oldies format?

KTWV could indeed pick up the format in Los Angeles and play more ballads and 1990s-2000s hits along with the usual '70s-'80s.


Heard it on the way home from work (Rancho Cucamonga) and heard songs I haven't heard in ages: "One Way Love" TKA, "I Like The Way" High 5, "Touch It" Monifah, and the usual old school like "Sexual Healing" and Prince. Don't know if Hot 92 played those songs. Station fades out into Q104.7 by the time I get to my house in North Azusa.
 
Just curious, why was classic r&B/hip hop an untouched format for so long? Was this a format that wouldn't have worked 5 or 10 years ago?
 
James, let me tell you what rarely -- if ever -- happens.

A station drops a format (Hot 92.3 as the most recent example) and another station in the market picks that format up.

This is especially true when a major player like iHeart is involved, as the competitors presume the dropped format has some deficiency, even if not immediately apparent, and will avoid the risk.

If the format resurfaces, it won't be soon and it will be because the hole proved too large an unfilled one. In a market like L.A. where all the viable signals are owned by major players, no one moves hastily.

Not necessarily true ... KHHT (in all its incarnations) has been around almost 20 years. Unfortunately, it was station #6 in an 8 station cluster. A lot of major market clusters have these stations. KHHT hadn't had pricey air talent and billed in the low 20's.. not KIIS, KBIG, or KOST but also not dwindling like KLOS and doing almost double KSWD and KKGO.

KLOS used to bill $32-$35 million and the numbers I'm hearing are $18 million with KSWD around $10-$12 million. Under $20 million for any Mt. Wilson stick with any kind of talent expense.

Looking at the demographics of L.A., I'd put my stock on Rhythmic Oldies/AC over Classic Rock if I was hoping for a 10 year return, but that's me.

Again, wasn't the top station in that group (a very good one).

iHeart had 5 FM's to play with and felt Urban was a better cluster play for them at this time. But as David noted, KHHT outbills KYSR - but KYSR has made inroads on KROQ ratings wise.

Bonneville blew up their Adult Hits station in Phoenix to protect against someone going FM sports. iHeart picked up the format and went top 5 25-54. No one was afraid to grab that one.

There are so many stations well under $20 million.
 
Nice to see you here again, Anthony, and thanks for the examples of the rare occasions where flips to newly-created format holes happened. (Never say "never", right?)

Having known you for a long time and respecting your opinion, I'd like to hear your thoughts as to why iHeart made the move they have against Power.
 
Many years ago, in Bakersfield CA, Buck Owens had the #1 station(AM Country)and #2(FM CHR). Wanting to protect the AM format, he began simulcasting it on what was the #2 station. The result was that another company switched calls and format to that of his former CHR and the same two stations were ranked #1 and #2.
 
James, let me tell you what rarely -- if ever -- happens.

A station drops a format (Hot 92.3 as the most recent example) and another station in the market picks that format up.

This is especially true when a major player like iHeart is involved, as the competitors presume the dropped format has some deficiency, even if not immediately apparent, and will avoid the risk.

If the format resurfaces, it won't be soon and it will be because the hole proved too large an unfilled one. In a market like L.A. where all the viable signals are owned by major players, no one moves hastily.

I can't agree with this perspective as I have read many contrary views that suggest a station serving LA is set to flip to the rhythmic oldies in just a matter of weeks.
But thanks for the viewpoint.

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Our opinions are just that; opinions. A sign of maturity is respecting and allowing others to disagree.
 
Heard it on the way home from work (Rancho Cucamonga) and heard songs I haven't heard in ages: "One Way Love" TKA, "I Like The Way" High 5, "Touch It" Monifah, and the usual old school like "Sexual Healing" and Prince. Don't know if Hot 92 played those songs. Station fades out into Q104.7 by the time I get to my house in North Azusa.


KHHT used to play "Sexual Healing", Hi-Five's "I Like The Way (Kissing Game)" and Prince's old hits regularly. As for Monifah "Touch It", I hear that on KDAY and KGGI. 92.3 hasn't played "Touch It" regularly since 1998 when they were The Beat. That's from my analysis.
 
Does anyone from that area know, has the parent station KCAQ in Ventura flipped to the "Old School" format? I heard a promo for Monday's "Rico and Mambo" show, promoting the "new home of Old School" on the IE station, so at least that show survives the flip.
 
Does anyone from that area know, has the parent station KCAQ in Ventura flipped to the "Old School" format? I heard a promo for Monday's "Rico and Mambo" show, promoting the "new home of Old School" on the IE station, so at least that show survives the flip.

Ventura has Old School 95.9fm. Rico and Mambo are afternoon djs on that Station. I'm guessing they will be on afternoons on KQIE 104.7Fm.
 
Does anyone from that area know, has the parent station KCAQ in Ventura flipped to the "Old School" format? I heard a promo for Monday's "Rico and Mambo" show, promoting the "new home of Old School" on the IE station, so at least that show survives the flip.

They don't need to. Co-owned KOCP/95.9 already runs that format in the Oxnard-Ventura market.
 
Wasn't the flip of KHHT from Rhythmic Oldies to Urban Contemporary prompted by iHeart's hiring Big Boy? They figured he's an important enough LA radio personality that they'd take their least performing FM and build a new Urban station around him. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Perhaps if Big Boy weren't available, KHHT would have gone on as Rhythmic Oldies, earning $20-something million per year, as David tells us.

The format seems to be successful in other West Coast markets as a draw for Latina women in their 40s. For a short time, San Diego had three stations in the format, XHRM, KSSX and KIFM, although KIFM is now Very Soft AC. While KSSX isn't doing that great, XHRM is always top 10, year after year. (KSSX leans more Rhythmic, while XHRM leans more Pop.) KISQ is often around #10 in San Francisco and the same is true for KHYL Sacramento.

And isn't KTWV almost a Rhythmic Oldies station with an occasional Smooth Jazz instrumental? About 80% of The Wave playlist are songs that would fit on a Rhythmic Oldies station. The difference is most of those same songs were vocals we heard on The Wave when it was Smooth Jazz: Sade, Luther Vandross, Anita Baker, Whitney Houston, Lionel Richie. I suppose a true Rhythmic Oldies station would play more titles that never crossed over to the pop charts, while nearly all vocals on The Wave did.
 
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